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Does Entropy Rising Get Special Treatment?
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BadgerRider1✭✭✭Back on topic: Bugs, imbalances, nerfs, etc. are standard fare for any MMO, but I believe that ZM is courting disaster by offering perks to any group that it is not also offering to the masses.
The folks at ER are nothing special. Math is not hard, nor is time dedicated in PTS. Many people lack the time to figure out the info that ER provides, and undoubtedly many appreciate it, but please...it is not rocket science...not even close.
This being said, those guilds/groups that are feeling overly special need to get over that and ZM needs to stop throwing bones to limited groups and start throwing them to everyone. There is no profit in these non-special guilds ZM...please get over it!
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Game is in really bad shape and i really dont care if one guild is having 5 days advantage over all other players if it will get this game somewhere. Basically getting gear and respecs in ESO are so cheep so it is really quite possible to replicate whatever build / gear u want in 5 days. Fact is that ER is publishing great deal of their endeavours and very soon other guys would pick up new tricks so even if that is truth - its irrelevant. Fact is that we all know that magic NB is quite ok regarding dps and still people will rightfully say that game is in bad state due to magic/stamina imbalance. Repairing this game for sure cant be done through cosmetic surgery it asks for reconstructive surgery. As far that kind of deal can repair game i dont care with whom ZOS is making deals if they are introducing drastic changes in their approach to repairing the game.0
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BadgerRider1✭✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »this thread =
Curious....what are you alluding to as a "Witch hunt"?
Privately conveyed, unknown to the general public information?
If that is the case, call it what you want. The rest of us not in the minority "special" guilds call it ***!
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Well i never said that people should be able to have an opinion but based on seeing what their in game accomplishments are one could more or less make a judgement call whether they really are likely to make a good point about a certain issue. Now that doesn't guarantee anything but statistically it should make it easier to actually acquire real info from these forums as apposed to emotional outbursts from people who hardly play the game and just use the forums to get attention.BadgerRider1 wrote: »As in real life you wouldn't ask a guy at a McDonnalds drive though for legal advise. In game you should also know what sort of game related credentials people have when they post about in game issues.
Fair enough. Now, in your mind, what would qualify a person to discuss a skill, say one learned at level 40?
Is it a person who grabbed that skill at 40 and morphed and used it till level VR12? Or only one who used it in trials, or only one who used it in dungeons? What about PvP?
You are talking about experience, but who's type of experience is to be used as the basis for acceptance/rejection in order to be considered "worthy" of discussing a topic?
PS also so i could find these people in cyro, kill them in the most aggravating fashion and and t-bag them till the have a stroke in RL from raging so hard.
PPS that stuff in PS was totaly a joke. Cause i'd never do something like that being a super nice person and all that! Honest!I have to give a credit to AD pack of Vampires with VR10 Night Mistress leading them (seriously VR10 10 days after the official release?).
Night Mistress - v12 Former Empress Sorcerer AD
Night Mistress II - v12 Night Blade AD1 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Doctoruniverse wrote: »I agree with Mablung, ZOS conduct has been shameful in this instance.
And trying to save it now only makes it worse.
Honestly, guys. This is nothing new. WoW devs have talked to the top guilds like Paragon, Vodka, and Blood Legion outside of the forums. They did the same thing in FFXIV:ARR, except in Japanese.
You are missing the point. No one is saying that is not fine to speak with guilds, sharing of information is the issue. They have knowledge about the game that could possibly give them an advantage over the rest of the community. Without sharing that information in an official manner, the elitist guilds will continue to have more say than your average gamer. We all pay the same at purchase and in subscription. Their voice should be no louder than anyone else.
i can see things like this happening. I know some guilds go so far as to do thier own interviews with the producers, like order of the blue garter, then you wonder what really got them the world firts(s)2 -
BadgerRider1✭✭✭
Well i never said that people should be able to have an opinion but based on seeing what their in game accomplishments are one could more or less make a judgement call whether they really are likely to make a good point about a certain issue. Now that doesn't guarantee anything but statistically it should make it easier to actually acquire real info from these forums as apposed to emotional outbursts from people who hardly play the game and just use the forums to get attention.BadgerRider1 wrote: »As in real life you wouldn't ask a guy at a McDonnalds drive though for legal advise. In game you should also know what sort of game related credentials people have when they post about in game issues.
Fair enough. Now, in your mind, what would qualify a person to discuss a skill, say one learned at level 40?
Is it a person who grabbed that skill at 40 and morphed and used it till level VR12? Or only one who used it in trials, or only one who used it in dungeons? What about PvP?
You are talking about experience, but who's type of experience is to be used as the basis for acceptance/rejection in order to be considered "worthy" of discussing a topic?
PS also so i could find these people in cyro, kill them in the most aggravating fashion and and t-bag them till the have a stroke in RL from raging so hard.
PPS that stuff in PS was totaly a joke. Cause i'd never do something like that being a super nice person and all that! Honest!
Ok...I assume you meant you never said that people shouldn't have an opinion.
My point is that you are asking for this stuff. Why does that matter? You are not a decision maker for this game. Take what they say at face value, or ask them directly for what you want to know.
The only people who need to know, and might legitimately weigh a persons "status" are those employees that already have more than enough information at their fingertips.
Everyone, no matter how low level or skilled has an equal right to be heard. Only ZM personnel can decide whether or not to weight them based on game experience.
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ShADoW0s✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »More often than not, we hear the same things over and over (such as Templars, weapons skills/stamina builds, and heavy armor needing improvements and in some case fixes, changes needed to make PvP more rewarding, etc.)
The Vr level!!! How can you miss that? Every site talks about it.1 -
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✭BadgerRider1 wrote: »Ok...I assume you meant you never said that people shouldn't have an opinion.
My point is that you are asking for this stuff. Why does that matter? You are not a decision maker for this game. Take what they say at face value, or ask them directly for what you want to know.
The only people who need to know, and might legitimately weigh a persons "status" are those employees that already have more than enough information at their fingertips.
Everyone, no matter how low level or skilled has an equal right to be heard. Only ZM personnel can decide whether or not to weight them based on game experience.
Very nice post and well said. I was trying to get this across as well in my earlier post but failed since it was "to big".
This is of course how things work. I still get surprised how many people are trying to dictate what you are allowed to say or not.
My concern is that on these forums, ESO Mods may simply stop focusing on what we are saying and seek information elsewhere, because a few users are constantly "deciding" what people can or can not say. And even in what way to say it. It creates a "bad" base for a wide area of ideas. Good as bad.
I am so sure that free speech is the solution to many problems, like we have on these forums.
I even say that users who post as they where mods here, have the right to speak out just like everyone else, but having the right to say anything is not the same as being right.
Well put. Short and to the point.
Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
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Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭Many a game have suffered due to poor communication. Transparency breeds empathy breeds understanding breeds patience.
However avoiding your community and flat out lying when you do address them creates a toxic environment creates a toxic community.
Game>developers> Communication>Community
This is the chain. If there is a break in the chain it all goes teets up.4 -
so we have a guild powered by the developers. well thats nothing new. just the leaderboard is new.... well i would say the developers made it for themself
big ups, now we know why the game is like it is... xD
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limeli8✭✭✭BadgerRider1 wrote: »
Well i never said that people should be able to have an opinion but based on seeing what their in game accomplishments are one could more or less make a judgement call whether they really are likely to make a good point about a certain issue. Now that doesn't guarantee anything but statistically it should make it easier to actually acquire real info from these forums as apposed to emotional outbursts from people who hardly play the game and just use the forums to get attention.BadgerRider1 wrote: »As in real life you wouldn't ask a guy at a McDonnalds drive though for legal advise. In game you should also know what sort of game related credentials people have when they post about in game issues.
Fair enough. Now, in your mind, what would qualify a person to discuss a skill, say one learned at level 40?
Is it a person who grabbed that skill at 40 and morphed and used it till level VR12? Or only one who used it in trials, or only one who used it in dungeons? What about PvP?
You are talking about experience, but who's type of experience is to be used as the basis for acceptance/rejection in order to be considered "worthy" of discussing a topic?
PS also so i could find these people in cyro, kill them in the most aggravating fashion and and t-bag them till the have a stroke in RL from raging so hard.
PPS that stuff in PS was totaly a joke. Cause i'd never do something like that being a super nice person and all that! Honest!
Ok...I assume you meant you never said that people shouldn't have an opinion.
My point is that you are asking for this stuff. Why does that matter? You are not a decision maker for this game. Take what they say at face value, or ask them directly for what you want to know.
The only people who need to know, and might legitimately weigh a persons "status" are those employees that already have more than enough information at their fingertips.
Everyone, no matter how low level or skilled has an equal right to be heard. Only ZM personnel can decide whether or not to weight them based on game experience.
Well it seems i ether got totally misunderstood or misinterpreted on purpose. Ether way i lost all interest in this thread. Bye!!I have to give a credit to AD pack of Vampires with VR10 Night Mistress leading them (seriously VR10 10 days after the official release?).
Night Mistress - v12 Former Empress Sorcerer AD
Night Mistress II - v12 Night Blade AD1 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »i can see things like this happening. I know some guilds go so far as to do thier own interviews with the producers, like order of the blue garter, then you wonder what really got them the world firts(s)
If you ever read BG forums you would know why the DEVs are speaking to them.
They simply know very well what they are talking about, unlike 95% of the playerbase.
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NakedSnake✭✭✭I still don't see the problem. Quite frankly they should allow their betters to take the reigns by giving them full control over game mechanics."Brilliant! Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"3 -
Argurios✭✭yes this worrying imo. it makes for a situation where a power gaming min/max guild can appear to speak for the community at large.. not a healthy place for the game to go imo
Basically this, not only is it unhealthy for the game, its just damn annoying. Its like their quick fix to show they 'listen to the community' is to pick an easily identifiable group and listen to them. Well that ticks that box for them, while not actually addressing the issues of the community unless it affects min/maxing.
This game already got min/max speednerfed to death. Seriously, all PVE in this game amounts to now is casters with Impulse and other AOE nuking everything. Melee is pointless. No fun at all." Experience is a hard mistress, she gives the test first, the lesson after... "
Argurios Ultor - Imperial Templar
Caradoc Coldblade - Redguard Nightblade
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hamon✭✭✭✭✭
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Well i never said that people should be able to have an opinion but based on seeing what their in game accomplishments are one could more or less make a judgement call whether they really are likely to make a good point about a certain issue. Now that doesn't guarantee anything but statistically it should make it easier to actually acquire real info from these forums as apposed to emotional outbursts from people who hardly play the game and just use the forums to get attention.BadgerRider1 wrote: »As in real life you wouldn't ask a guy at a McDonnalds drive though for legal advise. In game you should also know what sort of game related credentials people have when they post about in game issues.
Fair enough. Now, in your mind, what would qualify a person to discuss a skill, say one learned at level 40?
Is it a person who grabbed that skill at 40 and morphed and used it till level VR12? Or only one who used it in trials, or only one who used it in dungeons? What about PvP?
You are talking about experience, but who's type of experience is to be used as the basis for acceptance/rejection in order to be considered "worthy" of discussing a topic?
PS also so i could find these people in cyro, kill them in the most aggravating fashion and and t-bag them till the have a stroke in RL from raging so hard.
PPS that stuff in PS was totaly a joke. Cause i'd never do something like that being a super nice person and all that! Honest!
if you are a spokesperson for ER i would seriously stop posting , you might not mean it but there is a superiority complex and arrogance and mild distain for "lesser players" noticable in your posts...
this just serves to reinforce peoples belief that you are a bunch of elitists who seem to think it's your god given right to be listened to over the plebs on the forum.
with every post where you try to say the opposite you probably just convince even more people you absolutely shouldnt be given "special" treatment
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limeli8✭✭✭
Well i never said that people should be able to have an opinion but based on seeing what their in game accomplishments are one could more or less make a judgement call whether they really are likely to make a good point about a certain issue. Now that doesn't guarantee anything but statistically it should make it easier to actually acquire real info from these forums as apposed to emotional outbursts from people who hardly play the game and just use the forums to get attention.BadgerRider1 wrote: »As in real life you wouldn't ask a guy at a McDonnalds drive though for legal advise. In game you should also know what sort of game related credentials people have when they post about in game issues.
Fair enough. Now, in your mind, what would qualify a person to discuss a skill, say one learned at level 40?
Is it a person who grabbed that skill at 40 and morphed and used it till level VR12? Or only one who used it in trials, or only one who used it in dungeons? What about PvP?
You are talking about experience, but who's type of experience is to be used as the basis for acceptance/rejection in order to be considered "worthy" of discussing a topic?
PS also so i could find these people in cyro, kill them in the most aggravating fashion and and t-bag them till the have a stroke in RL from raging so hard.
PPS that stuff in PS was totaly a joke. Cause i'd never do something like that being a super nice person and all that! Honest!
if you are a spokesperson for ER i would seriously stop posting , you might not mean it but there is a superiority complex and arrogance and mild distain for "lesser players" noticable in your posts...
this just serves to reinforce peoples belief that you are a bunch of elitists who seem to think it's your god given right to be listened to over the plebs on the forum.
with every post where you try to say the opposite you probably just convince even more people you absolutely shouldnt be given "special" treatment
Lol i guess i have to reply to this one... No i'm not in anyway part of ER. And regarding what i said lol. I have no disdain for "lesser players". I have disdain for loudmouths who have little to no knowledge about the issues they are so very vocal about. Their only purpose is stirring controversy and getting attention while ruining the forums for anyone who actually comes here for real info and some sanity. Just look around and see whats been said in this thread or a lot of the others and you'll see why so many players don't even come here and instead go to redit or TF. And before anyone even starts going "omg are you talking about me? /righteous anger!". I did not point any fingers.I have to give a credit to AD pack of Vampires with VR10 Night Mistress leading them (seriously VR10 10 days after the official release?).
Night Mistress - v12 Former Empress Sorcerer AD
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hamon✭✭✭✭✭
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Well i never said that people should be able to have an opinion but based on seeing what their in game accomplishments are one could more or less make a judgement call whether they really are likely to make a good point about a certain issue. Now that doesn't guarantee anything but statistically it should make it easier to actually acquire real info from these forums as apposed to emotional outbursts from people who hardly play the game and just use the forums to get attention.BadgerRider1 wrote: »As in real life you wouldn't ask a guy at a McDonnalds drive though for legal advise. In game you should also know what sort of game related credentials people have when they post about in game issues.
Fair enough. Now, in your mind, what would qualify a person to discuss a skill, say one learned at level 40?
Is it a person who grabbed that skill at 40 and morphed and used it till level VR12? Or only one who used it in trials, or only one who used it in dungeons? What about PvP?
You are talking about experience, but who's type of experience is to be used as the basis for acceptance/rejection in order to be considered "worthy" of discussing a topic?
PS also so i could find these people in cyro, kill them in the most aggravating fashion and and t-bag them till the have a stroke in RL from raging so hard.
PPS that stuff in PS was totaly a joke. Cause i'd never do something like that being a super nice person and all that! Honest!
if you are a spokesperson for ER i would seriously stop posting , you might not mean it but there is a superiority complex and arrogance and mild distain for "lesser players" noticable in your posts...
this just serves to reinforce peoples belief that you are a bunch of elitists who seem to think it's your god given right to be listened to over the plebs on the forum.
with every post where you try to say the opposite you probably just convince even more people you absolutely shouldnt be given "special" treatment
Lol i guess i have to reply to this one... No i'm not in anyway part of ER. And regarding what i said lol. I have no disdain for "lesser players". I have disdain for loudmouths who have little to no knowledge about the issues they are so very vocal about. Their only purpose is stirring controversy and getting attention while ruining the forums for anyone who actually comes here for real info and some sanity. Just look around and see whats been said in this thread or a lot of the others and you'll see why so many players don't even come here and instead go to redit or TF. And before anyone even starts going "omg are you talking about me? /righteous anger!". I did not point any fingers.
on any forum you get a % of complete crap. i doubt TF is any diffrent. i know every one ive been on is roughly the same. That being said you also get a percentage of really good ideas and info.
what you also get is a good spectrum of who is actually playing the game.
from complete idiots to very skilled mature players. If you choose to ignore that in favor of a small elitist segment of your player base you do yourself (as a company) and the game a disservice imo.
i dont want to generalise. but a large percentage of the casual players nowadays have done their years of being the harcore power gamers . Thats before children and proper jobs made that level of dedication to gaming an imposibility. These people however have a wealth of experience and are often in the position of being able to see both sides of the coin.
Choosing to ignore such people in favor of this generations power gamers simply cos they assume they are the most knowledgable about this game is simply a mistake imo.
not only a mistake a PR blunder. Making a large percentage of your player base feel like second class (even if that isnt the case) is monumentally stupid.
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not only a mistake a PR blunder. Making a large percentage of your player base feel like second class (even if that isnt the case) is monumentally stupid.
IndeedCharacter: Eros, Eros I I, The Paw of Woe
Class: Templar Healer/MagWarden/ Stam Sorc
Alliance: DC
Campaign: Vivec (pc/na)
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✭✭✭✭✭Last night a representative from ZOS joined my guild on teamspeak for a roughly two hour discussion on the game, including what we feel is wrong with the game right now (and yes, we brought up a lot of hot topics on the forums like stamina vs magicka, vet rank levelling, templar/nightblade issues, discrepancy between armor and weapon types, so on and so forth) as well as what we'd like to see in the future.
Unfortunately it was requested that none of what was said be posted outside of our member forums, so I cant relay anything specific. All I'll say is that they definitely do see what gets suggested and posted on these forums, most top guilds are concerned about the same issues as the average player, and that ZOS is really working hard to improve things for everyone. There are a -ton- of changes coming up, and others in the works for later on, that will bring a huge improvement to the game, especially quality of life fixes, balance changes, and improvements to endgame.
Just have patience.i dont want to generalise. but a large percentage of the casual players nowadays have done their years of being the harcore power gamers . Thats before children and proper jobs made that level of dedication to gaming an imposibility. These people however have a wealth of experience and are often in the position of being able to see both sides of the coin.
Choosing to ignore such people in favor of this generations power gamers simply cos they assume they are the most knowledgable about this game is simply a mistake imo.
I cant speak for every other guild that Zenimax speaks to, but my guild in particular is absolutely not what you'd consider the 'power gamer' type. Almost all of our members are older, we hold down jobs, most of us are ex military, we dont play the game 20 hours a day and we're certainly not the type of people that focus on min-maxing stats and having the best times for trial runs or the best pvp group around. If anything we're very much representative of the average ESO player.
It's entirely possible that some of the guilds ZOS is doing these interviews with are the powergamer type, but you should at least be aware that not -all- of them are, so zenimax is getting a wide range of feedback from a large variety of players in the game.Edited by Lynx7386 on June 14, 2014 1:48PMPS4 / NA
M'asad - Khajiit Nightblade - Healer
Pakhet - Khajiit Dragonknight - Tank
Raksha - Khajiit Sorcerer - Stamina DPS
Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
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SwampRaider✭✭✭✭✭Not that this matters anymore, But People were posting PTS patch notes on Tamriel Foundry forums even during the "you cant tell anyone anything about the PTS " period.Character: Eros, Eros I I, The Paw of Woe
Class: Templar Healer/MagWarden/ Stam Sorc
Alliance: DC
Campaign: Vivec (pc/na)
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✭IMO, this is the wrong way to go about. Asking certain guilds and groups about changes/balance issues/bugs, etc is a poor way to go about shaping the game. Are we still living in the 1990's?
Um, can you explain to me what is so wrong with communicating with certain guilds that has proven they understand the game and "beat" the encounters = Hence proving that the encounter is not "To hard"?
Also, why do you think Zenimax ONLY taking information from a few guilds?
Are you saying that Zenimax is not looking at these forums, that they do not have a marketing department that does surveys as you talked about?'
What makes you think Zenimax is not getting as much feedback as possible, both from players and outside people?
There is a /feedback function in the game. Are you saying they do not read those?
The company decides how to develop the game. It is not as simple to say "Everyone wants this feature so we must put it in"
Just because a survey says 1 Million ESO players (An example, I do not believe thats the player number) would demand that for example, PVP gets taken out of ESO. It does NOT mean the company would feel its the right thing to do.
Using calculated surveys as you suggest like facebook, will create the same problem that facebook have/had. You can not trust the score to be correct, because just like you stated, we are not in 1990. There are technology to vote multiple times from 1 place, making it look like it was from several users.
And even IF the survey was correct and every answer was from 1 person, what the company decides to do with the information is up to them. I work in business and rely on feedback and marketing research just like you describe, but what to do, NEVER is based only on what the survey says. Its based on what the company choose is best for them.
All current MMOs, wants as much information about feedback as possible. No exception.
I do not believe Zenimax bases their choices only by talking to a few guilds.
Do you?Edited by Cogo on June 14, 2014 2:56PMOghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
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Venithar✭✭✭Unfortunately it was requested that none of what was said be posted outside of our member forums, so I cant relay anything specific.
This right here is the issue people are talking about. Why should your guild, or any other guild, be given special information/attention. It was requested that only your members get to know about it... how nice...Edited by Venithar on June 14, 2014 1:55PM6 -
ExiledKhallisi✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Hi folks,
Wanted to pop in here and offer some clarification. The Community Team does indeed participate in regular voice chats with some of our most active guilds. The guilds we're currently in regular talks with are a good mix of PvP, PvE, and casual. In addition to reading the forums and fansites, this helps us to better understand what the main issues are and their severity, where the best opportunities for improvement are, and identify what everyone wants more details on. More often than not, we hear the same things over and over (such as Templars, weapons skills/stamina builds, and heavy armor needing improvements and in some case fixes, changes needed to make PvP more rewarding, etc.)
These talks do not replace or hold more value to us than what we read here on our official forums, and are often done in the late evening on our own time. It adds another layer of valuable insight, and gives us the opportunity to ask about things in-person that we need clarification or more details on.
All that said, we are doing what we can, when we can, to get in here and answer your questions more often.
I'm going to jump in here and say....bs...
I am the guild leader of Biestas. We have over 400 active members. Vent. Website etc.. and no one has communicated with us. I highly reccomend communicating with the majority here on your forums rather then a select few "end game" zealots. I am rather dissapointed really in the lack of communication on the official forums. Its really a simple task. Your private chats with them actually do "hold more value" in terms of core gameplay mecbanics and future changes along with theory crafting. Reach out to your community and watch how these forums transform from a river of rage and tears to one that flourishes in ingenuity.>>>>>>>>(DC)Guild Master of Biestas 250+ Active Members<<<<<<<<||||||Vr14 Sorc: Darkened Soul vr14 Templar: Tiffaney||||||“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
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Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Omg they are not given any special information/attention, got it?
The DEVs are just speaking with them, as they are representing part of the playerbase.
If they didnt, you would whine because they didnt.2 -
hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Last night a representative from ZOS joined my guild on teamspeak for a roughly two hour discussion on the game, including what we feel is wrong with the game right now (and yes, we brought up a lot of hot topics on the forums like stamina vs magicka, vet rank levelling, templar/nightblade issues, discrepancy between armor and weapon types, so on and so forth) as well as what we'd like to see in the future.
Unfortunately it was requested that none of what was said be posted outside of our member forums, so I cant relay anything specific. All I'll say is that they definitely do see what gets suggested and posted on these forums, most top guilds are concerned about the same issues as the average player, and that ZOS is really working hard to improve things for everyone. There are a -ton- of changes coming up, and others in the works for later on, that will bring a huge improvement to the game, especially quality of life fixes, balance changes, and improvements to endgame.
Just have patience.i dont want to generalise. but a large percentage of the casual players nowadays have done their years of being the harcore power gamers . Thats before children and proper jobs made that level of dedication to gaming an imposibility. These people however have a wealth of experience and are often in the position of being able to see both sides of the coin.
Choosing to ignore such people in favor of this generations power gamers simply cos they assume they are the most knowledgable about this game is simply a mistake imo.
I cant speak for every other guild that Zenimax speaks to, but my guild in particular is absolutely not what you'd consider the 'power gamer' type. Almost all of our members are older, we hold down jobs, most of us are ex military, we dont play the game 20 hours a day and we're certainly not the type of people that focus on min-maxing stats and having the best times for trial runs or the best pvp group around. If anything we're very much representative of the average ESO player.
It's entirely possible that some of the guilds ZOS is doing these interviews with are the powergamer type, but you should at least be aware that not -all- of them are, so zenimax is getting a wide range of feedback from a large variety of players in the game.
no i dont claim to know the inner workings of the guilds they communicate with. I was carefull to point out that I was generalising. my point is that it's the perception of seeming to only disseminate information with select groups that is bad. However reflective they are or arn't of the population in general.
For community cohesion they should release information to everyone or nobody. that should be a policy that isnt up for debate. I can see no reason whatsoever to feel that certain information is for some ears only . if its worthy of telling some folk its worth telling everyone.
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Venithar✭✭✭Omg they are not given any special information/attention, got it?
The DEVs are just speaking with them, as they are representing part of the playerbase.
If they didnt, you would whine because they didnt.
You know this for a fact? Are you in Lynx's guild or did you just happen to get access to their member forums? Can you say with 100% accuracy that nothing that was said (that no one outside their guild gets to know about) would effect me in any way? or that the information they talked about is something that I can freely find anywhere?Edited by Venithar on June 14, 2014 2:07PM2 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭You know this for a fact? Are you in Lynx's guild or did you just happen to get access to their member forums? Can you say with 100% accuracy that nothing that was said (that no one outside their guild gets to know about) would effect me in any way? or that they information they talked about is something that I can freely find anywhere?
You know for a fact they are given informations by the DEVs?
Because if you dont, its all babbling and witchunting.
Dev gets in a guild chat: "hey guys how do you like the game? what bothers you? what do you think should be a top priority for us? cool thanks a lot, we will keep that in mind".
Community goes crazy!
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✭✭✭✭✭This right here is the issue people are talking about. Why should your guild, or any other guild, be given special information/attention. It was requested that only your members get to know about it... how nice...
The reason we were given is pretty simple... "Interviews" require permission from the company's PR department, and have a lot more rules that go along with them, including what information can be given.
These are not official interviews, they're off-hours discussions between a ZOS representative and the players of a particular guild. The backlash from the PR department if any information was inadvertently 'slipped' in an unofficial and unsanctioned interview could cause the zenimax rep to lose his or her job.
We were not privy to any particularly 'secret' or 'special' information during the discussion. In fact, most of the responses to our questions were "I dont know" or "I'll relay that to the team". The actual responses we were given often could be found in upcoming patch notes or even in the knowledge database available to all players via this website.
We werent being given information so much as giving feedback that could be relayed to the developers regarding the concerns of the average player.I'm going to jump in here and say....bs...
I am the guild leader of Biestas. We have over 400 active members. Vent. Website etc.. and no one has communicated with us. I highly reccomend communicating with the majority here on your forums rather then a select few "end game" zealots. I am rather dissapointed really in the lack of communication on the official forums. Its really a simple task. Your private chats with them actually do "hold more value" in terms of core gameplay mecbanics and future changes along with theory crafting. Reach out to your community and watch how these forums transform from a river of rage and tears to one that flourishes in ingenuity.
400 members is not considered particularly large, and anyone can pay for a vent server and website.
My guild is a gaming community that spans dozens of games with thousands of players worldwide. They have recognition, and that's probably what brought them to zenimax's attention for these discussions.
You claim that ZOS is only talking to 'endgame zealots', and that simply isnt true. As I stated before, we're mostly older players that have responsibilities and on average dont spend more than 2-3 hours a day playing the game. We're not minmaxers, we're not powergamers, we're not pvp zealots, we're average players with real concerns about the game - the same concerns that are brought up on these forums daily, and zenimax takes both sources of feedback into account.Omg they are not given any special information/attention, got it?
The DEVs are just speaking with them, as they are representing part of the playerbase.
If they didnt, you would whine because they didnt.
I should also note that it is -not- developers that are speaking with guilds, they're representatives. They have no direct hand in game development, but serve as a way to pass on information between the players and the developers.
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