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Win 25000 gold! Post a video of your Templar doing 700+ DPS and I will pay you 25000 gold !
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Natjur✭✭✭✭✭
✭The dev's sorc tanked the new vet instance
The dev's NB healed the new vet instance
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So sorcs are not just range dps. Every class should be able to do a tank, dps or heal role at vet levels. (Just most sorcs only want to do range dps causes its easy)
At the moment, every class CAN except the templar. It can not do ANY role as they are out of resources too fast. You just have to watch the dev's own videos. They NEVER take a templar as they are out of resource too fast and therefore add nothing to the battle.
I have a V12 templar, dk and sorc. I can heal trials runs without issues on my sorc and even copied the dev's build and tank a vet instance on my sorc. That is something I could never do on my templar.
So I will add my gold to the pool if the dev's can redo the new vet instance with 4 templars (1 tank, 1 healer and 2 as dps) . They will not get past the first boss before all out of mana and potions and ... dead.
Most of a templars issues would be fixed with a resource managerment skill, all other classes get one or two, templars have none (they had a good one in beta but it was taken and never replaced with anything.)Edited by Natjur on June 10, 2014 9:15PM7 -
anakaki✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Either? I said they dont care, I care. Read before you troll.Death Recap for TemplarsHave you tried rerolling to a Sorcerer or Dragonknight?Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Templars do more dps than DK's.2 -
NerfEverything✭✭✭✭✭The dev's sorc tanked the new vet instance
The dev's NB healed the new vet instance
Link
So sorcs are not just range dps. Every class should be able to do a tank, dps or heal role at vet levels. (Just most sorcs only want to do range dps)
At the moment, every class CAN except the templar. It can not do ANY role as they are out of resources too fast. You just have to watch the dev's own videos. They NEVER take a templar as they are out of resource too fast and therefore add nothing to the battle.
I have a V12 templar, dk and sorc. I can heal trials runs without issues on my sorc and even copied the dev's build and tank a vet instance on my sorc. That is something I could never do on my templar.
So I will add my gold to the pool if the dev's can redo the new vet instance with 4 templars (1 tank, 1 healer and 2 as dps) . They will not get past the first boss before all out of mana and potions and ... dead.
This is just about the strongest evidence there can be that templars are broken. Someone who actually has 3 VR12s that can give an objective opinion along with the fact that the devs can't figure out how to do it with templar.
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Paladin_echo1✭✭✭I hope they fix the Templar soon. I am having difficulty with the magic management as Templar with all the proper gear on. Its as if someone changed the Templar so they can't use any magic over long battles where we require for them to be the healer or DPS.Edited by Paladin_echo1 on June 10, 2014 9:48PM0
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Aeradon✭✭✭✭✭davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »
^People keep telling me they're gonna buy me an ale. They never do.
There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's culture. And the Elves.
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Enkshar✭✭Templars wont be fixed any time soon. The only love we got was the 1.2.1 change to sweeps, and now this morph heals 40% of dmg done. It gives templars a good suvival skill for pve but now the only thing ull do at vr is spam this skills cuase anything else will still get u killed in no time.
No templar love, no stamina builds love, no fun after u hit vr this is just too sad.
Hope u get ur build but i dont believe theres is suck a things
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I have gotten 1300 dps in the last fight of vet 5 with the boss that spawns tons of adds and solo'd that easily but single target I can only get around 300-350. Now if you want to go to hps I can blow that 700 out of the water.0 -
RangerChad✭✭✭davidhorstub17_ESO wrote: »
That's a DK.
RangerChad wrote: »I would rather Templar have more sustain than more DPS. lol
DPS is damage per second. That is, by definition and convention, the measure of damage over time. What you likely mean is burst damage which again is only a dps measurement over a short time duration. The variable defining burst over sustain is the amount of time you measure over. DPS is the standard measurement used in either case.
I know exactly what DPS is, I said I would rather Templar be able to sustain any form of DPS more than 5-8 attacks.
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pecheckler✭✭✭✭✭i would really like to play a templar damage dealer but it's completely unacceptable to everyone even myself
"play the way you want" eh Zenimax?
god damn lies
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✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »My opinion, 700 DPS, on single target, sustained for more than 5 minutes is not possible on a Templar... and it shouldn't be.
DK and Sorcs can just about touch that number, I pull about 650 on my Sorc and just over 700 on my melee DK.
The templar is a jack of all trades class. By class abilities alone he can range DPS, melee DPS and heal team-mates. In comparison Sorcs can only do ranged DPS and DKs can only do melee DPS.
What would the point of those other classes be if your Templar could do what they do as well as them, on top of your other abilities?
You've confused play as you want with being the best at everything whichever build/class you play. That's an unrealistic expectation and I'm happy it's not that way.
PS: I do play a templar too but with a healer/tank build, so I know the class a fair bit. I don't competitively DPS with him obviously.
Edit: I saw your other post saying you can't do over 350 DPS with your templar. That's a bit of an underestimation. With 2H (proc'ing burning DoT), Momentum, Flawless Dawnbreaker and high weapon crit, I can do ~300 with just light attacks. I believe 500+ DPS can be achieved, that'd be a more realistic and interesting challenge I'd like to see
I disagree. Every class can do every role relatively well with pretty much 2 exceptions: Templar DPS and DK Healer
Also, max (best build) Sorc DPS is 1-1.1k, and for DK it is 1k. 700 for Templar would still be pretty underwhelming.PC NA
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LordEcks✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Do you realise you're more versatile than other classes? Or do you not give a sh*t about that either?
I'm so sick of hearing this garbage about Templars are more versatile than everyone else so they're allowed to be sub-par in other areas.
What in gods name makes Temps so versatile? Please enlighten me.
All I ever hear is the "self heals" mumbo jumbo that everyone keeps spouting.
Every class has "self heals". Templar has "group heals". The comical part is that for NB and Sorc "self heals" are also damage abilities, or related to dealing damage (Crit Surge is practically a healing passive on TOP of the healing passive Dark Magic already friggin has).
So get out with that "self heals" garbage. Templar has "group heals" and this in no way should relegate them to sub-par DPS. Thats like saying DK should have shoddy DPS because they have almost an entire line to group support (Earthen Heart) complete with "group" damage shields and the works.
That being said, I personally dont feel that templars DPS is that bad. I think a few abilities could do with minor tweaks but the same could be said of the other 3 classes.
What cant be said about those classes is their ability cost and sustain capability being as bad as Templar. We dont need a flat out DPS increase.. Templar can burst just as well as the next guy. The difference is the next guy can sustain that burst much longer (sometimes indefinitely) than any Templar can.
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sagitter✭✭✭✭✭pecheckler wrote: »i would really like to play a templar damage dealer but it's completely unacceptable to everyone even myself
"play the way you want" eh Zenimax?
god damn lies
ALL LIES
"Play the way you want" sounds a bit different than "play all you want"
So "play all you want" philosophy should concern the others classes to heal like a templar or bolt escape or shadow cloak for everyone. "Play the way you want" on the other hand can allow an healer class like templar or a mage class like sorcerer to use melee weapons abilities and wear all the armors. Than considering that there are classes in this game, only an umprepared player that have never played a moorpg could think to do all he wants, unless this game was called "Skyrim Online".1 -
Aeradon✭✭✭✭✭@korkibucek Ah it's been so long since I heard this. Thanks. #rickrollPeople keep telling me they're gonna buy me an ale. They never do.
There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's culture. And the Elves.
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Drake81✭✭✭So I will add my gold to the pool if the dev's can redo the new vet instance with 4 templars (1 tank, 1 healer and 2 as dps) . They will not get past the first boss before all out of mana and potions and ... dead.If only devs could reply with"CHALLENGE ACCEPTED" :-)
Lol in their last video they played with god mode. xD They could play with lvl1 chars and still would win. ^^Edited by Drake81 on June 11, 2014 7:19AM0 -
JoyEnergiser✭✭I want to play a char that has the best dps AND healing
So i'm gonna keep b1tching on the forums till ZOS makes just such a character!0 -
Poxxerom✭✭✭The prize money has been raised to 50.000 gold as per http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/978511/#Comment_9785110
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Venithar✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »Any one of those could be Templars.
This is true, though I would wager 99% of people would assign sorc/dk/NB to that grouping of 3.4 -
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✭Blackwidow wrote: »
That is a lie , if that woman was a templar her magicka would have ended much earlier :P.Edited by Nox_Aeterna on June 11, 2014 9:36AM"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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NerfEverything✭✭✭✭✭Prize is up to 50k.
Can any templar hit 700 DPS!? Can anyone do 600? Is Zenimax paying attention here?0 -
NerfEverything✭✭✭✭✭Another day and templars still suck. Do we need to raise the prize money or is it time to admit that this is impossible?0
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Based on the color of magic she's using, I'd say the elf is most likely one.Blackwidow wrote: »
Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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Ragekniv✭✭✭All things considered, the simplest solution tends to be the right one!
Templars are incapable of the sustained DPS and resource management of OP Sorcs and DKs.
Have a developer run Trials with a Templar tank, Templar healer and two Templar DPS!
I loved that suggestion in a previous post but sincerely doubt a ZoS response will be forthcoming.
Balance sustained DPS and resource mechanics for all classes!
Next round of OP nerfs please!1 -
ArRashid✭✭✭✭Nice try with that screen troll..
such imperfect edit that it SCREAMS "visible on purpose"!0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
