ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Rich, that is a running gag now

@ZOS_RichLambert seems to be very motivated.

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

I approve of this greatly. Well done.

Somebody should get a kickstarter going for ZoS, a pile of PVP focused money might get something done.

Leandor wrote: »

Stop blobing. Seriously. If you join a campaign and a train of whatever color or setup rolls over you twice, you leave. It has been proven by example so far that all attempted fixes are turned around immediately.

You want more PvE players join PvP? Stop blobing even if it costs you all keeps, three quarters of your AP gain, victory of the campaign and your yellow rewards.

No more "group up on crown" is the only way to succeed.

No more pvp then. I see you dont understand that numbers do win period. And nothing will change that "blobing" or "zerging" is most efficient strategy. The only way to try to change that is giving more small objectives that matter. In gw2 you have caravans taht transport resoruces to keeps. Keeps upgrade with time and supplies in keeps allow you to replenish your pool of supplies to repair walls and so on. So cutting off caravans. taking resoruces has and should have sense for small groups. There are no mechanisms like that in eso.

Strangly, I seem to be the only one who disagree about mostly everything stated in the OP. I do agree that PvP population could be increased, that we cannot deny. But I am not ready to convince ZOS to bring some new changes into Cyrodiil to catch the attention of pveers.

PvP and PvE should be two totally different things and we should not have to "convince" people from one side to join the other. You either like fighting players or you don't. You either like fighting mobs or you don't. And usually if you are hardcore and dedicated to one side, you won't care much about the other.

My point is : I don't want more PvE stuff like quests, npcs and dungeons full of mobs in Cyrodiil. The only npc I would like to be added is a quartermaster vendor who sell PvP gear which we could purchase with tokens given at the end of each campaign. PvP gear that would be totally useless in PvE and that would remove the necessity for pvpers to to gring dungeons for gear in PvE and that would remove the necessity for pveers to gring AP for gear in PvP.

If you want to help get new players in Cyrodiil, here is my top4 suggestions :

- Promote your guild by building a constructive recruitement thread in teso official forums and tamriel foundry
- Stream your playtime and encourage popular streamers by following/subscribing/donating to them
- Setup specific PvP events to train new players into Cyrodiil and announce it in your guild infos
- Build a website for your guild with forums to keep a constant flow of conversation between your members

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

Caltrops, invasion, talons talons talons talons talons.....

Snit wrote: »

- Some people hate blobs because they cause lag. Lag is the number one issue in Cyrodiil. I hope there is a code fix to this
- Some people hate blobs because they'd rather solo/ duo, or they don't want to join a PvP guild. Too bad. Your playstyle should not have veto power over the people who group up

I think the lag impact of blobs and insta-cast AoE spamming is the number one issue.

But that plus the "I'd rather solo" complaint are not the only issues.

People also have a legitimate complaint that as things stand now there is no balanced counter to a blob other than another blob. Siege was clearly intended as a counter - ZOS even buffed siege damage in an effort to slow the blobs. But we've seen how that doesn't work very well against even a semi-organized blob group spamming purge and a few heals.

Personally, the whole "stack on crown" gameplay is mindless, boring and should be discouraged by ZOS. End purging of siege damage!

Sublime wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

PvP guilds: Open up your exclusive cliques and TS only groups!! This is one of the biggest issues I see consistently with new players. Some players complain they cant get invited to a group. Some groups are very cold towards new players. I personally have witnessed conflicts of interest where groups remain exclusive to farm AP and care very little about the overall health of the campaign as long as they remain on top of the leaderboards. One of the most challenging concepts for inexperienced players to understand is that PvP is a group activity. Unless you are well leveled, geared and experienced, solo roaming is not going to be very rewarding. Getting a new player into a group, downloading and and configuring a voice chat program, and setting it to "push to talk" feels like pulling teeth sometimes but it can be overcome with patience, kindness, and persistence.

There are some things I'd like to say to this as an officer of a guild who trained new players for almost a year and rather competitive player:

First off: Communication is key and the faster you communicate the better you are. I do understand that certain players do not want to join voice comms for whatever reason, but there's simple too much things that have to be discussed in order to be able to use the normal chat channel. And nobody really wants to read an essay either.

This basically leads to a second issue: ESO has a very high skill cap, meaning it takes a lot of knowledge and practice to get good at PvP, which branches out into two poblems. First teaching new players takes time, a lot of time. Second a new player is a lot weaker the a veteran, yes there's battle leveling but the skill difference is just too big for new players to actually make an Impact.

As a result playing with increasing amounts of new players gets increasingly difficult for old players since they have to hard-carry the whole raid. This can be fun from time to time but once you start wiping to other groups it gets very frustrating because the old players actually knew how to improve/prevent the loss, but cannot adapt because of the newcomers.

This. And also, there are numorous guilds, at least on the EU PC server, that regulary have raids open to new players with TS. Being a leading officer of one such guild for a long time, I have developed trainings and theory-crafted group builds for new players who want to learn and not just leech. And I must say, it is a really difficult job.. it's not just chatting with people about builds and explaining simple game mechanics, but our officers also spend countless hours in creating the 3-language WIki on our website, including guides about PvP basics, add-ons, detailed builds for solo and gourp play on our forums, freely accessible to any guild member. And that's why there are also certain minimal requirements to join the raids and be a part of the guild. One of which is having TS and being able to at least listen and follow the leader. But if you have that, you will be able to join an open group. And from there you can start learning, improving, getting gear, etc. Kicking people from an open group only happens if we see them on the other side of the map and don't get explanation why...

For everyone who doesn't want TS, there are chat-lead groups... which usually become subjects to AP-farm by groups with TS... so, TS and some discipline are quite important to have any success in this game. Installing TS and being able to listen and follow is really nothing special and hardly a difficult requirement and this will not change no matter how much people whine, because it's needed if you want to have any success in the game, as Sublime said. Really, I can't see how anyone can complain about such a requirement... if you don't want to... then simply get farmed or learn how to play on your own and solo all the time.

Minno wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

PvP guilds: Open up your exclusive cliques and TS only groups!! This is one of the biggest issues I see consistently with new players. Some players complain they cant get invited to a group. Some groups are very cold towards new players. I personally have witnessed conflicts of interest where groups remain exclusive to farm AP and care very little about the overall health of the campaign as long as they remain on top of the leaderboards. One of the most challenging concepts for inexperienced players to understand is that PvP is a group activity. Unless you are well leveled, geared and experienced, solo roaming is not going to be very rewarding. Getting a new player into a group, downloading and and configuring a voice chat program, and setting it to "push to talk" feels like pulling teeth sometimes but it can be overcome with patience, kindness, and persistence.

There are some things I'd like to say to this as an officer of a guild who trained new players for almost a year and rather competitive player:

First off: Communication is key and the faster you communicate the better you are. I do understand that certain players do not want to join voice comms for whatever reason, but there's simple too much things that have to be discussed in order to be able to use the normal chat channel. And nobody really wants to read an essay either.

This basically leads to a second issue: ESO has a very high skill cap, meaning it takes a lot of knowledge and practice to get good at PvP, which branches out into two poblems. First teaching new players takes time, a lot of time. Second a new player is a lot weaker the a veteran, yes there's battle leveling but the skill difference is just too big for new players to actually make an Impact.

As a result playing with increasing amounts of new players gets increasingly difficult for old players since they have to hard-carry the whole raid. This can be fun from time to time but once you start wiping to other groups it gets very frustrating because the old players actually knew how to improve/prevent the loss, but cannot adapt because of the newcomers.

This. And also, there are numorous guilds, at least on the EU PC server, that regulary have raids open to new players with TS. Being a leading officer of one such guild for a long time, I have developed trainings and theory-crafted group builds for new players who want to learn and not just leech. And I must say, it is a really difficult job.. it's not just chatting with people about builds and explaining simple game mechanics, but our officers also spend countless hours in creating the 3-language WIki on our website, including guides about PvP basics, add-ons, detailed builds for solo and gourp play on our forums, freely accessible to any guild member. And that's why there are also certain minimal requirements to join the raids and be a part of the guild. One of which is having TS and being able to at least listen and follow the leader. But if you have that, you will be able to join an open group. And from there you can start learning, improving, getting gear, etc. Kicking people from an open group only happens if we see them on the other side of the map and don't get explanation why...

For everyone who doesn't want TS, there are chat-lead groups... which usually become subjects to AP-farm by groups with TS... so, TS and some discipline are quite important to have any success in this game. Installing TS and being able to listen and follow is really nothing special and hardly a difficult requirement and this will not change no matter how much people whine, because it's needed if you want to have any success in the game, as Sublime said. Really, I can't see how anyone can complain about such a requirement... if you don't want to... then simply get farmed or learn how to play on your own and solo all the time.

When I lead, chat and TS become one, with chat being couple of words to give target direction.
Someone in group should relay TS commands in chat so that lead doesn't have to do it (first officer, number 2, etc.)

Too slow for what we aim to do.

How bout doing something about the buff campaigns. Every alliance has a campaign that they control everything so to actually pvp you have to create a new character every time you hit vet rank which sucks. The only active campaign on EU server is black water blade. I'm a former emperor on it then hit vet rank and had to start again because all campaigns are dead. Make vet optional or something. But something needs to be done pronto