Console: Should text chat be implemented with the IC patch?

Asherons_Call · September 2015

Yes

King Bozo wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.

So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?

Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.

Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.

The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.

Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.

Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.

Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.

Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.

Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.

Respectfully sir your comments are not representative on how this polls results work/convey thoughts for this feature nor are the percentages you're referring to accurate for what you're suggesting it conveys.

Your interpretation of partial forum participation and segmented results will lead to arguments and debates in this thread based on the logic and math you're using. That goes against discussing a feature to be added after the company has already decided against it and responded to earlier community feedback as no.

This thread as a whole:

-The poll is not a deciding factor at all as the feature was scrapped in early development by ZOS and is if no influence of the community nor do they plan to add it based on their comments on ESO live
-The poll isn't a discussion that ZOS is willing to consider a change based on what ZOS has told the community in the past and recent as of three weeks.
-The poll results are only that of a segment of active forum users.
-The poll lacks participation from most console active players
-The entire forum population who sees the thread is less than most active players regardless of platform
-The results are skewed in regards to console as PC and console have voted where some are inactive or not on the platforms of discussion.
-The poll conveys a tone from a user who has not and does not participate in the forums who hoped to ask ZOS for a feature prior to understanding why it's not on console.
-The poll is a collection of ideas from many other closed threads where the feature is the only relatable topic but implementation and functionality are lost in other threads
-The poll carries some past aggression from closed threads where a user may vote in opposition to an emotion between one user and another but where the topic is of no concern

All of this to my suggestion....let's all work together on any side pro/for or indifferent to the feature in order to think-tank towards something that fits what ZOS intends as well as offering some convenience and options for all.

Maybe even start with strategic questions to ZOS on ask us anything in order to pave a path to lay ideas and strategy in hopes to move past random comments of why/why not any person may desire or want this feature.

That's the help I can offer.

So you work for ZOS?

I've been thinking this about him and a couple of others for a while now. There has to be some type of vested interest here or they wouldn't bother to "prove their point" for months on end.

Siniztor · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

You keep saying console wants to play a mmo like pc dose...No..I just wanna play a mmorpg like a mmorpg has been played for as long as i can remeber..just because console now has the hardware to play them on..dosen't make it some alien type of play style... i miss LFG WTS /whisper..and belive me other consoles have basic mmorpg things like text..

Everyone in this thread knows your stance..you have text on your pc account and dont want it on your console account..fine..but to try and make console a differnt type of play style really?? i remember pre wow (only reason i use wow is most think it was the first mmo lol) people useing consolers on pc. and now deal old pc is getting controller IN game suport..since most who use them now have been useing 3rd party aps for there controllers

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

You keep saying console wants to play a mmo like pc dose...No..I just wanna play a mmorpg like a mmorpg has been played for as long as i can remeber..just because console now has the hardware to play them on..dosen't make it some alien type of play style... i miss LFG WTS /whisper..and belive me other consoles have basic mmorpg things like text..

Everyone in this thread knows your stance..you have text on your pc account and dont want it on your console account..fine..but to try and make console a differnt type of play style really?? i remember pre wow (only reason i use wow is most think it was the first mmo lol) people useing consolers on pc. and now deal old pc is getting controller IN game suport..since most who use them now have been useing 3rd party aps for there controllers

Again this isn't nor should it be a your idea vs another users idea.
If the goal is to get a feature request considered

If anyone followed the game pre-2013 and read the companies thoughts when there were conversations around the release of each console and concerns from the console community noted by ZOS such as subs, no voice support, bars full of skills resembling an MMO and not TES and overal players experience in the TES vs XYZ MMO.

That's what this is about...follow the companies info first and then let's discuss here what makes sense overall.

mrskinskull · September 2015

No

Asherons_Call wrote: »

King Bozo wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.

So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?

Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.

Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.

The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.

Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.

Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.

Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.

Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.

Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.

Respectfully sir your comments are not representative on how this polls results work/convey thoughts for this feature nor are the percentages you're referring to accurate for what you're suggesting it conveys.

Your interpretation of partial forum participation and segmented results will lead to arguments and debates in this thread based on the logic and math you're using. That goes against discussing a feature to be added after the company has already decided against it and responded to earlier community feedback as no.

This thread as a whole:

-The poll is not a deciding factor at all as the feature was scrapped in early development by ZOS and is if no influence of the community nor do they plan to add it based on their comments on ESO live
-The poll isn't a discussion that ZOS is willing to consider a change based on what ZOS has told the community in the past and recent as of three weeks.
-The poll results are only that of a segment of active forum users.
-The poll lacks participation from most console active players
-The entire forum population who sees the thread is less than most active players regardless of platform
-The results are skewed in regards to console as PC and console have voted where some are inactive or not on the platforms of discussion.
-The poll conveys a tone from a user who has not and does not participate in the forums who hoped to ask ZOS for a feature prior to understanding why it's not on console.
-The poll is a collection of ideas from many other closed threads where the feature is the only relatable topic but implementation and functionality are lost in other threads
-The poll carries some past aggression from closed threads where a user may vote in opposition to an emotion between one user and another but where the topic is of no concern

All of this to my suggestion....let's all work together on any side pro/for or indifferent to the feature in order to think-tank towards something that fits what ZOS intends as well as offering some convenience and options for all.

Maybe even start with strategic questions to ZOS on ask us anything in order to pave a path to lay ideas and strategy in hopes to move past random comments of why/why not any person may desire or want this feature.

That's the help I can offer.

So you work for ZOS?

I've been thinking this about him and a couple of others for a while now. There has to be some type of vested interest here or they wouldn't bother to "prove their point" for months on end.

What if we are simply trying to help a minority of players to find peace with just playing the game with way it was designed , just like 99 percent of the actual console player base is doing.

Text chat will not be implemented in the imperial city.
It should not be anywhere ahead of stability for PvP and stability for new content or even new content.

That is the actual topic. So please stay focused on the topic.
Text chat in the imperial city update.

This will never happen.

Cheers.

Siniztor · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

You keep saying console wants to play a mmo like pc dose...No..I just wanna play a mmorpg like a mmorpg has been played for as long as i can remeber..just because console now has the hardware to play them on..dosen't make it some alien type of play style... i miss LFG WTS /whisper..and belive me other consoles have basic mmorpg things like text..

Everyone in this thread knows your stance..you have text on your pc account and dont want it on your console account..fine..but to try and make console a differnt type of play style really?? i remember pre wow (only reason i use wow is most think it was the first mmo lol) people useing consolers on pc. and now deal old pc is getting controller IN game suport..since most who use them now have been useing 3rd party aps for there controllers

Again this isn't nor should it be a your idea vs another users idea.
If the goal is to get a feature request considered

If anyone followed the game pre-2013 and read the companies thoughts when there were conversations around the release of each console and concerns from the console community noted by ZOS such as subs, no voice support, bars full of skills resembling an MMO and not TES and overal players experience in the TES vs XYZ MMO.

That's what this is about...follow the companies info first and then let's discuss here what makes sense overall.

i was replying to one line in your post ive seen you use over and over ...that console wants to play a mmo like pc..your breaking it down to zos on xyz machine vs zos on zyx machine

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

You keep saying console wants to play a mmo like pc dose...No..I just wanna play a mmorpg like a mmorpg has been played for as long as i can remeber..just because console now has the hardware to play them on..dosen't make it some alien type of play style... i miss LFG WTS /whisper..and belive me other consoles have basic mmorpg things like text..

Everyone in this thread knows your stance..you have text on your pc account and dont want it on your console account..fine..but to try and make console a differnt type of play style really?? i remember pre wow (only reason i use wow is most think it was the first mmo lol) people useing consolers on pc. and now deal old pc is getting controller IN game suport..since most who use them now have been useing 3rd party aps for there controllers

Again this isn't nor should it be a your idea vs another users idea.
If the goal is to get a feature request considered

If anyone followed the game pre-2013 and read the companies thoughts when there were conversations around the release of each console and concerns from the console community noted by ZOS such as subs, no voice support, bars full of skills resembling an MMO and not TES and overal players experience in the TES vs XYZ MMO.

That's what this is about...follow the companies info first and then let's discuss here what makes sense overall.

i was replying to one line in your post ive seen you use over and over ...that console wants to play a mmo like pc..your breaking it down to zos on xyz machine vs zos on zyx machine

I understand exactly what you're replying to which is the purpose of the rest of the comments surrounding pre-2013. The whole point of this game was to NOT be like those other MMoRPGs on console.

Siniztor · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

You keep saying console wants to play a mmo like pc dose...No..I just wanna play a mmorpg like a mmorpg has been played for as long as i can remeber..just because console now has the hardware to play them on..dosen't make it some alien type of play style... i miss LFG WTS /whisper..and belive me other consoles have basic mmorpg things like text..

Everyone in this thread knows your stance..you have text on your pc account and dont want it on your console account..fine..but to try and make console a differnt type of play style really?? i remember pre wow (only reason i use wow is most think it was the first mmo lol) people useing consolers on pc. and now deal old pc is getting controller IN game suport..since most who use them now have been useing 3rd party aps for there controllers

Again this isn't nor should it be a your idea vs another users idea.
If the goal is to get a feature request considered

If anyone followed the game pre-2013 and read the companies thoughts when there were conversations around the release of each console and concerns from the console community noted by ZOS such as subs, no voice support, bars full of skills resembling an MMO and not TES and overal players experience in the TES vs XYZ MMO.

That's what this is about...follow the companies info first and then let's discuss here what makes sense overall.

i was replying to one line in your post ive seen you use over and over ...that console wants to play a mmo like pc..your breaking it down to zos on xyz machine vs zos on zyx machine

I understand exactly what you're replying to which is the purpose of the rest of the comments surrounding pre-2013

i never knew they opened the fourms for console feed back..back then cause lord knows many of us wanted to comment up till launch this year but with no actvation code you couldnt voice your opion on one of the many 70% polls that wanted text chat

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

You keep saying console wants to play a mmo like pc dose...No..I just wanna play a mmorpg like a mmorpg has been played for as long as i can remeber..just because console now has the hardware to play them on..dosen't make it some alien type of play style... i miss LFG WTS /whisper..and belive me other consoles have basic mmorpg things like text..

Everyone in this thread knows your stance..you have text on your pc account and dont want it on your console account..fine..but to try and make console a differnt type of play style really?? i remember pre wow (only reason i use wow is most think it was the first mmo lol) people useing consolers on pc. and now deal old pc is getting controller IN game suport..since most who use them now have been useing 3rd party aps for there controllers

Again this isn't nor should it be a your idea vs another users idea.
If the goal is to get a feature request considered

If anyone followed the game pre-2013 and read the companies thoughts when there were conversations around the release of each console and concerns from the console community noted by ZOS such as subs, no voice support, bars full of skills resembling an MMO and not TES and overal players experience in the TES vs XYZ MMO.

That's what this is about...follow the companies info first and then let's discuss here what makes sense overall.

i was replying to one line in your post ive seen you use over and over ...that console wants to play a mmo like pc..your breaking it down to zos on xyz machine vs zos on zyx machine

I understand exactly what you're replying to which is the purpose of the rest of the comments surrounding pre-2013

i never knew they opened the fourms for console feed back..back then cause lord knows many of us wanted to comment up till launch this year but with no actvation code you couldnt voice your opion on one of the many 70% polls that wanted text chat

It wasn't forum feedback on this site.
Please go back and read things like this: http://www.pcgamer.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-everything-you-need-to-know/

This is an overall article non platform specific in which it specifically reads:

Player vs. Environment
Unlike the single player Elder Scrolls games, The Elder Scrolls online will use an MMO style hotbar, but with a twist. The UI will be minimal , with players taking their queues from animations and other in world hints instead of a wall of text. Lead gameplay designer Nick Konkle told us he wants to "Look at the world, not at my hotbar".
In our Elder Scrolls Online combat overview we learnt that abilities will work in a similar fashion to Guild Wars 2. You have six abilities, the first two are based on your weapon, the next three on your class and the final one is an 'ultimate' ability, extremely powerful, but you can only ever use one at once. Any class can use any weapon, so a Mage can carry a sword, and the more people he stabs, the better he'll get at it. The idea is to let you craft your own playing style from a wide range of options.

In our Elder Scrolls Online interview we learnt that the combat will be built around co-operative 'synergy' moves. Player attacks will spark effects that other players can exploit to create a bigger, flashier and more damaging attack.
Despite the MMO trappings, familiar elements from the single player Elder Scrolls games will be present. These include guilds, including the Mages Guild, and birthsigns. Skyrim allows players to switch birthsigns on the fly, and we don't yet know whether The Elder Scrolls Online will go with this system or opt for the previous, chosen-at-character-creation model for assigning bonuses.

There are a lot of articles with really good info that follow the old and yet existing goal this company intends to provide.
Frame these things and ESO live or recorded interviews on this site and continue the discussion with the right frame of mind.

It should be a win-win for all within what ZOS intends. That's the purpose of my involvement

Asherons_Call · September 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

King Bozo wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.

So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?

Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.

Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.

The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.

Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.

Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.

Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.

Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.

Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.

Respectfully sir your comments are not representative on how this polls results work/convey thoughts for this feature nor are the percentages you're referring to accurate for what you're suggesting it conveys.

Your interpretation of partial forum participation and segmented results will lead to arguments and debates in this thread based on the logic and math you're using. That goes against discussing a feature to be added after the company has already decided against it and responded to earlier community feedback as no.

This thread as a whole:

-The poll is not a deciding factor at all as the feature was scrapped in early development by ZOS and is if no influence of the community nor do they plan to add it based on their comments on ESO live
-The poll isn't a discussion that ZOS is willing to consider a change based on what ZOS has told the community in the past and recent as of three weeks.
-The poll results are only that of a segment of active forum users.
-The poll lacks participation from most console active players
-The entire forum population who sees the thread is less than most active players regardless of platform
-The results are skewed in regards to console as PC and console have voted where some are inactive or not on the platforms of discussion.
-The poll conveys a tone from a user who has not and does not participate in the forums who hoped to ask ZOS for a feature prior to understanding why it's not on console.
-The poll is a collection of ideas from many other closed threads where the feature is the only relatable topic but implementation and functionality are lost in other threads
-The poll carries some past aggression from closed threads where a user may vote in opposition to an emotion between one user and another but where the topic is of no concern

All of this to my suggestion....let's all work together on any side pro/for or indifferent to the feature in order to think-tank towards something that fits what ZOS intends as well as offering some convenience and options for all.

Maybe even start with strategic questions to ZOS on ask us anything in order to pave a path to lay ideas and strategy in hopes to move past random comments of why/why not any person may desire or want this feature.

That's the help I can offer.

So you work for ZOS?

I've been thinking this about him and a couple of others for a while now. There has to be some type of vested interest here or they wouldn't bother to "prove their point" for months on end.

What if we are simply trying to help a minority of players to find peace with just playing the game with way it was designed , just like 99 percent of the actual console player base is doing.

Text chat will not be implemented in the imperial city.
It should not be anywhere ahead of stability for PvP and stability for new content or even new content.

That is the actual topic. So please stay focused on the topic.
Text chat in the imperial city update.

This will never happen.

Cheers.

Stopped reading at "a minority of players" and laughed

dday3six · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Siniztor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

You keep saying console wants to play a mmo like pc dose...No..I just wanna play a mmorpg like a mmorpg has been played for as long as i can remeber..just because console now has the hardware to play them on..dosen't make it some alien type of play style... i miss LFG WTS /whisper..and belive me other consoles have basic mmorpg things like text..

Everyone in this thread knows your stance..you have text on your pc account and dont want it on your console account..fine..but to try and make console a differnt type of play style really?? i remember pre wow (only reason i use wow is most think it was the first mmo lol) people useing consolers on pc. and now deal old pc is getting controller IN game suport..since most who use them now have been useing 3rd party aps for there controllers

Again this isn't nor should it be a your idea vs another users idea.
If the goal is to get a feature request considered

If anyone followed the game pre-2013 and read the companies thoughts when there were conversations around the release of each console and concerns from the console community noted by ZOS such as subs, no voice support, bars full of skills resembling an MMO and not TES and overal players experience in the TES vs XYZ MMO.

That's what this is about...follow the companies info first and then let's discuss here what makes sense overall.

i was replying to one line in your post ive seen you use over and over ...that console wants to play a mmo like pc..your breaking it down to zos on xyz machine vs zos on zyx machine

I understand exactly what you're replying to which is the purpose of the rest of the comments surrounding pre-2013

i never knew they opened the fourms for console feed back..back then cause lord knows many of us wanted to comment up till launch this year but with no actvation code you couldnt voice your opion on one of the many 70% polls that wanted text chat

It wasn't forum feedback on this site.
Please go back and read things like this: http://www.pcgamer.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-everything-you-need-to-know/

This is an overall article non platform specific in which it specifically reads:

Player vs. Environment
Unlike the single player Elder Scrolls games, The Elder Scrolls online will use an MMO style hotbar, but with a twist. The UI will be minimal , with players taking their queues from animations and other in world hints instead of a wall of text. Lead gameplay designer Nick Konkle told us he wants to "Look at the world, not at my hotbar".
In our Elder Scrolls Online combat overview we learnt that abilities will work in a similar fashion to Guild Wars 2. You have six abilities, the first two are based on your weapon, the next three on your class and the final one is an 'ultimate' ability, extremely powerful, but you can only ever use one at once. Any class can use any weapon, so a Mage can carry a sword, and the more people he stabs, the better he'll get at it. The idea is to let you craft your own playing style from a wide range of options.

In our Elder Scrolls Online interview we learnt that the combat will be built around co-operative 'synergy' moves. Player attacks will spark effects that other players can exploit to create a bigger, flashier and more damaging attack.
Despite the MMO trappings, familiar elements from the single player Elder Scrolls games will be present. These include guilds, including the Mages Guild, and birthsigns. Skyrim allows players to switch birthsigns on the fly, and we don't yet know whether The Elder Scrolls Online will go with this system or opt for the previous, chosen-at-character-creation model for assigning bonuses.

There are a lot of articles with really good info that follow the old and yet existing goal this company intends to provide.
Frame these things and ESO live or recorded interviews on this site and continue the discussion with the right frame of mind.

It should be a win-win for all within what ZOS intends. That's the purpose of my involvement

So the lead gameplay designer has not changed and ZOS is not planning to update the combat UI to display more infomation? The intital direction of a game never changes after release either?

Ace_of_Destiny · September 2015

Yes

...

We (forums users) can only have ONE thread about THIS topic.
But, there can be a hundred about VR/CP whining.
This makes sense how?
(Not really asking for a reason...as they (Zos-Mods) are more than happy to give the form-letter reply to each and every one...even though they cannot be bothered to ever actually reply to ANY of the threads on the topic.)

We can't start a new Text Thread since this one is still open...even though NOBODY ever actually expected text to be added by the time IC got released.

Can the original poster of this thread either change the name of the thread, or ask that it just gets closed?

And, can ZOS please put a poll on the login screen IN THE GAME asking for player opinions on the top subjects asked about in the forums...including this one?

I am already stopping my subscription to the game due to Zos doing even less than the "bare-minimum" with regards to replying to it's customers.
Now I am just wasting time with ESO until Fallout 4 comes out.
Which makes me very sad.
I love ESO...but ZOS does not seem to.

mrskinskull · September 2015

No

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

...

We (forums users) can only have ONE thread about THIS topic.
But, there can be a hundred about VR/CP whining.
This makes sense how?
(Not really asking for a reason...as they (Zos-Mods) are more than happy to give the form-letter reply to each and every one...even though they cannot be bothered to ever actually reply to ANY of the threads on the topic.)

We can't start a new Text Thread since this one is still open...even though NOBODY ever actually expected text to be added by the time IC got released.

Can the original poster of this thread either change the name of the thread, or ask that it just gets closed?

And, can ZOS please put a poll on the login screen IN THE GAME asking for player opinions on the top subjects asked about in the forums...including this one?

I am already stopping my subscription to the game due to Zos doing even less than the "bare-minimum" with regards to replying to it's customers.
Now I am just wasting time with ESO until Fallout 4 comes out.
Which makes me very sad.
I love ESO...but ZOS does not seem to.

Why not just play it then?

If you love it, play it.

No game exists without warts, everyone else is playing this game without text chat just fine,

Don't let one minor feature stop your fun, nobody else is bothered.
Its not that you can't, everyone else is.

Its that you won't. And thats your choice.
IMO, its a mistake to lose out on a great game that you 'love'.
I saw your attempt to start a specific text chat thread and it was shut down and redirected here.

That is as much confirmation as you are going to get that its not going to happen.

Redirectign all the comment s here allows the small number of posters who favor keyboards, to be quietly and easily ignored.
We all see it, ace you must see it now.

Smurf has seen it right from the beginning and has been trying to help turn the sad frustration here into something that meets your needs and fits with the vision of the game.
My advice is just play the game. You already paid for it.
For every hardcore sub that threatens to walk off, there are hundreds of casuals buying skyrim lite.

You may as well play, make some friends and before you know it, you will realise you don't really need text.

Tholian1 · September 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

...

We (forums users) can only have ONE thread about THIS topic.
But, there can be a hundred about VR/CP whining.
This makes sense how?
(Not really asking for a reason...as they (Zos-Mods) are more than happy to give the form-letter reply to each and every one...even though they cannot be bothered to ever actually reply to ANY of the threads on the topic.)

We can't start a new Text Thread since this one is still open...even though NOBODY ever actually expected text to be added by the time IC got released.

Can the original poster of this thread either change the name of the thread, or ask that it just gets closed?

And, can ZOS please put a poll on the login screen IN THE GAME asking for player opinions on the top subjects asked about in the forums...including this one?

I am already stopping my subscription to the game due to Zos doing even less than the "bare-minimum" with regards to replying to it's customers.
Now I am just wasting time with ESO until Fallout 4 comes out.
Which makes me very sad.
I love ESO...but ZOS does not seem to.

Why not just play it then?

If you love it, play it.

No game exists without warts, everyone else is playing this game without text chat just fine,

Don't let one minor feature stop your fun, nobody else is bothered.
Its not that you can't, everyone else is.

Its that you won't. And thats your choice.
IMO, its a mistake to lose out on a great game that you 'love'.
I saw your attempt to start a specific text chat thread and it was shut down and redirected here.

That is as much confirmation as you are going to get that its not going to happen.

Redirectign all the comment s here allows the small number of posters who favor keyboards, to be quietly and easily ignored.
We all see it, ace you must see it now.

Smurf has seen it right from the beginning and has been trying to help turn the sad frustration here into something that meets your needs and fits with the vision of the game.
My advice is just play the game. You already paid for it.
For every hardcore sub that threatens to walk off, there are hundreds of casuals buying skyrim lite.

You may as well play, make some friends and before you know it, you will realise you don't really need text.

What exactly is your purpose in this thread? I realize you have no use for text chat and have made that clear. Others do have a use for it and do in fact need it to use the game to its potential. You will not convince me I don't need it, because I know what I need and don't need. You are not playing for me. This whole "vision of the game" argument is nonsense. No one is playing the original vision of the game today. It is always changing and not set in stone.

We are asking for ZOS to give us more complete communications options, you however, are trying to convince us we don't need it. You have voice chat and enjoy it. Why not go and use it and leave us be. You aren't helping us, no matter how much you have convinced yourself that you are.

We want text chat as an option. If you don't need it, then why are you wasting your time here?

I am not in your Hunger as a game mechanic thread trying to convince you not to want it. I made my comment and moved on because it is not important to me.

dday3six · September 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

What if we are simply trying to help a minority of players to find peace with just playing the game with way it was designed , just like 99 percent of the actual console player base is doing.

Text chat will not be implemented in the imperial city.
It should not be anywhere ahead of stability for PvP and stability for new content or even new content.

That is the actual topic. So please stay focused on the topic.
Text chat in the imperial city update.

This will never happen.

Cheers.

From my experience it seems the majority of players on PS4 are playing PVP. Yet the majority of game content is PVE. So are players doing the content as it was designed at that point? Or perhaps are they running the content that is more easily supported by voice chat.

Voice Chat could work similarly in PVE like in PVP if players would congregate in a central location. However because trading is not centralized in a static locale, players don't have a reason to mass in one location. Because of this if a player is looking for players to run PVE content they have to bounce around from one location to the next. Often in areas that have no connection to the content they are looking to run. In no way is this efficient.

If the majority of your time in game is spent in PVP. Clearly you are going to be insulated from seeing issues in PVE.

While Text Chat is not going to be put in with IC. There is no way to say it will never be added at some point. Some players certainly didn't think ESO would go FTP/BTP with a cash shop. Yet it did. Some players said there would never be scrolling combat text and effect trackers in game. Yet ZOS are adding them in at a later date.

mrskinskull · September 2015

No

dday3six wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

What if we are simply trying to help a minority of players to find peace with just playing the game with way it was designed , just like 99 percent of the actual console player base is doing.

Text chat will not be implemented in the imperial city.
It should not be anywhere ahead of stability for PvP and stability for new content or even new content.

That is the actual topic. So please stay focused on the topic.
Text chat in the imperial city update.

This will never happen.

Cheers.

From my experience it seems the majority of players on PS4 are playing PVP. Yet the majority of game content is PVE. So are players doing the content as it was designed at that point? Or perhaps are they running the content that is more easily supported by voice chat.

Voice Chat could work similarly in PVE like in PVP if players would congregate in a central location. However because trading is not centralized in a static locale, players don't have a reason to mass in one location. Because of this if a player is looking for players to run PVE content they have to bounce around from one location to the next. Often in areas that have no connection to the content they are looking to run. In no way is this efficient.

If the majority of your time in game is spent in PVP. Clearly you are going to be insulated from seeing issues in PVE.

While Text Chat is not going to be put in with IC. There is no way to say it will never be added at some point. Some players certainly didn't think ESO would go FTP/BTP with a cash shop. Yet it did. Some players said there would never be scrolling combat text and effect trackers in game. Yet ZOS are adding them in at a later date.

Players do congregate for pve dungeons, if you go to the undaunted challenge place, you could get a pick up group in minutes especially since everyone is running the same dailies.
Most of those guys will guild up with you if you even hint at interest.

Glad I could help!

Happy gaming.

Glorious_One · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.

So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?

Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.

Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.

The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.

Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.

Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.

Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.

Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.

Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.

Respectfully sir your comments are not representative on how this polls results work/convey thoughts for this feature nor are the percentages you're referring to accurate for what you're suggesting it conveys.

Your interpretation of partial forum participation and segmented results will lead to arguments and debates in this thread based on the logic and math you're using. That goes against discussing a feature to be added after the company has already decided against it and responded to earlier community feedback as no.

This thread as a whole:

-The poll is not a deciding factor at all as the feature was scrapped in early development by ZOS and is if no influence of the community nor do they plan to add it based on their comments on ESO live
-The poll isn't a discussion that ZOS is willing to consider a change based on what ZOS has told the community in the past and recent as of three weeks.
-The poll results are only that of a segment of active forum users.
-The poll lacks participation from most console active players
-The entire forum population who sees the thread is less than most active players regardless of platform
-The results are skewed in regards to console as PC and console have voted where some are inactive or not on the platforms of discussion.
-The poll conveys a tone from a user who has not and does not participate in the forums who hoped to ask ZOS for a feature prior to understanding why it's not on console.
-The poll is a collection of ideas from many other closed threads where the feature is the only relatable topic but implementation and functionality are lost in other threads
-The poll carries some past aggression from closed threads where a user may vote in opposition to an emotion between one user and another but where the topic is of no concern

All of this to my suggestion....let's all work together on any side pro/for or indifferent to the feature in order to think-tank towards something that fits what ZOS intends as well as offering some convenience and options for all.

Maybe even start with strategic questions to ZOS on ask us anything in order to pave a path to lay ideas and strategy in hopes to move past random comments of why/why not any person may desire or want this feature.

That's the help I can offer.

Thats cool and all, but for any of that to be true you literally have to ignore how polls work and you have to ignore what the community is asking for. Also you have to ignore how mmos actually work (talking about feedback from users).

It is evident that you are willfully ignoreing all these facts staring at you in the face. Its rather sad. Im going to share some advice with you as well. When you try to tell the majority of players their votes dont count and that they are wasting their time asking zos for something they want in the game, you will incite arguements.

Looking at your responses in later posts that seems to be your trend. You in so many words say "the majority's voice doesnt count, zos said no back in beta, nothing else anyone has to say matters, now follow my lead in the discussion"..... That type of dialoge doesnt work and no matter how hard you try this discussion will not go your way. 83% of the community wants text chat, and you cant steer them away from it. So I suggest stop trying.

mrskinskull · September 2015

No

Tholian1 wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

...

We (forums users) can only have ONE thread about THIS topic.
But, there can be a hundred about VR/CP whining.
This makes sense how?
(Not really asking for a reason...as they (Zos-Mods) are more than happy to give the form-letter reply to each and every one...even though they cannot be bothered to ever actually reply to ANY of the threads on the topic.)

We can't start a new Text Thread since this one is still open...even though NOBODY ever actually expected text to be added by the time IC got released.

Can the original poster of this thread either change the name of the thread, or ask that it just gets closed?

And, can ZOS please put a poll on the login screen IN THE GAME asking for player opinions on the top subjects asked about in the forums...including this one?

I am already stopping my subscription to the game due to Zos doing even less than the "bare-minimum" with regards to replying to it's customers.
Now I am just wasting time with ESO until Fallout 4 comes out.
Which makes me very sad.
I love ESO...but ZOS does not seem to.

Why not just play it then?

If you love it, play it.

No game exists without warts, everyone else is playing this game without text chat just fine,

Don't let one minor feature stop your fun, nobody else is bothered.
Its not that you can't, everyone else is.

Its that you won't. And thats your choice.
IMO, its a mistake to lose out on a great game that you 'love'.
I saw your attempt to start a specific text chat thread and it was shut down and redirected here.

That is as much confirmation as you are going to get that its not going to happen.

Redirectign all the comment s here allows the small number of posters who favor keyboards, to be quietly and easily ignored.
We all see it, ace you must see it now.

Smurf has seen it right from the beginning and has been trying to help turn the sad frustration here into something that meets your needs and fits with the vision of the game.
My advice is just play the game. You already paid for it.
For every hardcore sub that threatens to walk off, there are hundreds of casuals buying skyrim lite.

You may as well play, make some friends and before you know it, you will realise you don't really need text.

What exactly is your purpose in this thread? I realize you have no use for text chat and have made that clear. Others do have a use for it and do in fact need it to use the game to its potential. You will not convince me I don't need it, because I know what I need and don't need. You are not playing for me. This whole "vision of the game" argument is nonsense. No one is playing the original vision of the game today. It is always changing and not set in stone.

We are asking for ZOS to give us more complete communications options, you however, are trying to convince us we don't need it. You have voice chat and enjoy it. Why not go and use it and leave us be. You aren't helping us, no matter how much you have convinced yourself that you are.

We want text chat as an option. If you don't need it, then why are you wasting your time here?

I am not in your Hunger as a game mechanic thread trying to convince you not to want it. I made my comment and moved on because it is not important to me.

Again you are one vote.
I am guilty of trying to help show you how to enjoy the game as it was designed and hopefully show you that its actually an awesome game that you are shutting yourself off from by clinging to the need for old fashioned and out dated communication ,methods.

You might think you need text, but its accurate to say you want it.

BTW try to stay focused on the discussion and resist the urge to harass specific posters.
Thanks,
Have a great day.

Glorious_One · September 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.

So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?

Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.

Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.

The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.

Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.

Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.

Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.

Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.

Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.

No it isn't accurate.
How in the world could you think that a poll drawn from a tiny niche subset of an entire player base would be indicative of anything?

Honestly do you understand polling at all?

This survey might actually be having the opposite effect.

Zos can easily look at the small numbers here in this thread and gauge that when compared to the actual player base on consoles there isn't enough interest.

They might have just went ahead and added it as an artistic move, but this poll is demonstrating for free that the actual interest just isn't there.

I mean in the context of disgruntled forum posters, this issue is a landslide. Hands down.

In the larger more meaningful context of people who bought the game , and felt the need to post in the forums about it, its a drop in the bucket and likely not worth devoting heaps of development revenue to.

I hope this helps you to understand how polls actually work and maybe give you some context outside of your own particular wants for the game.

I want poison alchemy, but that's just a want. I have to be realistic about my personal niche wants and what the actual player base wants.

We all do.
Cheers.

Thats a lovely response, but polling works exactly as I esplained in my pervious post. But if you want you could study polls and get a good understanding of them yourself. And the word "niche" that you are using... is mlbeing misused. I suggest looking that up to while you are studying polls.

Just some friendly advice.

bareheiny · September 2015

Yes

Nobody, on either side of this "debate", can claim that the silent masses agree with them.

Honestly, the players who actually bother to find and participate in forums are the ones who are most likely to have a significant issue / question, or who are intend to be playing for some time.

The odds are pretty good that a consoler who picks up a game and doesn't like it (due to gameplay, lack of features etc) will simply put it down and move on.

Can I say that the majority of consolers want text chat? No....no I cannot. The same way that you cannot say that they don't want it - not unless you've asked each and every one of them.

When was the last time you heard a politician say that the election results didn't show anything, because there was only a 40% turn out?

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO · September 2015

No

Man, I just can't stop making new friends on the PS4 with VC!! We are rockin n rollin and coms are doing just great! I'm glad to see that the pc ppl are not trying to change the console version with wanting 'spam text chat'

Props to you Z for giving the console players what they want..on console.....and letting the pc players have wat they want...on pc.

Sorry to any of my fans, I've just been playing so much, meeting and voice chatting with new and old peeps daily, that I have no time to log in the fourms like I used to

I've actually had people with 'disorders' thank me for helping them come out of their shells and talk with me, AND, that they were talking to their shrinks/Doctors about getting off their medication!!!!!.....what a awesome feeling!!!

Tholian1 · September 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

...

We (forums users) can only have ONE thread about THIS topic.
But, there can be a hundred about VR/CP whining.
This makes sense how?
(Not really asking for a reason...as they (Zos-Mods) are more than happy to give the form-letter reply to each and every one...even though they cannot be bothered to ever actually reply to ANY of the threads on the topic.)

We can't start a new Text Thread since this one is still open...even though NOBODY ever actually expected text to be added by the time IC got released.

Can the original poster of this thread either change the name of the thread, or ask that it just gets closed?

And, can ZOS please put a poll on the login screen IN THE GAME asking for player opinions on the top subjects asked about in the forums...including this one?

I am already stopping my subscription to the game due to Zos doing even less than the "bare-minimum" with regards to replying to it's customers.
Now I am just wasting time with ESO until Fallout 4 comes out.
Which makes me very sad.
I love ESO...but ZOS does not seem to.

Why not just play it then?

If you love it, play it.

No game exists without warts, everyone else is playing this game without text chat just fine,

Don't let one minor feature stop your fun, nobody else is bothered.
Its not that you can't, everyone else is.

Its that you won't. And thats your choice.
IMO, its a mistake to lose out on a great game that you 'love'.
I saw your attempt to start a specific text chat thread and it was shut down and redirected here.

That is as much confirmation as you are going to get that its not going to happen.

Redirectign all the comment s here allows the small number of posters who favor keyboards, to be quietly and easily ignored.
We all see it, ace you must see it now.

Smurf has seen it right from the beginning and has been trying to help turn the sad frustration here into something that meets your needs and fits with the vision of the game.
My advice is just play the game. You already paid for it.
For every hardcore sub that threatens to walk off, there are hundreds of casuals buying skyrim lite.

You may as well play, make some friends and before you know it, you will realise you don't really need text.

What exactly is your purpose in this thread? I realize you have no use for text chat and have made that clear. Others do have a use for it and do in fact need it to use the game to its potential. You will not convince me I don't need it, because I know what I need and don't need. You are not playing for me. This whole "vision of the game" argument is nonsense. No one is playing the original vision of the game today. It is always changing and not set in stone.

We are asking for ZOS to give us more complete communications options, you however, are trying to convince us we don't need it. You have voice chat and enjoy it. Why not go and use it and leave us be. You aren't helping us, no matter how much you have convinced yourself that you are.

We want text chat as an option. If you don't need it, then why are you wasting your time here?

I am not in your Hunger as a game mechanic thread trying to convince you not to want it. I made my comment and moved on because it is not important to me.

Again you are one vote.
I am guilty of trying to help show you how to enjoy the game as it was designed and hopefully show you that its actually an awesome game that you are shutting yourself off from by clinging to the need for old fashioned and out dated communication ,methods.

You might think you need text, but its accurate to say you want it.

BTW try to stay focused on the discussion and resist the urge to harass specific posters.
Thanks,
Have a great day.

The only harassment I am seeing in this thread is you telling people over and over how their vote doesn't matter and that you have decided what they need and want in this game. please stop with the bait posts and maybe you won't be "harassed".

dday3six · September 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

What if we are simply trying to help a minority of players to find peace with just playing the game with way it was designed , just like 99 percent of the actual console player base is doing.

Text chat will not be implemented in the imperial city.
It should not be anywhere ahead of stability for PvP and stability for new content or even new content.

That is the actual topic. So please stay focused on the topic.
Text chat in the imperial city update.

This will never happen.

Cheers.

From my experience it seems the majority of players on PS4 are playing PVP. Yet the majority of game content is PVE. So are players doing the content as it was designed at that point? Or perhaps are they running the content that is more easily supported by voice chat.

Voice Chat could work similarly in PVE like in PVP if players would congregate in a central location. However because trading is not centralized in a static locale, players don't have a reason to mass in one location. Because of this if a player is looking for players to run PVE content they have to bounce around from one location to the next. Often in areas that have no connection to the content they are looking to run. In no way is this efficient.

If the majority of your time in game is spent in PVP. Clearly you are going to be insulated from seeing issues in PVE.

While Text Chat is not going to be put in with IC. There is no way to say it will never be added at some point. Some players certainly didn't think ESO would go FTP/BTP with a cash shop. Yet it did. Some players said there would never be scrolling combat text and effect trackers in game. Yet ZOS are adding them in at a later date.

Players do congregate for pve dungeons, if you go to the undaunted challenge place, you could get a pick up group in minutes especially since everyone is running the same dailies.
Most of those guys will guild up with you if you even hint at interest.

Glad I could help!

Happy gaming.

You didn't help. I've tried that. I've stated in the past that I have stood outside of the Conclave looking for guilds. It doesn't work. Have you actually tried this, or are you just guessing?

mrskinskull · September 2015

No

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Man, I just can't stop making new friends on the PS4 with VC!! We are rockin n rollin and coms are doing just great! I'm glad to see that the pc ppl are not trying to change the console version with wanting 'spam text chat' Props to you Z for giving the console players what they want..on console.....and letting the pc players have wat they want...on pc.

Sorry to any of my fans, I've just been playing so much, meeting and voice chatting with new and old peeps daily, that I have no time to log in the fourms like I used to I've actually had people with 'disorders' thank me for helping them come out of their shells and talk with me, AND, that they were talking to their shrinks/Doctors about getting off their medication!!!!!.....what a awesome feeling!!!

Good for you.
I have had similar experiences, with shy people being happy to chat.

Best of luck.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.

So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?

Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.

Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.

The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.

Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.

Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.

Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.

Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.

Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.

Respectfully sir your comments are not representative on how this polls results work/convey thoughts for this feature nor are the percentages you're referring to accurate for what you're suggesting it conveys.

Your interpretation of partial forum participation and segmented results will lead to arguments and debates in this thread based on the logic and math you're using. That goes against discussing a feature to be added after the company has already decided against it and responded to earlier community feedback as no.

This thread as a whole:

-The poll is not a deciding factor at all as the feature was scrapped in early development by ZOS and is if no influence of the community nor do they plan to add it based on their comments on ESO live
-The poll isn't a discussion that ZOS is willing to consider a change based on what ZOS has told the community in the past and recent as of three weeks.
-The poll results are only that of a segment of active forum users.
-The poll lacks participation from most console active players
-The entire forum population who sees the thread is less than most active players regardless of platform
-The results are skewed in regards to console as PC and console have voted where some are inactive or not on the platforms of discussion.
-The poll conveys a tone from a user who has not and does not participate in the forums who hoped to ask ZOS for a feature prior to understanding why it's not on console.
-The poll is a collection of ideas from many other closed threads where the feature is the only relatable topic but implementation and functionality are lost in other threads
-The poll carries some past aggression from closed threads where a user may vote in opposition to an emotion between one user and another but where the topic is of no concern

All of this to my suggestion....let's all work together on any side pro/for or indifferent to the feature in order to think-tank towards something that fits what ZOS intends as well as offering some convenience and options for all.

Maybe even start with strategic questions to ZOS on ask us anything in order to pave a path to lay ideas and strategy in hopes to move past random comments of why/why not any person may desire or want this feature.

That's the help I can offer.

Thats cool and all, but for any of that to be true you literally have to ignore how polls work and you have to ignore what the community is asking for. Also you have to ignore how mmos actually work (talking about feedback from users).

It is evident that you are willfully ignoreing all these facts staring at you in the face. Its rather sad. Im going to share some advice with you as well. When you try to tell the majority of players their votes dont count and that they are wasting their time asking zos for something they want in the game, you will incite arguements.

Looking at your responses in later posts that seems to be your trend. You in so many words say "the majority's voice doesnt count, zos said no back in beta, nothing else anyone has to say matters, now follow my lead in the discussion"..... That type of dialoge doesnt work and no matter how hard you try this discussion will not go your way. 83% of the community wants text chat, and you cant steer them away from it. So I suggest stop trying.

Based on your profile you haven't been around this forum long.

First...welcome to this forum if no one else has said so.

Your ideas and comments are welcomed and appreciated as well as your opinions.

I'd rather not argue with you or anyone but instead discuss collectively the ideas and or suggestions you may have regarding this feature or other items that will provide opportunity for you and others to feel you can better enjoy this game in the platform of your choice.

After you've watched the two ESO live episodes in my signature please share with us your ideas on this feature.
I honestly would love for someone or anyone to engage with me and others to come up with ideas that ZOS would entertain for an overall better experience for all gamers without aggravating or enraging one or more groups by means of any feature or ideas presented in this thread or others.

mrskinskull · September 2015

No

dday3six wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

What if we are simply trying to help a minority of players to find peace with just playing the game with way it was designed , just like 99 percent of the actual console player base is doing.

Text chat will not be implemented in the imperial city.
It should not be anywhere ahead of stability for PvP and stability for new content or even new content.

That is the actual topic. So please stay focused on the topic.
Text chat in the imperial city update.

This will never happen.

Cheers.

From my experience it seems the majority of players on PS4 are playing PVP. Yet the majority of game content is PVE. So are players doing the content as it was designed at that point? Or perhaps are they running the content that is more easily supported by voice chat.

Voice Chat could work similarly in PVE like in PVP if players would congregate in a central location. However because trading is not centralized in a static locale, players don't have a reason to mass in one location. Because of this if a player is looking for players to run PVE content they have to bounce around from one location to the next. Often in areas that have no connection to the content they are looking to run. In no way is this efficient.

If the majority of your time in game is spent in PVP. Clearly you are going to be insulated from seeing issues in PVE.

While Text Chat is not going to be put in with IC. There is no way to say it will never be added at some point. Some players certainly didn't think ESO would go FTP/BTP with a cash shop. Yet it did. Some players said there would never be scrolling combat text and effect trackers in game. Yet ZOS are adding them in at a later date.

Players do congregate for pve dungeons, if you go to the undaunted challenge place, you could get a pick up group in minutes especially since everyone is running the same dailies.
Most of those guys will guild up with you if you even hint at interest.

Glad I could help!

Happy gaming.

You didn't help. I've tried that. I've stated in the past that I have stood outside of the Conclave looking for guilds. It doesn't work. Have you actually tried this, or are you just guessing?

Yeah. I have tried it several times before I got into guilds. Na servers ebon heart pact PS 4. Very populated.

Glorious_One · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.

So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?

Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.

Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.

The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.

Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.

Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.

Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.

Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.

Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.

Respectfully sir your comments are not representative on how this polls results work/convey thoughts for this feature nor are the percentages you're referring to accurate for what you're suggesting it conveys.

Your interpretation of partial forum participation and segmented results will lead to arguments and debates in this thread based on the logic and math you're using. That goes against discussing a feature to be added after the company has already decided against it and responded to earlier community feedback as no.

This thread as a whole:

-The poll is not a deciding factor at all as the feature was scrapped in early development by ZOS and is if no influence of the community nor do they plan to add it based on their comments on ESO live
-The poll isn't a discussion that ZOS is willing to consider a change based on what ZOS has told the community in the past and recent as of three weeks.
-The poll results are only that of a segment of active forum users.
-The poll lacks participation from most console active players
-The entire forum population who sees the thread is less than most active players regardless of platform
-The results are skewed in regards to console as PC and console have voted where some are inactive or not on the platforms of discussion.
-The poll conveys a tone from a user who has not and does not participate in the forums who hoped to ask ZOS for a feature prior to understanding why it's not on console.
-The poll is a collection of ideas from many other closed threads where the feature is the only relatable topic but implementation and functionality are lost in other threads
-The poll carries some past aggression from closed threads where a user may vote in opposition to an emotion between one user and another but where the topic is of no concern

All of this to my suggestion....let's all work together on any side pro/for or indifferent to the feature in order to think-tank towards something that fits what ZOS intends as well as offering some convenience and options for all.

Maybe even start with strategic questions to ZOS on ask us anything in order to pave a path to lay ideas and strategy in hopes to move past random comments of why/why not any person may desire or want this feature.

That's the help I can offer.

Thats cool and all, but for any of that to be true you literally have to ignore how polls work and you have to ignore what the community is asking for. Also you have to ignore how mmos actually work (talking about feedback from users).

It is evident that you are willfully ignoreing all these facts staring at you in the face. Its rather sad. Im going to share some advice with you as well. When you try to tell the majority of players their votes dont count and that they are wasting their time asking zos for something they want in the game, you will incite arguements.

Looking at your responses in later posts that seems to be your trend. You in so many words say "the majority's voice doesnt count, zos said no back in beta, nothing else anyone has to say matters, now follow my lead in the discussion"..... That type of dialoge doesnt work and no matter how hard you try this discussion will not go your way. 83% of the community wants text chat, and you cant steer them away from it. So I suggest stop trying.

Based on your profile you haven't been around this forum long.

First...welcome to this forum if no one else has said so.

Your ideas and comments are welcomed and appreciated as well as your opinions.

I'd rather not argue with you or anyone but instead discuss collectively the ideas and or suggestions you may have regarding this feature or other items that will provide opportunity for you and others to feel you can better enjoy this game in the platform of your choice.

After you've watched the two ESO live episodes in my signature please share with us your ideas on this feature.
I honestly would love for someone or anyone to engage with me and others to come up with ideas that ZOS would entertain for an overall better experience for all gamers without aggravating or enraging one or more groups by means of any feature or ideas presented in this thread or others.

Thanks for the welcome.

Inhavebwatched those episodes and dont see them having much bearing on this dicussion tbh. Like I have stated before in a comment directed to you, that just because zos had said no to the idea back then does not mean they will not add it later. They said no to first person view in the beggining then the community voiced how they wanted first person view in the game.... then they added it.

Text chat is no different. If people want it, they should use these forums to voice their wants and concerns. There is no reason for them to adjust what they are ask for just because you believe they should. This an mmo, and the beauty of an mmo is that things change and the communitys input is important to the developers. So the community should not dumb down their wants, especially when they have shown to change their minds and such matters.

Tholian1 · September 2015

Yes

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.

So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?

Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.

Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.

The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.

Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.

Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.

Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.

Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.

Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.

Respectfully sir your comments are not representative on how this polls results work/convey thoughts for this feature nor are the percentages you're referring to accurate for what you're suggesting it conveys.

Your interpretation of partial forum participation and segmented results will lead to arguments and debates in this thread based on the logic and math you're using. That goes against discussing a feature to be added after the company has already decided against it and responded to earlier community feedback as no.

This thread as a whole:

-The poll is not a deciding factor at all as the feature was scrapped in early development by ZOS and is if no influence of the community nor do they plan to add it based on their comments on ESO live
-The poll isn't a discussion that ZOS is willing to consider a change based on what ZOS has told the community in the past and recent as of three weeks.
-The poll results are only that of a segment of active forum users.
-The poll lacks participation from most console active players
-The entire forum population who sees the thread is less than most active players regardless of platform
-The results are skewed in regards to console as PC and console have voted where some are inactive or not on the platforms of discussion.
-The poll conveys a tone from a user who has not and does not participate in the forums who hoped to ask ZOS for a feature prior to understanding why it's not on console.
-The poll is a collection of ideas from many other closed threads where the feature is the only relatable topic but implementation and functionality are lost in other threads
-The poll carries some past aggression from closed threads where a user may vote in opposition to an emotion between one user and another but where the topic is of no concern

All of this to my suggestion....let's all work together on any side pro/for or indifferent to the feature in order to think-tank towards something that fits what ZOS intends as well as offering some convenience and options for all.

Maybe even start with strategic questions to ZOS on ask us anything in order to pave a path to lay ideas and strategy in hopes to move past random comments of why/why not any person may desire or want this feature.

That's the help I can offer.

Thats cool and all, but for any of that to be true you literally have to ignore how polls work and you have to ignore what the community is asking for. Also you have to ignore how mmos actually work (talking about feedback from users).

It is evident that you are willfully ignoreing all these facts staring at you in the face. Its rather sad. Im going to share some advice with you as well. When you try to tell the majority of players their votes dont count and that they are wasting their time asking zos for something they want in the game, you will incite arguements.

Looking at your responses in later posts that seems to be your trend. You in so many words say "the majority's voice doesnt count, zos said no back in beta, nothing else anyone has to say matters, now follow my lead in the discussion"..... That type of dialoge doesnt work and no matter how hard you try this discussion will not go your way. 83% of the community wants text chat, and you cant steer them away from it. So I suggest stop trying.

Based on your profile you haven't been around this forum long.

First...welcome to this forum if no one else has said so.

Your ideas and comments are welcomed and appreciated as well as your opinions.

I'd rather not argue with you or anyone but instead discuss collectively the ideas and or suggestions you may have regarding this feature or other items that will provide opportunity for you and others to feel you can better enjoy this game in the platform of your choice.

After you've watched the two ESO live episodes in my signature please share with us your ideas on this feature.
I honestly would love for someone or anyone to engage with me and others to come up with ideas that ZOS would entertain for an overall better experience for all gamers without aggravating or enraging one or more groups by means of any feature or ideas presented in this thread or others.

Thanks for the welcome.

Inhavebwatched those episodes and dont see them having much bearing on this dicussion tbh. Like I have stated before in a comment directed to you, that just because zos had said no to the idea back then does not mean they will not add it later. They said no to first person view in the beggining then the community voiced how they wanted first person view in the game.... then they added it.

Text chat is no different. If people want it, they should use these forums to voice their wants and concerns. There is no reason for them to adjust what they are ask for just because you believe they should. This an mmo, and the beauty of an mmo is that things change and the communitys input is important to the developers. So the community should not dumb down their wants, especially when they have shown to change their minds and such matters.

Agreed. Discussions on how to implement text chat are premature at this stage, and only serve to derail the conversation from the main focus. First we must get ZOS to acknowledge the very real need for it by a segment of the population, and then have the debates on how it should be implemented.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Glorious_One wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.

That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".

Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.

I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.

So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?

Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.

Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.

The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.

Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.

Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.

Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.

Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.

Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.

Respectfully sir your comments are not representative on how this polls results work/convey thoughts for this feature nor are the percentages you're referring to accurate for what you're suggesting it conveys.

Your interpretation of partial forum participation and segmented results will lead to arguments and debates in this thread based on the logic and math you're using. That goes against discussing a feature to be added after the company has already decided against it and responded to earlier community feedback as no.

This thread as a whole:

-The poll is not a deciding factor at all as the feature was scrapped in early development by ZOS and is if no influence of the community nor do they plan to add it based on their comments on ESO live
-The poll isn't a discussion that ZOS is willing to consider a change based on what ZOS has told the community in the past and recent as of three weeks.
-The poll results are only that of a segment of active forum users.
-The poll lacks participation from most console active players
-The entire forum population who sees the thread is less than most active players regardless of platform
-The results are skewed in regards to console as PC and console have voted where some are inactive or not on the platforms of discussion.
-The poll conveys a tone from a user who has not and does not participate in the forums who hoped to ask ZOS for a feature prior to understanding why it's not on console.
-The poll is a collection of ideas from many other closed threads where the feature is the only relatable topic but implementation and functionality are lost in other threads
-The poll carries some past aggression from closed threads where a user may vote in opposition to an emotion between one user and another but where the topic is of no concern

All of this to my suggestion....let's all work together on any side pro/for or indifferent to the feature in order to think-tank towards something that fits what ZOS intends as well as offering some convenience and options for all.

Maybe even start with strategic questions to ZOS on ask us anything in order to pave a path to lay ideas and strategy in hopes to move past random comments of why/why not any person may desire or want this feature.

That's the help I can offer.

Thats cool and all, but for any of that to be true you literally have to ignore how polls work and you have to ignore what the community is asking for. Also you have to ignore how mmos actually work (talking about feedback from users).

It is evident that you are willfully ignoreing all these facts staring at you in the face. Its rather sad. Im going to share some advice with you as well. When you try to tell the majority of players their votes dont count and that they are wasting their time asking zos for something they want in the game, you will incite arguements.

Looking at your responses in later posts that seems to be your trend. You in so many words say "the majority's voice doesnt count, zos said no back in beta, nothing else anyone has to say matters, now follow my lead in the discussion"..... That type of dialoge doesnt work and no matter how hard you try this discussion will not go your way. 83% of the community wants text chat, and you cant steer them away from it. So I suggest stop trying.

Based on your profile you haven't been around this forum long.

First...welcome to this forum if no one else has said so.

Your ideas and comments are welcomed and appreciated as well as your opinions.

I'd rather not argue with you or anyone but instead discuss collectively the ideas and or suggestions you may have regarding this feature or other items that will provide opportunity for you and others to feel you can better enjoy this game in the platform of your choice.

After you've watched the two ESO live episodes in my signature please share with us your ideas on this feature.
I honestly would love for someone or anyone to engage with me and others to come up with ideas that ZOS would entertain for an overall better experience for all gamers without aggravating or enraging one or more groups by means of any feature or ideas presented in this thread or others.

Thanks for the welcome.

Inhavebwatched those episodes and dont see them having much bearing on this dicussion tbh. Like I have stated before in a comment directed to you, that just because zos had said no to the idea back then does not mean they will not add it later. They said no to first person view in the beggining then the community voiced how they wanted first person view in the game.... then they added it.

Text chat is no different. If people want it, they should use these forums to voice their wants and concerns. There is no reason for them to adjust what they are ask for just because you believe they should. This an mmo, and the beauty of an mmo is that things change and the communitys input is important to the developers. So the community should not dumb down their wants, especially when they have shown to change their minds and such matters.

Glorious...

Again I've shared before and I'll share again I do not wish to argue.
You've decided to continue and disregard the companies statements and info...do you....but I ask that you discontinue to pull me into the argument regarding this feature as I nor anyone else are the cause of said feature not being available on the platform of your choice.

bareheiny · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You've decided to continue and disregard the companies statements and info...do you....but I ask that you discontinue to pull me into the argument regarding this feature as I nor anyone else are the cause of said feature not being available on the platform of your choice.

Nobody's pulling anybody into anything in this thread.

You are free to participate or not. If somebody quotes you, you are free to reply or ignore the quote.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO · September 2015

No

mrskinskull wrote: »

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Man, I just can't stop making new friends on the PS4 with VC!! We are rockin n rollin and coms are doing just great! I'm glad to see that the pc ppl are not trying to change the console version with wanting 'spam text chat' Props to you Z for giving the console players what they want..on console.....and letting the pc players have wat they want...on pc.

Sorry to any of my fans, I've just been playing so much, meeting and voice chatting with new and old peeps daily, that I have no time to log in the fourms like I used to I've actually had people with 'disorders' thank me for helping them come out of their shells and talk with me, AND, that they were talking to their shrinks/Doctors about getting off their medication!!!!!.....what a awesome feeling!!!

Good for you.
I have had similar experiences, with shy people being happy to chat.

Best of luck.

Thanks bro!! Send me an invite if you want to hook up sometime..it's in my sig. Just let me know ur psn via pm on here so I'll know its u. I hope I have enough room to add ya lol

I make a different friend every time I log in!! We chat and roll for hrs..picking up even more peeps on the way!! In fact, a lot of ppl are starting to use their phones to call friends and family instead of texting them!!! It has brought distant families closer with the personal voice calls!! It's really amazing the good VC is doing for people