AlexDougherty wrote: »

DKs have been nerfed, but not as badly as some say.
Nightblades however were bad right from the start, I have played one, and unless you have the right build/race/gear combo it's near impossible to get anywhere with them.

Yeah I agree 100% with the nightblade thing, however I just changed to a magicka staff using build (despite hating it with a passion) so I could get through content easier and I find that to be perfectly balanced, it is the weapon and stamina synergy that makes them so bad.

I enjoy 1v1 DK fights that are the same level as me if I get the jump. They are a challenge and often last longer then any other 1v1's. I have balanced my Nightblade quite well.. Moderate damage and survival. This choice hinders me 1v1's when I don't get a successful jump, but if I do.. I can often 1v2 and 1v3 depending on their levels.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

I as a Nightblade, have not had this problem. Were you many levels lower than he/she?

Same level, dk fights are usually fine but some of them are just a brick wall you are trying to break down with a plunger....

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So you finally witnessed how weak bow NB actually is? Grats. But stop blaming DK class.

DK has only ONE (self)healing ability, that costs about half magicka bar (when used by non-light armor squishy caster going full magicka build) and heals just 30% HP IF it's used when almost dead.

But you're essentially saying he was using restoration staff all along (except for the final part). So why do you blame DK? You should blame yourself that you're attacking a healer 1v1 and expect to win. That fight is not winnable in ANY MMORPG that has a healer in it.

Why do these ignorant brats always blame DK class for exploits of Resto staff? Like it's DK's fault that resto staff has all instant heals that cannot be interrupted in any way?

NB are so bad they can 100%-0% any player in light/med in 2 seconds from stealth....

Templar is the #1 class right now that needs help. They are so bad no one wants them for endgame PVE they can't even maintain 500 DPS. They are sub par tanks. They are great healers...temporarily....

I have watched DW nb solo whole pack of vet pub dungeon mobs while they all sat there unable to attack.

Sparks. DKs hate it.

I seem to remember tanky characters always being good against assassin type characters, in pretty much any game. Add the fact that tanks can heal with a restoration staff and its case closed. A tank that specs with a restoration staff will have an edge against any class built like an assassin. Tank is rock, assassin is scissors. In this case at least.

well so what? u were able to last 10 mins as well so then are u op? did you use mark target? etc etc

Until Reflective Scales and Dragon's Blood (both morphs) receive some kind of nerf or counter options, Dragon Knights will always be unbalanced.

The problem is that they can basically turn off ranged damage against them (Reflective Scales) and that they have the best self heal in the game (Dragon's Blood.)

Again, they can either nerf these skills (not my preferred option but seems to be the way ZOS goes about things) or they can offer counters (the better way to go about it but something ZOS rarely does.)

How to Nerf Both Skills

If ZOS chose the less preferred option as is their custom, they could change it so that Reflective Scales mitigates 80% of damage and returns the projectile rather than mitigating all of the damage. This wouldn't really hurt the skill very much at all in 1v1 fights, but would at least prevent Dragon Knights from being able to tank absurd numbers of players like they currently can with little effort.

For Dragon's Blood it would be as simple as reducing the healing to a reasonable percentage, like 25%, instead of the current 33%.

How To Offer Counters

For Reflective Scales, the answer is simple. Buff non-projectile ranged attacks. This means things like Daedric Curse, Force Shock, and the Restoration Staff heavy attack. They simply need to hit a bit harder so there is some counter play option when you see the DK sprout those wings.

For Dragon's Blood, the answer is simply to bring the healing of the other classes a little closer to on par with Dragon's Blood. For NB I'd simply increase the healing of Strife and/or Refreshing Path (the second of which they already did so NBs might not need any more.) For Templar's I'd reduce the cast time of Healing Ritual. For Sorcs you could either completely rework Dark Exchange (such as making Dark Deal instant cast but provide less return on magicka and more on health) or increase the heal from the Twilight Matriarch (my preferred option because I'd like to see at least one pet made useful in some way.)

Unless you use potions. If a DK uses power bash you cannot stand up for 2 seconds and youre dead. If you powerbash a DK he stands up with 10% hp hits 1 button and is almost full again....tadaaa.

Simple change, make dragon blood a heal over time. Blood transfusions never made you well in an instant anyways.

Oh did I mention that sorcerers self heal Dark Exchange was recently nerfed?
Critical surge only heals you for the amount of damage dealt. Reflect or block reduces the damage and reduces the heal.

DK simply has the best self heal ability in the game by a long shot.

Right, the templar's honor the dead must be worse because it can only heal you for around 1200 health - regardless of how much health you have.

Ever fought a templar using that and sun shield together? It's just as tanky as a DK with dragon blood and reflective scales.

Reflective scales needs to stay exactly the way it is due to the DK lacking any form of mobility, escape or ranged dps.

Nightblades and sorcerers don't need the same kind of self heals as dragonknights and templars do because they have the ability to break combat instead. How does this continiue to elude people?

In PvP, they have the best burst damage and the best escape mechanisms but people still want them have top tier healing, too? Really?

@Brian_Wheeler promise me that you don't give in to this nonsense.

ErykGrimm wrote: »

I seem to remember tanky characters always being good against assassin type characters, in pretty much any game.

Lol. You should try LoTRO then Both tanking classes get destroyed by burglars in a matter of seconds.

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Also, it's spammable, while also healing for a ton (if you think that being able to heal 1/3rd of your health at almost any time is minor, try playing with, say, a HoT (Swallow Soul) as your only on-call healing ability).

I think you're missing part of the skill description. It heals 1/3 of your missing health and costs quite a bit. At level 50 it costs roughly 500 magicka and so if you're at your magicka cap you can use it like 4 times in a row. There's also no point whatsoever in spamming it due to diminishing returns again because of it healing for 1/3 of missing health.

The 1v1 that went for 10 minutes straight....

Yes, Classes are not fully balanced yet. Thanks Captain Obvious.

I expected misbalances to exist in a new game, especially a MMO.
I also expect the bulk to be solved within the first 6 months after launch. We recentyl started the 3rd month. With it never being fully free of them (because MMO are just too complex to have 100% balance and bug freeness).