I don't understand people who want Solo Content

MikeBob · October 2014

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

Overall it will probably be the more solo oriented player, the crafter, the trader, who will provide a long term stable community for this game. Raiders come in, get their kicks and then burn out pretty quickly when the next big shiny thing comes along. Those who feel something for the world and their characters and are able to take the time to enjoy the game at a slower pace are probably going to be those people who will be around for years. I know this from six years in LOTRO and seeing the kind of players who stuck around and those that didn't.

QFE/T

It's folks (like me) who log in, day after day (and thus keep our subs paid up, month after month), to spend our days in the tireless pursuit solo self-sufficiency (grinding, gathering, crafting, and skilling up, ad infinitum), who are the ones who keep online gaming companies (and the communities formed around them) afloat whenever the uber-elite crowd rushes off to apply for the betas of newly announced projects. I've seen it time and again, in just over fifteen years of online gaming.

purple-magicb16_ESO · October 2014

Sharee wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

No, you obviously don't understand what a MMO is, the focal point of a MMO is grouping and playing with others not just them being there.

The only focal point of any entertainment activity is to be entertained. Insisting that there is only one right way to use any form of entertainment is like insisting that dominoes should only be used for playing the domino board game and for nothing else.

Would you also like tell these people http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QtdPfz_faM that they are doing it wrong?

Agree. It's like sex. You're only doing it wrong if you're not having fun. ; - )

Elvent · October 2014

Varicite wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

WoW endgame is not exactly solo-friendly. You won't be soloing Celestials, raids, PvP, arenas, etc. You won't be getting the best gear solo.

Ah, see the end game is not the reason I play these games. Same with a large number of TES players. I don't care about end game PvP, Trials, Raids or any of that other stuff. I don't need the best gear to enjoy the game. So, none of this matters to me. I am in it for the questing and exploration.

it's just that I'm not quite certain exactly what solo players actually want for their endgame experience.

Horse race events
World events
Holiday events
Dailies
Housing
Dueling
Bounties
Mini games (similar to WoWs darkmoon faire...not everything has to feel like a chore or grind and this proves it)
Fishing....needs to be looked at and expanded on, we should be allowed to fish anywhere, the fishing pools should just be for a bonus or special type fish.

Some of these things I mentioned are coming but not sure when but I'm just happy that they're coming.

Repeatable quests/tasks from cities (not just cyrodiil, not everybody likes PvP or being bothered by PvP while trying to do PvE content) that have you go out in the world and collect things, such as Skyrim had, you know..those never ending find me 5 of these or turn this letter in to so and so, they could give reputation.

Reputation for vanity items such as pets, mounts, costumes, etc, something to work for, farming reputation

Skyrim type solo dungeons that you could get lost in....too bad we will never see dungeons that large and epic in this game, at least not for a solo or public dungeon, a raid or whatever they're called in this game perhaps, these dungeons in ESO are kind of getting to be pretty boring following a single path the whole ways, very linear, you already know the dungeon layout because you've done it 20 times already leveling up so you already know exactly where to go and don't have to look at the map like I always had to do in Skyrim, the only difference in the dungeons in this game is the mobs and there's like 4-5 different layouts total.

Vahrokh · October 2014

Tabbycat wrote: »

Are there any other recently released MMOs that do force you to do group content in order to reach max level?

Neither recent nor old. Every MMO I have played (that is, almost all western) has at least one way to reach max level in solo, usually by providing multiple paths to quest and get there. So later you can level new alts playing another quests path and don't even feel the repetition of the same tasks.

ESO, on the other side, is extremely scarce, in the sense that in order to level up you REALLY have to beat the maps inch by inch and do everything just to keep up your level synced with the maps intended players level.

eventide03b14a_ESO · October 2014

Vahrokh wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

Are there any other recently released MMOs that do force you to do group content in order to reach max level?

Neither recent nor old. Every MMO I have played (that is, almost all western) has at least one way to reach max level in solo, usually by providing multiple paths to quest and get there. So later you can level new alts playing another quests path and don't even feel the repetition of the same tasks.

ESO, on the other side, is extremely scarce, in the sense that in order to level up you REALLY have to beat the maps inch by inch and do everything just to keep up your level synced with the maps intended players level.

This:
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/09c7ww/living-to-win

Audigy · October 2014

rlbolab14a_ESO wrote: »

I believe that these people on here blaming the soloer's for there not being any group content may just be focusing their frustrations in the wrong direction. They should be focusing on pushing for more guild/raid/ end game content. Perhaps they should take another page from EQ, I remember raids going into raid zone to kill dragons, or gods. Perhaps we should do the same, Skyrim had dragons in it and ESO has gods in it as well.

Again,

someone does make the mistake in thinking that people who like to play with others automatically must be banished into raids, typical WOW thinking

.

I dislike raiding as I cant fit this task into my RL anymore so for me raiding is not an alternative to group play at all.

Its content that I wont access anymore so demanding that I do this because I like to play an MMO is silly and rude.

You need to realize and understand that people who want to group or play with / see others might want to do this in the open world and not inside dungeons.

It takes too much time to organize groups, to find friendly guilds and / or lead them & organize schedules that fit for all there. Its something you can do if you go to school or have an easy RL with not many activities, a less demanding job ... but that's not the case for everyone in this world.

Because of this there must be chance to meet others, to play with them outside of all that raid stuff. And exactly this type of content ESO lacks and this makes people angry and if then solo gamers demand and demand all the time then this makes people very upset as its strange that those with most content blame those with none.

Those of us that want to play with others don't have issues with solo gamers at all, we do play solo as well. But we have issues with the fact that there are no possibilities of playing with others since the VR nerf.

No matter if we talk about VR zones, anchors or public dungeons - its all so easy that grouping has no point there. When I do a public dungeon everything is just dead in seconds and this if we are just two people.

So please stop with trying to banish MMO players into raids, its not right and very disrespectful towards us.

bosmern_ESO · October 2014

Elvent wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

WoW endgame is not exactly solo-friendly. You won't be soloing Celestials, raids, PvP, arenas, etc. You won't be getting the best gear solo.

Ah, see the end game is not the reason I play these games. Same with a large number of TES players. I don't care about end game PvP, Trials, Raids or any of that other stuff. I don't need the best gear to enjoy the game. So, none of this matters to me. I am in it for the questing and exploration.

it's just that I'm not quite certain exactly what solo players actually want for their endgame experience.

Horse race events
World events
Holiday events
Dailies
Housing
Dueling
Bounties
Mini games (similar to WoWs darkmoon faire...not everything has to feel like a chore or grind and this proves it)

Everything you listed is more social than solo, other than Dailies.

Paske · October 2014

Its 3am. Its day off, kid and wife sleeping and its ESO time. Lets do some questing ...
But wait. It takes 30 minutes to find 4 people on same quest as me and on same part of quest ( that I cant share ) . One person decides its late and leaves. Seconds after group is disbanded because people yell F this.

Been playing for over 3 hours now. Done some Cyrodill, then a quick veteran dungeon to help some guildies now I just feel like running around doing some solo content. Oh wait - there is none.

Its 19:15 local time.
Trials start at 20:00. Lets kill 45 minutes by some solo stuff, oh wait...
Well I can allways find a quick party. 15 minutes to get a group going, 10 minutes to get where we need to. Another 5-7 minutes to get ready. Oh well we cant finish the quest because Im out of time.

The list goes on ...

I cant understand people that take high ground and decide that people who play "their game" differently are simply wrong.

Rawlu · October 2014

First & Foremost? Please Stop using the term 'MMO'?.

Its a Persistent Online World & nothing more. the term 'MMO', specifically 'Multiplayer', has been taken to suggest since day one that you Must Group & you Must be Social etc., its Not & you Don't.

I've played so-called 'MMO's' now for 14+ years starting with EverQuest, the Vast Majority of that time Solo. I Prefer to Solo. that does not mean I never Grouped or Raided in that time, I've done both Countless times, but I still Prefer to Solo.

Persistent Online World ;-)

Just a few of the Countless reasons people who Pay Money just like you may Prefer to Solo, starting at around 1:40-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efIGxM7mxsg

Moonclaw · October 2014

I mainly play solo and will be retained as a player by solo content being added. I enjoy small groups now and then and often work with other players in what I would call informal groups when taking down difficult mobs or doing open dungeons. This game has a larger than usual population of folks like me I believe - and if we all leave it will make a difference.. I played SWTOR for similar reasons and left when all new content was raid / team based. I like the fact that the world is "alive" and that I can collaborate with others but 90% of the time I am solo
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Vahrokh · October 2014

Paske wrote: »

Its 3am. Its day off, kid and wife sleeping and its ESO time. Lets do some questing ...
But wait. It takes 30 minutes to find 4 people on same quest as me and on same part of quest ( that I cant share ) . One person decides its late and leaves. Seconds after group is disbanded because people yell F this.

Been playing for over 3 hours now. Done some Cyrodill, then a quick veteran dungeon to help some guildies now I just feel like running around doing some solo content. Oh wait - there is none.

Its 19:15 local time.
Trials start at 20:00. Lets kill 45 minutes by some solo stuff, oh wait...
Well I can allways find a quick party. 15 minutes to get a group going, 10 minutes to get where we need to. Another 5-7 minutes to get ready. Oh well we cant finish the quest because Im out of time.

This is SO MUCH my life!

I am the fortunate member of a trials capable guild. We have trials 2 days a week. Trials take about 3 hours (multiple runs).
We also have 2 PvP days (read: 2-3 hours each).

Am I a solo player? NOT AT ALL!

Now, I am paying an AAA MMO subscription but - unlike every other MMO I got - I can only find playable content during the above hours. That's it. Then all I have got is to watch the endless LFG Hircine / bosses / anomalies run scrolling on the screen. Questing in Craglorn? It's less painful to get a root canal treatment than a Craglorn quest group, expecially in Lower Craglorn.

So? What am I, "KOSHER SOCIAL PLAYER who plays MMOS as the "forced group experts" demand" meant to do the other hours and days? Count my fingers? Turn my thumbs?
I go find food materials, flowers and resources but after 20 minutes I am both done with that AND bored.

So, what ELSE am I meant to do, since I am VR14, have achievements done, every single quest in game done and don't need any stinking Hircine group (nor Craglorn dungeon tbh)?

What I do now, after getting bored to tears in ESO is to... go play EvE Online, check Star Citizen Arena and forums, Trials of Ascension forums (game still years to come

)... Oh wait, I am spending hours NOT playing ESO but I still have to pay ESO like it was actually filling my free time.

Basically ESO is providing little content like F2P games (where you don't lose money so you can just "ALT TAB" and play something else) but costing like a real AAA P2P game.

eventide03b14a_ESO · October 2014

Rawlu wrote: »

First & Foremost? Please Stop using the term 'MMO'?.

Its a Persistent Online World & nothing more. the term 'MMO', specifically 'Multiplayer', has been taken to suggest since day one that you Must Group & you Must be Social etc., its Not & you Don't.

I've played so-called 'MMO's' now for 14+ years starting with EverQuest, the Vast Majority of that time Solo. I Prefer to Solo. that does not mean I never Grouped or Raided in that time, I've done both Countless times, but I still Prefer to Solo.

Persistent Online World ;-)

Just a few of the Countless reasons people who Pay Money just like you may Prefer to Solo, starting at around 1:40-

It doesn't matter what you call it. The definition of an MMO, which I have no intention of calling it anything else, doesn't exclude solo play. I disagree that there was ever an idea that you "must" do anything group related. I played EQ and I soloed a majority of the time with my mage. You may call it whatever you like the fact is this game is no different than EQ or it's online successors in any way in terms of content.

Elvent · October 2014

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Elvent wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

WoW endgame is not exactly solo-friendly. You won't be soloing Celestials, raids, PvP, arenas, etc. You won't be getting the best gear solo.

Ah, see the end game is not the reason I play these games. Same with a large number of TES players. I don't care about end game PvP, Trials, Raids or any of that other stuff. I don't need the best gear to enjoy the game. So, none of this matters to me. I am in it for the questing and exploration.

it's just that I'm not quite certain exactly what solo players actually want for their endgame experience.

Horse race events
World events
Holiday events
Dailies
Housing
Dueling
Bounties
Mini games (similar to WoWs darkmoon faire...not everything has to feel like a chore or grind and this proves it)

Everything you listed is more social than solo, other than Dailies.

It's not about being social, I am very social in game, it's about solo content because to do these things do not require being grouped and dependent on other players.

Nerouyn · October 2014

@ OP

Not all people are pleasant to interact with. I'd hazard to guess you might even be one of them.

Time is also a factor. Not everyone has large chunks of time to play. It sometimes take time to get into a group. Considerate players might also hesitate to get into a group knowing they would disrupt it by leaving after a relatively short time.

Smart game design caters to a variety of tastes to maximise the chance potential customers will find something in it they like. Just look at Wildstar. They tailored their end-game to a niche audience (raiders) and they are floundering. You'd have to be mad to want ESO to do the same.

TRIP233 · October 2014

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

You're playing a MMO (Massive Multiplayer Online) and you say you don't want to group with others and would rather be alone? Do you guys really not understand what a MMO is?

You're saying "Yea, I want a MMO, but just without the other players." That's not how it works.

If you want solo content go play Skyrim, or another Elder Scrolls game, and wait for the next one. ZoS said that they would be focusing on grouping and making the game more social before they came out and now all of you are surprised that a MMO doesn't encourage single player?

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It isn't about not wanting group content. It's about the grouping system not being any good and never being able to find a group of people that want to do Craglorn content. If you can't get a group and everyone not wanting to go to a different campaign that isn't locked then what else is there to do? We need more solo content.

xChewtoyx · October 2014

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

xChewtoyx wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Exactly what leveling content is there in this game that you are being "forced" to group for, outside of the few dungeons that require 4 players and are not required for leveling whatsoever?

You should be able to solo from lv1-VR10 w/out any issue, especially after the VR content nerf.

I would consider Craglorn leveling content. I had zero problem leveling VR 1-10 prior to the nerf and certainly not after it.

vr 1 to 10 is not the issue, 10 to 14 is.

I never said VR1 to 10 was a issue. I was replying to a question and comment directed at me.
Try and keep up.

bosmern_ESO · October 2014

Nerouyn wrote: »

@ OP

Not all people are pleasant to interact with. I'd hazard to guess you might even be one of them.

Time is also a factor. Not everyone has large chunks of time to play. It sometimes take time to get into a group. Considerate players might also hesitate to get into a group knowing they would disrupt it by leaving after a relatively short time.

Smart game design caters to a variety of tastes to maximise the chance potential customers will find something in it they like. Just look at Wildstar. They tailored their end-game to a niche audience (raiders) and they are floundering. You'd have to be mad to want ESO to do the same.

I'm not actually a jerk, I'm pretty social and nice. I go out of my way and help people a lot.

But I'm sure most people would disagree because I have a different opinion then theirs...

Soulshine · October 2014

Audigy wrote: »

rlbolab14a_ESO wrote: »

I believe that these people on here blaming the soloer's for there not being any group content may just be focusing their frustrations in the wrong direction. They should be focusing on pushing for more guild/raid/ end game content. Perhaps they should take another page from EQ, I remember raids going into raid zone to kill dragons, or gods. Perhaps we should do the same, Skyrim had dragons in it and ESO has gods in it as well.

Again,

someone does make the mistake in thinking that people who like to play with others automatically must be banished into raids, typical WOW thinking .

I dislike raiding as I cant fit this task into my RL anymore so for me raiding is not an alternative to group play at all.

Its content that I wont access anymore so demanding that I do this because I like to play an MMO is silly and rude.

You need to realize and understand that people who want to group or play with / see others might want to do this in the open world and not inside dungeons.

It takes too much time to organize groups, to find friendly guilds and / or lead them & organize schedules that fit for all there. Its something you can do if you go to school or have an easy RL with not many activities, a less demanding job ... but that's not the case for everyone in this world.

Because of this there must be chance to meet others, to play with them outside of all that raid stuff. And exactly this type of content ESO lacks and this makes people angry and if then solo gamers demand and demand all the time then this makes people very upset as its strange that those with most content blame those with none.

Those of us that want to play with others don't have issues with solo gamers at all, we do play solo as well. But we have issues with the fact that there are no possibilities of playing with others since the VR nerf.

No matter if we talk about VR zones, anchors or public dungeons - its all so easy that grouping has no point there. When I do a public dungeon everything is just dead in seconds and this if we are just two people.

So please stop with trying to banish MMO players into raids, its not right and very disrespectful towards us.

Ok. Well, likewise, please stop trying to banish raiders from the game. It is not right and very disrespectful towards us.... sound familiar?

Honestly, nearly every post I have ever read of yours in response to someone who even hints at raiding you are there to raise the protest flag.

We GET that you hate raiding. But try to realize that raiders have every reason to be here and to like and want raids in the game, and their contributions to the community from playing that content are just as valuable as are those of solo players who want soloable content, just as are those of people that enjoy open world grouping want much more content of that type instead of being forced into dungeons.

Accusing people of being rude for arguing what they believe to be good is just as bad as arguing that what you think is good is better than what others want.

All options are viable choices.

I really wish people would at least TRY to be tolearant of that perogative.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · October 2014

Hey folks,

Everyone has different interests in online games, and that's okay. Some people love running around solo, some prefer running around in a duo or small group, and other prefer large groups. Similarly, some people live and breathe PVP, and for others it's not their cup of team. That's okay. Let's please respect the differences in likes, dislikes, and interests, and keep this discussion about the topic instead of making it personal, okay? Thank you.

GreySix · October 2014

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey folks,

Everyone has different interests in online games, and that's okay. Some people love running around solo, some prefer running around in a duo or small group, and other prefer large groups.

Yeah, I prefer both.

Yet the main story excludes group play.

Please fix that.

Thanks.

Sapphy24 · October 2014

Get real Bosmern, people are all different and want different experiences.

Ysne58 · October 2014

GreySix wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey folks,

Everyone has different interests in online games, and that's okay. Some people love running around solo, some prefer running around in a duo or small group, and other prefer large groups.

Yeah, I prefer both.

Yet the main story excludes group play.

Please fix that.

Thanks.

I agree the main story should allow at least one other player. Yes I have completed it once. Working on it again with other characters. I'll see how this goes.

Valen_Byte · October 2014

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

You're playing a MMO (Massive Multiplayer Online) and you say you don't want to group with others and would rather be alone? Do you guys really not understand what a MMO is?

You're saying "Yea, I want a MMO, but just without the other players." That's not how it works.

If you want solo content go play Skyrim, or another Elder Scrolls game, and wait for the next one. ZoS said that they would be focusing on grouping and making the game more social before they came out and now all of you are surprised that a MMO doesn't encourage single player?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

I've been watching this thread for a while now, and I can't for the life of me figure out why you even care about this.

So, why do you care? Why did you post this thread?

rlbolab14a_ESO · October 2014

Audigy wrote: »

rlbolab14a_ESO wrote: »

I believe that these people on here blaming the soloer's for there not being any group content may just be focusing their frustrations in the wrong direction. They should be focusing on pushing for more guild/raid/ end game content. Perhaps they should take another page from EQ, I remember raids going into raid zone to kill dragons, or gods. Perhaps we should do the same, Skyrim had dragons in it and ESO has gods in it as well.

Again,

someone does make the mistake in thinking that people who like to play with others automatically must be banished into raids, typical WOW thinking .

Actually, that's my bad, should have been "pushing for more group/raid end game content". raiding is a guild function, sorry, typing fast at work causes errors. So pushing for more group end game and raid end game content instead of attacking solo players was the point I was trying to make in that first half of the paragraph. I went on into raids after that because that's what EQ does best but I believe in the paragraph before that I mentioned how ESO should do what EQ does by putting out content for all three aspects, solo, group and raid. Each expansion that EQ does caters to these three aspects and that's why EQ has survived for over 20 years. ESO has nailed the solo part I believe (i'm only level vr6 though) but from what I hear and see they have failed in the group and raiding aspect of the game.

Jordan.nick11b14_ESO · October 2014

I think the years of being glued to consoles and computers have turned gamers into anti-social players. Back in 98 when EQ1 was out -- EVERYONE grouped and loved it. I mean, there were tons, and tons of groups to be had all the time.

Now, well - like I said, there is 'massive' antisocial streak that runs through gamers and they don't like grouping with other people oddly enough. It's even worse if you ask them to get onto voice coms, very few do it...and even fewer talk.

Still, the best way to find groups is to just send people around your level, or vet rank, a whisper and just ask them.

If they join and you have fun, put them onto the friend's list and stay in touch with them. Try to group again in the future. It's a pretty great way to develop a core of people to play with actually.

Eso does need to develop a way to search through online players...like a /who templar lvl 40 function. It would make searching for group members a lot easier.

RSram · October 2014

Rune_Relic wrote: »

RSram wrote: »

I do see the OP's argument as valid, but ESO was advertised that if you liked Skyrim, you would like ESO. Well Skyrim is a solo game correct?

ESO offers an enormous value for solo players. With the exception of group dungeons, most of the challenges can be done solo.

The OP needs to thank the solo players for continuing to play ESO despite their complaints because these players keep the money rolling in for more game expansions.

Most of the my die hard MMO friend have already canceled their subscription to ESO because the game offered nothing new to the MMO experience, so they played all the content and went back to WOW.

Exactly... so who is the kind of players that actually bankrole the game ?
Who exactly is the loyal player group ?
Those MMO vets will jump ship for the next bestest MMO...as they have demonstrated post after post after post.
Wildstar is coming. Camelot undaunted is coming. Wow expansion is coming...blah blah blah.
Then the few remaining MMO vets tell the solo players from TES to bugger off ?
Great thinking batman.

1) Solo players contribute to the game expansions as much as any other type of player through their feedback and their monthly subscriptions. I didn't infer that ESO doesn't depend on die hard players for testing new content; I agree with you that the MMO vets are the ones mostly testing the new content because most of it so far is for group content. I have no complaints with that, and I thank all the MMO vets for putting all the effort in helping to make ESO a better MMO.

2) I didn't state that ALL die hard MMO players will jump ship, just my friends who are die-hard WOW players. My statement is true in that regards. They are also Elder Scroll fans, but no longer play ESO because they didn't see much innovation in the game that costs $15 dollars a month to play. Any I did say "MOST", some of them are still playing because they love the ESO lore.

3) BTW, I love Batman and I think he will kick Superman's *ss in the "2016 Superman vs Batman" movie. So thanks for the compliment!

RSram · October 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

Are there any other recently released MMOs that do force you to do group content in order to reach max level?

Neither recent nor old. Every MMO I have played (that is, almost all western) has at least one way to reach max level in solo, usually by providing multiple paths to quest and get there. So later you can level new alts playing another quests path and don't even feel the repetition of the same tasks.

ESO, on the other side, is extremely scarce, in the sense that in order to level up you REALLY have to beat the maps inch by inch and do everything just to keep up your level synced with the maps intended players level.

This:
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/09c7ww/living-to-win

That was Southparks greatest episode! You point is well taken.

RSram · October 2014

For those who forgot, ESO is a Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game (MMORPG).

There is nothing in this definition that states the game must have group content.

Merlin13KAGL · October 2014

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

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@bosmern_ESO, I'm impressed. When the initial post gets one of those ^ and you still manage to get numerous people riled up and ticked off, that's impressive.

The reality of it is, even with a million other people online, you're not always going to sync up, want to do the same things at the same time, level at the same rate, or have the same IRL schedules.

There should be content to fit all tastes. That's how these things succeed, and they're doing their best to balance and keep up.

'Group only' quickly can become 'selective group only' which can quickly become 'restrictive group only.'

If it's to thrive, it has to cater to the Masses...lest it cease to become Massive

Merlin13KAGL · October 2014

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Similarly, some people live and breathe PVP, and for others it's not their cup of team.

Hey @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ , is that like a Group Joke?