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Very Interesting - Some Zenimax Business News
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Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Swtor did the same thing . Ironicaly in ireland as well. Belfast i believe. Roghly 6weeks post launch. Not a good sign.if we see them retract promised content it will be a sure sign s F2p hybrid model in the cash shop is coming and the milk factory has begun just like the hutt expan being taken away from subs and offered as dlc
Same with TSW, customer service were first canned.
As a counter-example though, Blizzard let a TON of customer service people go a few years ago, and WOW didn't go F2P.
Blizzard let go the CS reps after WoW subs peaked. The biggest difference I noticed before that RIF was the dropoff in players complaining about being hacked. The catalyst probably was the authenticator which Blizzard started using in 2008. The culture in WoW shifted from 'Blizzard let your account get hacked! Blizzard fix your security!' to 'why didn't you have an authenticator on your account?'
Anyway, just anecdotally, EU players in eso didn't post that much to the CS forums as I pointed out a while ago. Some thought that EU players mainly posted to the English forums. If that news article is true, it turns out that people in the EU aren't that into eso or at least not into eso as ZOS/Bethesda anticipated. Score one for anecdotal evidence.
As an EU player myself that selected NA population over EU (because either way we were going to be jacked with latency issues) it isn't that we are not "as into" ESO, we simply were not happy about being mislead (lied to blatantly) about getting EU stationed/supported servers to answer the latency issues. EU players , for most part, are simply not as vocal as North American players nor do a lot of us feel entitled to every little thing and just move on.
So please, do not presume to know what we think or want or are interested in.
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wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Swtor did the same thing . Ironicaly in ireland as well. Belfast i believe. Roghly 6weeks post launch. Not a good sign.if we see them retract promised content it will be a sure sign s F2p hybrid model in the cash shop is coming and the milk factory has begun just like the hutt expan being taken away from subs and offered as dlc
Same with TSW, customer service were first canned.
As a counter-example though, Blizzard let a TON of customer service people go a few years ago, and WOW didn't go F2P.
Blizzard let go the CS reps after WoW subs peaked. The biggest difference I noticed before that RIF was the dropoff in players complaining about being hacked. The catalyst probably was the authenticator which Blizzard started using in 2008. The culture in WoW shifted from 'Blizzard let your account get hacked! Blizzard fix your security!' to 'why didn't you have an authenticator on your account?'
Anyway, just anecdotally, EU players in eso didn't post that much to the CS forums as I pointed out a while ago. Some thought that EU players mainly posted to the English forums. If that news article is true, it turns out that people in the EU aren't that into eso or at least not into eso as ZOS/Bethesda anticipated. Score one for anecdotal evidence.
As an EU player myself that selected NA population over EU (because either way we were going to be jacked with latency issues) it isn't that we are not "as into" ESO, we simply were not happy about being mislead (lied to blatantly) about getting EU stationed/supported servers to answer the latency issues. EU players , for most part, are simply not as vocal as North American players nor do a lot of us feel entitled to every little thing and just move on.
So please, do not presume to know what we think or want or are interested in.
If EU had 1 million subscribers today, I'd bet that there would be a megaserver in EU today.2 -
Lalai✭✭✭✭Ker.Rakb16_ESO wrote: »Do you really think that ZO didn't know about the console delay until May? If the team responsible for the console port is even remotely well managed, they would have known about missing their deadline (by 6+ months, no less) at least a couple of months in advance.
Not to mention that they immediately came out with that "switch from PC to console for 20 bucks" scheme that would realistically have taken at least a couple of weeks to get pitched, analysed for feasability, and approved by management.
I don't think that no one knew. I think that HR was not made aware until very, very near the public announcement date. That kind of stuff happens quite often to prevent leaks of NDA info. Stuff is kept secret, including layoffs, until the last possible moment.Fisher extraordinaire!
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✭Ker.Rakb16_ESO wrote: »Do you really think that ZO didn't know about the console delay until May? If the team responsible for the console port is even remotely well managed, they would have known about missing their deadline (by 6+ months, no less) at least a couple of months in advance.
Not to mention that they immediately came out with that "switch from PC to console for 20 bucks" scheme that would realistically have taken at least a couple of weeks to get pitched, analysed for feasability, and approved by management.
I don't think that no one knew. I think that HR was not made aware until very, very near the public announcement date. That kind of stuff happens quite often to prevent leaks of NDA info. Stuff is kept secret, including layoffs, until the last possible moment.
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you figure by now temp(lars) would be used to getting kicked from groups Kappa1 -
Talemire✭✭✭
Temps, interns, and contractors get no respect, and typically no benefits. You know what to expect going in as a temporary worker. For every instance where a temp is let go early, there is one that stays twice the duration of their contract, and some even get hired in. Win some, you lose some. Don't like it? Find a permanent job.Temporary or not, there's still a respect to be had for these workers. Three weeks then let go is ludicrous and grossly unprofessional. Was it wrong to let them go? No - It was wrong to hire them in the first place. There's not a trace of regard here for these people's lives, families, etc. People are not like Peons where you can just group select them and execute them by pressing "delete" when they have no more use. I don't know a single person who would have taken this job knowing they would only be there for a few weeks. This whole situation is ethically messed up.
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Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »wrlifeboil wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Swtor did the same thing . Ironicaly in ireland as well. Belfast i believe. Roghly 6weeks post launch. Not a good sign.if we see them retract promised content it will be a sure sign s F2p hybrid model in the cash shop is coming and the milk factory has begun just like the hutt expan being taken away from subs and offered as dlc
Same with TSW, customer service were first canned.
As a counter-example though, Blizzard let a TON of customer service people go a few years ago, and WOW didn't go F2P.
Blizzard let go the CS reps after WoW subs peaked. The biggest difference I noticed before that RIF was the dropoff in players complaining about being hacked. The catalyst probably was the authenticator which Blizzard started using in 2008. The culture in WoW shifted from 'Blizzard let your account get hacked! Blizzard fix your security!' to 'why didn't you have an authenticator on your account?'
Anyway, just anecdotally, EU players in eso didn't post that much to the CS forums as I pointed out a while ago. Some thought that EU players mainly posted to the English forums. If that news article is true, it turns out that people in the EU aren't that into eso or at least not into eso as ZOS/Bethesda anticipated. Score one for anecdotal evidence.
As an EU player myself that selected NA population over EU (because either way we were going to be jacked with latency issues) it isn't that we are not "as into" ESO, we simply were not happy about being mislead (lied to blatantly) about getting EU stationed/supported servers to answer the latency issues. EU players , for most part, are simply not as vocal as North American players nor do a lot of us feel entitled to every little thing and just move on.
So please, do not presume to know what we think or want or are interested in.
If EU had 1 million subscribers today, I'd bet that there would be a megaserver in EU today.
I would never pretend we did, NA doesn't either. Not even by half.
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✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Swtor did the same thing . Ironicaly in ireland as well. Belfast i believe. Roghly 6weeks post launch. Not a good sign.if we see them retract promised content it will be a sure sign s F2p hybrid model in the cash shop is coming and the milk factory has begun just like the hutt expan being taken away from subs and offered as dlc
Same with TSW, customer service were first canned.
As a counter-example though, Blizzard let a TON of customer service people go a few years ago, and WOW didn't go F2P.
Always good to compare to WoW.....3 -
Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
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Temps, interns, and contractors get no respect, and typically no benefits. You know what to expect going in as a temporary worker. For every instance where a temp is let go early, there is one that stays twice the duration of their contract, and some even get hired in. Win some, you lose some. Don't like it? Find a permanent job.Temporary or not, there's still a respect to be had for these workers. Three weeks then let go is ludicrous and grossly unprofessional. Was it wrong to let them go? No - It was wrong to hire them in the first place. There's not a trace of regard here for these people's lives, families, etc. People are not like Peons where you can just group select them and execute them by pressing "delete" when they have no more use. I don't know a single person who would have taken this job knowing they would only be there for a few weeks. This whole situation is ethically messed up.
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Yes because there are plenty of jobs hiring permamently.2 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭gougefub17_ESO wrote: »No EU Server??
connachttribune.ie/galway-jobs-blow-300-gone-software-firm/
However, no confirmation for other sources.
EDIT: This may have just been temps to handle the rollout.
The game has been made.
You don't need 300 jobs to keep the servers online and create new content.2 -
Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Swtor did the same thing . Ironicaly in ireland as well. Belfast i believe. Roghly 6weeks post launch. Not a good sign.if we see them retract promised content it will be a sure sign s F2p hybrid model in the cash shop is coming and the milk factory has begun just like the hutt expan being taken away from subs and offered as dlc
Same with TSW, customer service were first canned.
As a counter-example though, Blizzard let a TON of customer service people go a few years ago, and WOW didn't go F2P.
Always good to compare to WoW.....
WoW will always be the fall back for posters that don't have anything intelligent or relevant to ass to a discussion. Even the ignorant need a scapegoat when they run low on hot air.
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The game has been made.
You don't need 300 jobs to keep the servers online and create new content.
Man, I bet zenimax is wishing someone had told them that before they hired 300 people AFTER the game had already been released. I think if you send ZoS your resume with the quoted post as your cover letter, you have a good chance of being hired as the CEO. You have real vision, kid.3 -
Daethz✭✭✭Maybe zenimax is giving up on ESO already?
Honestly wouldn't doubt it.
Based on the last four veteran zones I think subs have already declined badly.Waiting, and watching, for the return of Melee Weapons.
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wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭gougefub17_ESO wrote: »No EU Server??
connachttribune.ie/galway-jobs-blow-300-gone-software-firm/
However, no confirmation for other sources.
EDIT: This may have just been temps to handle the rollout.
The game has been made.
You don't need 300 jobs to keep the servers online and create new content.
The article didn't say any devs were let go. The positions mentioned were CS workers in Ireland.0 -
DrOrpheus✭✭People need to read articles and not just the headlines and make these threads, this is the 5th or 6th one ive seen today on various sites, and everyone who posted it failed to actually read the article to understand what was happening.0 -
pecheckler✭✭✭✭✭It's a bunch of temporary employees filling call center positions. What is the big deal? Zenimax did the smart thing and staffed up in case they needed it.
This is no different than the tens of thousands of people hired for temporary holiday positions in retail stores and laid off early so they only qualify for partial unemployment.End the tedious inventory management game.1 -
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✭Oh noes. Temp workers for a system not implemented yet were let go!!!
Clearly the sky is falling chicken little...
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This is the kind of 'news' the negative Gloomers adore, it confirms their suspicions and nonsense predictions. Some just love to live in a negative world. Meantime I got a new zone to explore which I been 'saving' for tonight. Bye.3
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Shiroro✭✭✭All of the other signs are more telling than this. There are a million reasons why you'd let temp employees go. I think telling someone to their face that they're not needed anymore and why they're not needed anymore is more humane than calling on the phone but I'm not in the HR biz.0
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✭✭✭✭I'm in "wait and see mode"
its way to early for doom and gloom, I don't have all the facts.
folks are assuming they are console reps, but we don't know that for sure.
if this story is true, it sounds like a management gaffe of hiring too many people, it happens sometimes...no one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes sometimes, that's how you learn.
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Moiskormoimi✭✭✭✭It's a newspaper in Galway. They have the article posted on their Facebook too.
https://www.facebook.com/ConnachtTribune
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✭So who do you think will buy this and launch F2P?Want to become Vampire? 5k @ZiRM in game.ESO Server Status. ( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ ) SkåL!!!!!0 -
Blud✭✭✭✭✭
I'll probably start worrying when I see signs that the developers are getting fired... or permanent jobs, not the temp stuff.
Devs don't get "fired."
They "move on to new projects."
They "leave on amicable terms."
They "want to spend more time with family."
They "worked with an amazing group of people and wish the game well."Edited by Blud on June 10, 2014 11:45PM1 -
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Devs will be the next ones canned.
I'll probably start worrying when I see signs that the developers are getting fired... or permanent jobs, not the temp stuff.
Devs don't get "fired."
They "move on to new projects."
They "leave on amicable terms."
They "want to spend more time with family."
They "worked with an amazing group of people and wish the game well."
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iuki✭✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »Oh noes. Temp workers for a system not implemented yet were let go!!!
Clearly the sky is falling chicken little...
Okay, HELMETS for sale! Only been used once so mind the occasional dent or hole.
Ah good ol arsenic touch....remember what trion did shortly after launch of defiance? Yea, they dumped almost everyone and some were even lead out of the building then tossed into the street by armed security guards. But no, it was all fine the fans claimed....you know as well as I do what happened after that.
Well, looks like Zeni is doing the exact same thing. Today it's CS and soon it might be actual devs (betting on that). Basically, looks like they are cutting their losses just like trion did a year ago b/c it's clear (if you play the game) that subs are down, waaaay down.
My heart goes out to those people that were let go; I hope they can find new work soon. I do suggest to those affect to not go into the gaming sector again since layoffs and firings are common since the industry is worst place of all to find a perma job.Edited by iuki on June 11, 2014 12:08AM0 -
Mortosk✭✭✭✭Are people in this thread just ignoring the fact that TEMPORARYS were let go. When ZoS starts laying off SALARIED employess you can start doomsaying.
Seriously? Doesn't concern you in the slightest that people that were expected to be on a 6-month contract were let go after 3-months?
Tells me they expected a lot more interest in the game, and it didn't pan out that way. So, they are cutting the biggest expense which is payroll. You don't go through all the trouble of recruiting, training, and hiring people for a 6 month assignment only to let them go in a few weeks unless something is drastically wrong.
Also tells me why tickets go unanswered for over a week.
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✭Are people in this thread just ignoring the fact that TEMPORARYS were let go. When ZoS starts laying off SALARIED employess you can start doomsaying.
Seriously? Doesn't concern you in the slightest that people that were expected to be on a 6-month contract were let go after 3-months?
Tells me they expected a lot more interest in the game, and it didn't pan out that way. So, they are cutting the biggest expense which is payroll. You don't go through all the trouble of recruiting, training, and hiring people for a 6 month assignment only to let them go in a few weeks unless something is drastically wrong.
Also tells me why tickets go unanswered for over a week.
They expected to do a release on two gaming consoles which got pushed back by six months. That's a whole lot of CS you don't need until that release actually occurs.
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✭✭✭✭✭Are people in this thread just ignoring the fact that TEMPORARYS were let go. When ZoS starts laying off SALARIED employess you can start doomsaying.
Seriously? Doesn't concern you in the slightest that people that were expected to be on a 6-month contract were let go after 3-months?
Tells me they expected a lot more interest in the game, and it didn't pan out that way. So, they are cutting the biggest expense which is payroll. You don't go through all the trouble of recruiting, training, and hiring people for a 6 month assignment only to let them go in a few weeks unless something is drastically wrong.
Also tells me why tickets go unanswered for over a week.
No. Temporary factory workers being laid off early after the company announced a major delay on product does not concern me. That strikes me as almost absurdly normal.----
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✭Really curious how many of these doomsayers have actually worked in a real corporate environment."As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
Have you seen the Twin Lamps?2
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