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We need a disagree button.
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No, seriously, resorting to hitting "lol" b/c you disagree is just silly. For one thing, it mudies when people have hit "lol" b/c you've actually made a humorous comment versus them thinking you're crazy.
A polite "disagree" would be lovely. It doesn't have to be like Topix where we get to call people names, though that would be fun, just a very nice "not loving it" button.
Thank you.
Edited by Singular on June 9, 2014 10:20AM No, seriously, resorting to hitting "lol" b/c you disagree is just silly. For one thing, it mudies when people have hit "lol" b/c you've actually made a humorous comment versus them thinking you're crazy.
A polite "disagree" would be lovely. It doesn't have to be like Topix where we get to call people names, though that would be fun, just a very nice "not loving it" button.
Thank you.
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✭There was a disagree button but they felt it didn't create a welcome environment on the forums. You can thank all of the people that abused the troll and disagree button during the beta forums.☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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Singular✭✭✭✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »There was a disagree button but they felt it didn't create a welcome environment on the forums. You can thank all of the people that abused the troll and disagree button during the beta forums.
Ah. That sucks. How about instead of a disagree button, just a glare? Like this:
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Zabalah✭✭✭I think the LOL is a perfect solution to a misused "disagree" button. I'd rather get a LOL than troll stampede.10
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Sleepydan✭✭✭Might as well take lol away, and have anything not tagged as insightful or agree be interpreted as negative.
It doesn't matter what social convention is used, it will always be abused by some people because some people want the world to burn. Anonymously.
Nothing offensive about disagree buttons.5 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭If there was a disagree button the hardcore fanboys would disagree almost every criticism about the game8 -
Kulrig✭✭✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »There was a disagree button but they felt it didn't create a welcome environment on the forums. You can thank all of the people that abused the troll and disagree button during the beta forums.
That reminds me of a school that decided to mark corrections and wrong answers in green because red is too damaging to a student's self esteem.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584672/School-bans-red-ink-tells-teachers-mark-green-instead-pupils-respond-purple.html
And another that uses purple for the same reason.
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ItsMeToo✭✭✭✭✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »There was a disagree button but they felt it didn't create a welcome environment on the forums. You can thank all of the people that abused the troll and disagree button during the beta forums.
That reminds me of a school that decided to mark corrections and wrong answers in green because red is too damaging to a student's self esteem.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584672/School-bans-red-ink-tells-teachers-mark-green-instead-pupils-respond-purple.html
And another that uses purple for the same reason.
http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041004/news_1m4pens.html
When I was in school, I did my homework in red ink just to mess with the teachers. LOLFYI - There is no such thing as 'night capping' in a world wide MMO.FYI - There was no paid Beta. When they launched the game the Beta was over, even if you don't think it was.FYI - It's B2P not F2P. There is a difference.FYI - It doesn't take any player skill to mash keys or buttons in this game. The ones that stay alive longer have the better internet connection and speed.FYI - The game is not broken, it still works. It just has 'bugs' that need to be fixed.Balance is a "Bad" thing.
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✭✭If you disagree, how about you use your words to say why instead of hitting lol?9 -
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✭✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »There was a disagree button but they felt it didn't create a welcome environment on the forums. You can thank all of the people that abused the troll and disagree button during the beta forums.
Good grief, well I can see their point, if you disagree strongly enough to comment, then the least you can do is actually comment (ie post).
If people could just hit a button, and not have to say why, then all you get is 90% of the forum hitting the disagree button, and the OP has no idea why, and so can't adjust his/her arguement.
Personally if I had written a carefully thought out proposal and all I got way Disagrees, well, my next post would be a twentyfive swearword sentence. Not joking apart fron "Well" "and" and "You", it would be entirely swearing. Not healthy but there you go.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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✭Fun fact there were more options on these forums during beta, there was a dislike and off-topic button. They removed them though
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I'm kinda two sided about this. I believe this forum doesn't need one inch of negativity more, but then again I feel like disagree button wouldn't probly make any difference in that sense anymore :PArsenic_Touch wrote: »There was a disagree button but they felt it didn't create a welcome environment on the forums. You can thank all of the people that abused the troll and disagree button during the beta forums.
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✭✭✭✭Because it hurts peoples feelings.
No one cares when you hit one of the 'positive' marks and don't respond, because that makes you all warm and snuggly. Just dont click anything perceived as negative, it will crush my ego, ill even pretend that i care about what you would say and tell you if you want to disagree you should write something!2 -
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✭✭Funny how the same topics creep up independently in the different language forums. So here's a loosely translated version of the answer I gave over there:
Look at it this way: the options available to express agreement in varying degrees are useful to stem in the flood of posts solely consisting of "/agree", "^^this!" etc. Posts expressing nothing but agreement without adding either anything new to the discussion, or new insights, are nice to have, but also dampen the signal/noise ratio.
In the case of disagreement with any posted opinion, it's useful for others to know, and therefore to express, why it exists, in the interest of discourse (that's what forums are for, right? Right??). Plus, disagreement to something on the 'net is almost always expressed explicitly anyway (xkcd). The possibility to anonymously downvote or diss posts will almost certainly be abused by some, and a "dislike" doesn't give any new insight on the topic (other than negativity, which isn't helpful in itself).
Also, in my opinion, having a second reddit around here would be quite redundant (or is "superfluous" the better word here?)
Edited by KhajitFurTrader on June 9, 2014 12:05PM9 -
DireKit✭✭✭Don't care either way.
The 'points system' and buttons associated with it are just like a high-school popularity contest.
If you really and genuinely care what people are thinking of you and how they're 'judging you' with their votes on your commentary, you probably have some deep rooted self-esteem problems and need to work on that. At least in our opinions.5 -
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✭✭✭✭KhajitFurTrader wrote: »Funny how the same topics creep up independently in the different language forums. So here's a loosely translated version of the answer I gave over there:
Look at it this way: the options available to express agreement in varying degrees are useful to stem in the flood of posts solely consisting of "/agree", "^^this!" etc. Posts expressing nothing but agreement without adding either anything new to the discussion, or new insights, are nice to have, but also dampen the signal/noise ratio.
In the case of disagreement with any posted opinion, it's useful for others to know, and thus to express, why it exists, in the interest of discourse (that's what forums are for, right? Right??). Plus, disagreement to something on the 'net is almost always expressed explicitly anyway (xkcd). The possibility to anonymously downvote or diss posts will almost certainly be abused by some, and a "dislike" doesn't give any new insight on the topic (other than negativity, which isn't helpful in itself).
Also, in my opinion, having a second reddit around here would be quite redundant (or is "superfluous" the better word here?)
I disagree.
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✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
I disagree.
How do you abuse a button on the forums that doesn't do anything?
It was abused and removed.
People were using it to troll. Therefore, did not help the devs see what was really being disagreed with.6 -
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✭I got trolled to many times with a "disagree" button -- it was not worth it and I am glad it is gone, TBH.
The trouble is that one might have 100's of "disagree" on one's profile page and makes it looks bad, all because of people just want to troll ya. Also, every disagree on the profile page takes points away, thus it takes longer to earn badges.Edited by k9mouse on June 9, 2014 12:03PM5 -
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✭✭✭✭Trolling how? And do you think the developers were sitting around looking at things going, oh my this has 50 disagrees we better not do this!
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✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
I disagree.
How do you abuse a button on the forums that doesn't do anything?
I didn't know there'd ever been one around here. So what did it do? Increment the "Disagree" counter of the post by 1? I'd say it did something, then. But it surely didn't say why and by whom.1 -
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✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Trolling how?
If you did not like a player, you could literally go to every one of his posts and hit disagree.
So, at the end of the day, almost every post just had a bunch of disagrees. So, it ended up not meaning anything.And do you think the developers were sitting around looking at things going, oh my this has 50 disagrees we better not do this!
No, but I bet they would rather hear a real reason for a disagreement than a just /disagree button.
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Lodestar✭✭✭✭Honestly, I would be fine with doing away with the whole point scoring thing anyway. Not that I do not appreciate them when I get them, when well meant. Just I think a forum should be for discussions, and rewards come with engaging in such for a greater outcome.
Besides, disagrees, and low marks/score downs, just invite pissing contests, as they encourage trolls and bitterness anyway. As others have pointed out from experience too.Edited by Lodestar on June 9, 2014 12:08PM5 -
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✭✭✭✭KhajitFurTrader wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
I disagree.
How do you abuse a button on the forums that doesn't do anything?
I didn't know there'd ever been one around here. So what did it do? Increment the "Disagree" counter of the post by 1? I'd say it did something, then. But it surely didn't say why and by whom.
Now that is fair. The other game that i play that uses vanilla forums, that they use here, had a disagree button, with all the others. It does nothing, outside of just keep count. You get points for them just like you do all the other clicks. But they also allow you to see everyone who clicked any reaction to your post, the agrees, the awesomes, the disagree, the lol, you could see who clicked each and everyone. And everyone could see it. No hidden clickage.1 -
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✭✭✭We used to have a disagree button during beta testing but players abused it by spamming other people's posts with disagrees because they didn't like that other person for whatever reason. Some people went so far as to disagree with every post a person ever made. People complained and disagree was removed.
TL:DR: Disagree was removed because some people don't know how to play nicely with others.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Honestly, I would be fine with doing away with the whole point scoring thing anyway. Not that I do not appreciate them when I get them, when well meant. Just I think a forum should be for discussions, and rewards come with engaging in such for a greater outcome.
Besides, disagrees, and low marks/score downs, just invite pissing contests, as they encourage trolls and bitterness anyway. As others have pointed out from experience too.
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