Hey ZOS, Nerfs Alone = Rage Quits
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sajackson✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Buff a class = Rage quit
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✭born2beagator wrote: »I've never used it. but let me get this straight, before the nerf it was a spamable ability?
Yes, you could escape any fight and bolt trough instances.0 -
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, SORCS CANT SPAM BE BUT DK'S CAN SPAM TALONS, TEMPS CAN SPAM BITING JABS, AND NB'S CAN SPAM AMBUSH??
SEEMS LEGIT.
/endcapsEdited by chris.m.tannehill_ESO on June 10, 2014 7:10AM0 -
tordr86b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭chris.m.tannehill_ESO wrote: »LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, SORCS CANT SPAM BE BUT DK'S CAN SPAM TALONS, TEMPS CAN SPAM BITING JABS, AND NB'S CAN SPAM AMBUSH??
REAL FAIR.
/endcaps
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Moiskormoimi✭✭✭✭No, nerfs alone do not equate to mass exodus'. Bad or unnecessary nerfs along with being forced to choose this selection or that selection just to be remotely viable, along with stale, linear content with barely there rewards is why people leave.0
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Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭Did it perhaps go through any dev's head that before gimping sorcs in what is the largest nerf for ANY class yet, they should have released some buffs to encourage different forms of play?
Rift used to nerf without buffing, ask them how that played out with their player base (and they had less problems to deal with than you). You could have at least released the new version of Dark Deal OR fixed the bugs to Mages Fury OR fixed the bugs with BE breaking all of the time OR given us our better pet system Or fixed the manna regeneration nerf from BE OR stopped the block spam that is the true source of most of your player's QQs...
But NOOOO heaven forbid you do not listen to noob tears and not take drastic/uneducated actions to destroy classes without compensation. NO CDs was your promise, it's clear now that you lack the creativity (or work effort) to make that true.
Nerfs without buffs AND without fixes is killing the little your game has left!
Its hardly the largest nerf of any class, look at DK's0 -
tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »chris.m.tannehill_ESO wrote: »LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, SORCS CANT SPAM BE BUT DK'S CAN SPAM TALONS, TEMPS CAN SPAM BITING JABS, AND NB'S CAN SPAM AMBUSH??
REAL FAIR.
/endcaps
According to you, any words are whining. You must've gotten smoked by one too many Sorcs.
Don't cry girl.0 -
ZOS_MichelleA✭✭✭✭✭Hey there, everyone. We know that sometimes emotions can run high when discussing various aspects of the game, and we appreciate the passion you all bring to ESO. That said, please do not resort to personal attacks or jabs when disagreeing. We expect all posters to be constructive and respectful, even when you vehemently disagree with one another. Thanks for your understanding!4
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GrimlockSaves✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Buff a class = Rage quit
Bots= Rage quit
Killing off bots= Rage quit
Bugs= Rage quit
Maintenance to fix bugs= Rage quit
Lack of content=Rage quit
Maintenance to add content =Rage quit
Being like WoW=Rage quit
Not being like WoW=Rage quit
Being soloable=Rage quit
Having group content=Rage quit
Not being like Skyrim=Rage quit
Being like Skyrim=Rage quit
Moderating forums=Rage quit
Not Moderating forums= Rage quit
Not talking to the players= Rage quit
Talking to the players= Rage quit
To add, the rage quit process, in the below order:
Rage quit=Complain on the forums
Rage quit=Mention somewhere how all your friends already quit
Rage quit=Get a high on the drama
Rage quit=Stand up. Eat a snack... tick, tock, tick, tock, tick....
Rage quit=Alt-tab back to the game and continue playing.Edited by GrimlockSaves on June 10, 2014 7:49AM4 -
Artis✭✭✭✭✭
✭lolwut? spam ambush? you would use if you're melee with weapons etc. Then, you probably invested in stamina, not magicka. Which means:
1. It's pretty weak.
2. It's pretty expensive. You can cast it like 3-4 times.
3. Let's not forget, that it's only cool when you use it from behind while sneaking. After that - it's pointless to spam it. Casttime, low damage...
Don't even try to compare NB to anyone.. Sorcs are way above.1 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭chris.m.tannehill_ESO wrote: »LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, SORCS CANT SPAM BE BUT DK'S CAN SPAM TALONS, TEMPS CAN SPAM BITING JABS, AND NB'S CAN SPAM AMBUSH??
SEEMS LEGIT.
/endcaps
Yeah , because those skills are quite similar in power :P.
The funniest part is how templars can spam bitting jabs AND ARE STILL worse than the sorcs dps."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Still_Mind✭✭✭
Trust me, even if they're made Dragon Knights with prenerf bolt escape, they'll still find reasons for complaining, for example, bow ganks. After all, Telenger himself laughs at silly arrows. He laughed down Mephala herself, and he's a Sorcerer.lolwut? spam ambush? you would use if you're melee with weapons etc. Then, you probably invested in stamina, not magicka. Which means:
1. It's pretty weak.
2. It's pretty expensive. You can cast it like 3-4 times.
3. Let's not forget, that it's only cool when you use it from behind while sneaking. After that - it's pointless to spam it. Casttime, low damage...
Don't even try to compare NB to anyone.. Sorcs are way above.
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Schallen✭✭✭*COUGH* NERF DRAGON KNIGHT SELF HEALS *COUGH* STOP BUFFING DRAGON NIGHTS *COUGH* MAKE IT SO DRAGON KNIGHTS CANT ROLL A WHOLE ZERG *COUGH*Schallen
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1700? only oppener by target without any defence probably.colonel_schmeevin wrote: »do 800-1700
800? never saw those digits from single hits from NB
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Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Buff a class = Rage quit
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Lack of content=Rage quit
Maintenance to add content =Rage quit
Being like WoW=Rage quit
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Being soloable=Rage quit
Having group content=Rage quit
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✭✭✭✭✭Every sorc I play with, though no one likes to lose power, has said the nerf won't really effect them much and they can still spam BE several times to get away from something or in and out of opponents to build ulti super fast.-- @xaraan --
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✭Again, the key to this thread is "Nerfs Alone." I want to play different styles than staves and light armor, but nerfing something as dynamic as BE while giving us no alternative buffs/fixes (not to mention the nerf came with two massive new bugs) just gives me that sick feeling they want me to become a turret stave dps.
Nerfs don't just change balance, in some instances they kill variety.
Also, it still blows my mind that the majority who used the skill offensively are being punished because a few whined about a minority who used it only to escape.Edited by Vis on June 10, 2014 9:58AMv14 Sorc Vae Exillis
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Luvsfuzzybunnies✭✭✭Still_Mind wrote: »
If only Sorcs had a handy skill that allows to heal, without stopping to do damage. Like something that heals for a good portion of damage done, in case of a critical?Ya they screwed up pretty big.
The Sorcerer class ought to have gotten some sort of healing/survivability buff in compensation for this rather drastic, poorly thought out, and poorly implemented nerf. Really ZOS should have shown a bit of back bone and told the whiners to shut up.
Hey, I know! Sorcs should get "Arcane Blood" that would heal 33% of the missing HP and increase regeneration values! They should also get the Arcane Standard that deals overtime AoE damage, reduces damage taken, and increases damage dealt, while in the area of effect. They should also get Magicka Talons for a PbAoE immobilize\damage!
This will fix Sorcs, right?
Of course they should. I mean they would be nothing other than unplayable if they didn't get these buffs you're suggesting.Jukette VR12 DC Nightblade 14 day campaign.
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Luvsfuzzybunnies✭✭✭chris.m.tannehill_ESO wrote: »LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, SORCS CANT SPAM BE BUT DK'S CAN SPAM TALONS, TEMPS CAN SPAM BITING JABS, AND NB'S CAN SPAM AMBUSH??
SEEMS LEGIT.
/endcaps
Whoa whoa whoa sorcs cant spam BE since when? As far as I can see you can still cast this ability more than any other ability any other class can spam per 1 bar of magicka. I lol at your ignorance sir.Jukette VR12 DC Nightblade 14 day campaign.
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Luvsfuzzybunnies✭✭✭Again, the key to this thread is "Nerfs Alone." I want to play different styles than staves and light armor, but nerfing something as dynamic as BE while giving us no alternative buffs/fixes (not to mention the nerf came with two massive new bugs) just gives me that sick feeling they want me to become a turret stave dps.
Nerfs don't just change balance, in some instances they kill variety.
Also, it still blows my mind that the majority who used the skill offensively are being punished because a few whined about a minority who used it only to escape.
But you're not being punished if you used it offensively. What is the use of spamming the skill offensively? According to sorcs the ability does hardly any damage. Also using this offensively means you are teleporting to the people not away from them yes? So once you teleport to them and stun them you're golden. It would seem a one and done cast is all you need cause now you can get your chain cc on crystal frag procs, volcanic runes, those abilities have cast times which would surely last the length of the 4 seconds of increased magicka right? Guess not the only ability you have that is remotely useable is Bolt escape crazy.Jukette VR12 DC Nightblade 14 day campaign.
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Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »chris.m.tannehill_ESO wrote: »LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, SORCS CANT SPAM BE BUT DK'S CAN SPAM TALONS, TEMPS CAN SPAM BITING JABS, AND NB'S CAN SPAM AMBUSH??
SEEMS LEGIT.
/endcaps
Whoa whoa whoa sorcs cant spam BE since when? As far as I can see you can still cast this ability more than any other ability any other class can spam per 1 bar of magicka. I lol at your ignorance sir.
"lol" all you want, but casting 3 times isnt enough for chain + talons over and over. or teleporting strike over and over. Nice try tho.0 -
Mortosk✭✭✭✭Did it perhaps go through any dev's head that before gimping sorcs in what is the largest nerf for ANY class yet, they should have released some buffs to encourage different forms of play?
Rift used to nerf without buffing, ask them how that played out with their player base (and they had less problems to deal with than you). You could have at least released the new version of Dark Deal OR fixed the bugs to Mages Fury OR fixed the bugs with BE breaking all of the time OR given us our better pet system Or fixed the manna regeneration nerf from BE OR stopped the block spam that is the true source of most of your player's QQs...
But NOOOO heaven forbid you do not listen to noob tears and not take drastic/uneducated actions to destroy classes without compensation. NO CDs was your promise, it's clear now that you lack the creativity (or work effort) to make that true.
Nerfs without buffs AND without fixes is killing the little your game has left!
Pretty sure the Restoring Spirit Nerf near the end of Beta was the largest nerf ever. And, thus the Templar class was broken, and will forever be broken.
Also the Biting Jabs Stealth nerf that got reverted was way worse than this one. But, I suppose that doesn't count since it was so bad they had to revert it.
Not sure this even qualifies in the top 10.
"Now I stand, the lion before the lambs and they do not fear. They can not fear." --Arthas Menethil (aka, The Lich King)1 -
Covyn✭✭✭I don't agree that it was the "biggest nerf yet" to any class heh.....however..
ZoS is apparently moving on a very negative approach with their "fixes" and long time issues have yet to be addressed. They should be making positive movements (with classes) at the same time swinging the hammer. It would indeed allow their players to find a new balance.
Many of the issues here are people using very "powerful" abilities due to the other abilities (STA builds, certain class skills) being dismal. So they come in and nerf the "good" abilities and just leave all the other stuff borked. Makes for a poor experience when their players are left with this crap or this crap to choose from.
And it still hits some classes harder than others, this is known. But yes, I would like to see some more positive action being taken by Zenimax when they are performing these "fixes".Gyxx (VR1) Templar
Quidd (VR5) Nightblade
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Caroloces✭✭✭✭✭To add, the rage quit process, in the below order:
Rage quit=Complain on the forums
Rage quit=Mention somewhere how all your friends already quit
Rage quit=Get a high on the drama
Rage quit=Stand up. Eat a snack... tick, tock, tick, tock, tick....
Rage quit=Alt-tab back to the game and continue playing.
Lol. Now that's hilarious! Well put, my friend.0 -
Requiemslove✭✭✭Arrrrgggghhhhhh. God why are people complaining about "good" skills that people complain about being "OP" being nerfed? And saying ZOS got it wrong? Why? Cause you say's so? It does not work like that. Look, MMO after MMO after MMO have done the make other things stronger to make one thing weaker technique and their games have gotten easier and easier all the damn time. ZOS, trying to rebalance things, by making the skill that some say is a fault weaker in my opinion do the right thing. Oh, don't get me wrong, they do it the wrong way but its not like us, the players are easy to please, is it? ZOS need to learn how to properly manage a MMO and how to react to its population but the way some of you go on would have anyone who does NOT know, think they are old hands at this. Now I aint saying ZOS has no faults, they have many, but for the LOVE OF GOD, be reasonable. They are NEW to MMOs, cut them some slack.
Rant over. [sorry, I'm sick to death of all the pretentious snobbery and whining some here portray]0 -
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✭This thread is a mess, just like the game. It's goin down in flames...
Less that 60 days live and your claiming flames. Jeez man..... if its not perfect ojt the gate your just ready to drill it into the ground.
Its a great game with so much potential. But hey... whst do I know.....im just having fun, I must be doing something wrong....
I wouldn't worry, about them. NiRN says nothing but trolling/flaming posts. It is known by many.
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NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Did it perhaps go through any dev's head that before gimping sorcs in what is the largest nerf for ANY class yet, they should have released some buffs to encourage different forms of play?
Rift used to nerf without buffing, ask them how that played out with their player base (and they had less problems to deal with than you). You could have at least released the new version of Dark Deal OR fixed the bugs to Mages Fury OR fixed the bugs with BE breaking all of the time OR given us our better pet system Or fixed the manna regeneration nerf from BE OR stopped the block spam that is the true source of most of your player's QQs...
But NOOOO heaven forbid you do not listen to noob tears and not take drastic/uneducated actions to destroy classes without compensation. NO CDs was your promise, it's clear now that you lack the creativity (or work effort) to make that true.
Nerfs without buffs AND without fixes is killing the little your game has left!
Pretty sure the Restoring Spirit Nerf near the end of Beta was the largest nerf ever. And, thus the Templar class was broken, and will forever be broken.
Also the Biting Jabs Stealth nerf that got reverted was way worse than this one. But, I suppose that doesn't count since it was so bad they had to revert it.
Not sure this even qualifies in the top 10.
@Mortosk
This is absolutely the single biggest nerf after the Restoring Spirit nerf.
I really don't understand that class vs class hate here and why its so strong. Do you people not have friends, guild mates, ect. that play other classes? Never plan to roll an alt? Do you care about the subscriber base?
People shouldn't be campaigning for their own class and against all other classes. I myself want to see buffs to the Templar more than any other change (yes, more than even restoring BE to proper function.)
What's bad for the game is going to be bad for you in the long run so everyone should be railing against ZOS's horrendous nerf policy revealed by this change. It may not bother you now, but it will when you're the target.
Attacking skills themselves in dramatic and game-changing ways is not the way to go. It just pisses people off. What they need to do is change supporting mechanics and/or buff counter play options to address specific problems, like the did with Talons.1 -
Mortosk✭✭✭✭Did it perhaps go through any dev's head that before gimping sorcs in what is the largest nerf for ANY class yet, they should have released some buffs to encourage different forms of play?
Rift used to nerf without buffing, ask them how that played out with their player base (and they had less problems to deal with than you). You could have at least released the new version of Dark Deal OR fixed the bugs to Mages Fury OR fixed the bugs with BE breaking all of the time OR given us our better pet system Or fixed the manna regeneration nerf from BE OR stopped the block spam that is the true source of most of your player's QQs...
But NOOOO heaven forbid you do not listen to noob tears and not take drastic/uneducated actions to destroy classes without compensation. NO CDs was your promise, it's clear now that you lack the creativity (or work effort) to make that true.
Nerfs without buffs AND without fixes is killing the little your game has left!
Pretty sure the Restoring Spirit Nerf near the end of Beta was the largest nerf ever. And, thus the Templar class was broken, and will forever be broken.
Also the Biting Jabs Stealth nerf that got reverted was way worse than this one. But, I suppose that doesn't count since it was so bad they had to revert it.
Not sure this even qualifies in the top 10.
@Mortosk
This is absolutely the single biggest nerf after the Restoring Spirit nerf.
I really don't understand that class vs class hate here and why its so strong. Do you people not have friends, guild mates, ect. that play other classes? Never plan to roll an alt? Do you care about the subscriber base?
People shouldn't be campaigning for their own class and against all other classes. I myself want to see buffs to the Templar more than any other change (yes, more than even restoring BE to proper function.)
What's bad for the game is going to be bad for you in the long run so everyone should be railing against ZOS's horrendous nerf policy revealed by this change. It may not bother you now, but it will when you're the target.
Attacking skills themselves in dramatic and game-changing ways is not the way to go. It just pisses people off. What they need to do is change supporting mechanics and/or buff counter play options to address specific problems, like the did with Talons.
I'm not campaigning against your class. I wouldn't care if they made it cost 50% less each time you cast it. I just don't think it compares to what they've done to Templars, and to a lesser extent Nightblades. Their game really only has 2 classes that aren't a joke at the moment, and yours happens to be one of them, with or without the BE nerf, so be thankful of that.
"Now I stand, the lion before the lambs and they do not fear. They can not fear." --Arthas Menethil (aka, The Lich King)0 -
Vis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Did it perhaps go through any dev's head that before gimping sorcs in what is the largest nerf for ANY class yet, they should have released some buffs to encourage different forms of play?
Rift used to nerf without buffing, ask them how that played out with their player base (and they had less problems to deal with than you). You could have at least released the new version of Dark Deal OR fixed the bugs to Mages Fury OR fixed the bugs with BE breaking all of the time OR given us our better pet system Or fixed the manna regeneration nerf from BE OR stopped the block spam that is the true source of most of your player's QQs...
But NOOOO heaven forbid you do not listen to noob tears and not take drastic/uneducated actions to destroy classes without compensation. NO CDs was your promise, it's clear now that you lack the creativity (or work effort) to make that true.
Nerfs without buffs AND without fixes is killing the little your game has left!
Pretty sure the Restoring Spirit Nerf near the end of Beta was the largest nerf ever. And, thus the Templar class was broken, and will forever be broken.
Also the Biting Jabs Stealth nerf that got reverted was way worse than this one. But, I suppose that doesn't count since it was so bad they had to revert it.
Not sure this even qualifies in the top 10.
@Mortosk
This is absolutely the single biggest nerf after the Restoring Spirit nerf.
I really don't understand that class vs class hate here and why its so strong. Do you people not have friends, guild mates, ect. that play other classes? Never plan to roll an alt? Do you care about the subscriber base?
People shouldn't be campaigning for their own class and against all other classes. I myself want to see buffs to the Templar more than any other change (yes, more than even restoring BE to proper function.)
What's bad for the game is going to be bad for you in the long run so everyone should be railing against ZOS's horrendous nerf policy revealed by this change. It may not bother you now, but it will when you're the target.
Attacking skills themselves in dramatic and game-changing ways is not the way to go. It just pisses people off. What they need to do is change supporting mechanics and/or buff counter play options to address specific problems, like the did with Talons.
Very well said.v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
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✭Requiemslove wrote: »Arrrrgggghhhhhh. God why are people complaining about "good" skills that people complain about being "OP" being nerfed? And saying ZOS got it wrong? Why? Cause you say's so? It does not work like that. Look, MMO after MMO after MMO have done the make other things stronger to make one thing weaker technique and their games have gotten easier and easier all the damn time. ZOS, trying to rebalance things, by making the skill that some say is a fault weaker in my opinion do the right thing. Oh, don't get me wrong, they do it the wrong way but its not like us, the players are easy to please, is it? ZOS need to learn how to properly manage a MMO and how to react to its population but the way some of you go on would have anyone who does NOT know, think they are old hands at this. Now I aint saying ZOS has no faults, they have many, but for the LOVE OF GOD, be reasonable. They are NEW to MMOs, cut them some slack.
Rant over. [sorry, I'm sick to death of all the pretentious snobbery and whining some here portray]
I am not trying to be offensive, but who else caught less than half of what he wrote?v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
v14 DK Costs
v14 NB 'Vis
v14 Temp Fiat Lux5
