@Poxxerom‌ Great post mate.

In beta, with the different passives, the Templar was absolutely spot on.
Now is pants.

Our simple and only real CC (Binding Javelin), which is single target, doing almost no damage (~200 at VR4) costs 400+ magicka.

While Shattering Rocks is AOE, doing bit more damage, for LESS magicka with almost three times the duration!!!!!! And Dark Talons is close to it also.


However, making Dark Flare instant, I believe going to be tad OP.
Solar Barrage morph makes more sense imho, because exactly is instant.

AngryNord wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

Don't you think they are aware that sorcs deals 800-900 single dps to our 300-400ish? Ofcourse they do. Otherwise they wouldnt have playtested the game.

What?? They playtested the game??

No, they only play tested Nightblades. That road ahead dev is upset cause his character can't pew pew good, so he's going to make sure they buff them up real good, and nerf Templars, DK's, and Sorcs more, cause he doesn't play those, so why should he care? Anyway, then he will pew pew better and win at PVP.

They have no idea how bad Templars are. If they did, they would have buffed us already. I'd like them to experience what it's like to run out of Magicka constantly, because we have no combat magicka regen and stand there swinging a sword doing 60 damage while stuff shreds through your heavy armor like you are wearing a suit of paper mache. Even between fights, we have to wait for what seems like forever for our OUT OF COMBAT magicka regen to fill our bar. The down time is pretty ridiculous.

I seriously wish one of them would play a Templar and see that for themselves, since they obviously haven't tested one up until this point.

Templar VR12 here, completed everything in game as Dps. There is only a single build that let Templars go next to 800-900 dps. But I agree with almost everything you posted there, because I don't like to be attached to one optimal build to be usefull. So my aswer is Unsub, I did, today is my last day, and probably my last post. They lied to us, they said "become the character you want" that was true till Trials, it's not true anymore.

Deinokb16_ESO wrote: »

Templar VR12 here, completed everything in game as Dps. There is only a single build that let Templars go next to 800-900 dps. But I agree with almost everything you posted there, because I don't like to be attached to one optimal build to be usefull. So my aswer is Unsub, I did, today is my last day, and probably my last post. They lied to us, they said "become the character you want" that was true till Trials, it's not true anymore.

Dude, that is almost impossible.

However we would like to see your build, and rotation.

Assuming you are not a vampire.

If you just had left out the lengthy comparison to sorc at the bottom of your post would be very good.
This way it sounds a little like another nerf request, which i dont think it is.

Your class has problems, it should be fixed. Other classes having or not having these problems does not change it.

Deinokb16_ESO wrote: »

Yes, I can post you the build + rotation:

Sets: All Light: 5 Night Mother's Gaze + 3 Willow's Path (All magicka enchanted +Thief mundus + divines trait) + Neck/Rings with weapon dmg enchant. Fire staff (Mothers Gaze + Crit trait).

Single target spell bar: Power of the Light (Dawn's Wrath) / Elemental drain (Dest staff) / Crushing Shock (Dest staff) / Vampire's Bane ( Dawn's Wrath ) / Inner Light (Mages Guild). Ultimate: Flawless DawnBreaker (Fighter's Guild).

* I use Weapon dmg on jewellery and Fighter's guild ultimate because my main dmg source is Crushing Shock, it gets more dmg base from weapon dmg and crits with Spell Crit.

Rotation is: Elemental Drain (17s)-> POL( 3s.cast/7sec) ->Vampire's Bane (Burn 7 sec)-> Crushing Shock x 2 -> Elemental Drain...

*If another player in raid is using Elemental Drain, you can skip that one, and add one Utility spell on your bar (You will need more magicka pots bacause you won't get magicka back from Elemental Drain's debuff, needs to be casted by you).

AOE/utility Spell bar: Volcanic Rune (Mages Guild) / Elemental Blockade (Destro Staff)/ Fire Ring (Destro Staff) / Utility (Annulement/Immovable/Siege Shield...)/ Inner Light (Mages Guild). Ultimate: Solar Prison (Dawn's Wrath)

Rotation is pretty elemental here: Volcanic Rune to disrupt healers/casters, Elemental Blockade ->Fire Ring x2-> Elemental Bloackade...->

Wish it can help someone.

Why would you cast vampire bane after PotL? That will cost you dps instead of gaining.

sigsergv wrote: »

I don't see templar skills there. It's twice frustrating.

edit Was wrong, found one.

There's 2. PotL and VB.

Indeed. only 2 spells and 1 ultimate from the Templar lines.
So it could even be an NB, and do the same (if not) more damage with that spec.
Or a sorcerer.

Hardly a "Templar" to be honest.

and this.. the lack of templar skills in anyones rotation in order to survive and/or be competitive is what is wrong here.

for weeks now my current toolbar is more and more guild, armor, weapon skills with templar ones being shelved as just not cutting it.

something wrong with that

reading the posts on VR healing tho, now that is depressing. am about to go vet and so far was very happy with my templar healing abilities so I have only leveled one restor staff ability. now im hearing that a full templar healing bar in vet is not worthwhile? that was one build I was happy with.................

@Wintersage‌
They should simply bring Armor and Weapon Skills in line.
If its done they can start balance class skills lines.
I dont see the damned if you do part.

It is problematic that they do not see it, the puncturing strike change is probably welcome, but it also is best used by LA/Staff, at least that would be my first evaluation.

+1 to the op still waiting some answers from the devs about this problem

The communication from this company takes too long. Progression bugs reported on the customer service forum (see imperial infiltration) take 3 days + to even acknowledge - and then a week to address. I doubt we'll see Templar issues even acknowledged within the next month. The fact that the game is selling for less and less everyday online or in retail stores is very telling.

They just don't give a damn about their customers. The road ahead mentions NOTHING about Templar issues and NOTHING about Stamina build issues. I think we should all give them a vote of no confidence and walk away with our money. I would LOVE to see someone from Zenimax post in here. I would LOVE to know they're listening. Give us a reason to keep paying you guys.

Changing a class 2 weeks before launch with 0 play test time is a bit crazy to begin with. Ignoring your customers who are experiencing problems keeping up with every other class for 2+ months is crazy. Showing the new content with a NIGHT BLADE healer instead of a TEMPLAR (when you can have all four classes in a party) is just insulting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno I would love to know what you guys think about the Templar class. Can you ask your Developers to give us an update? Please?

Take a look at the proposals in this thread and comment/support it:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/108481/suggested-changes-to-templar-abilities#latest

We dont need a complete overhaul to be on par with other classes, but there are some mechanic changes and number tweaks that are going to have to be made. Get some posts going and maybe ZOS will listen.

Hi VR12 Temp here aswell
ZOS has to do either of two things either bring them in line dps/mitigation/utility wise with the trhee other classes or make them an outstanding supporter that overwhelms any other class in this regard to justify the current values.

as im a dedicated healing supporter the last 14 years i am a bit biased into that last direction - and that was the sole reason playing the templar...

my proposed changes:
1. make the skills atleast do what the tool tip states... e.g, luminous shards(spear shards morph) indicates a magica over time reg wich is not happeneing after synergy activation, honor the dead no explanation needed i guess :P way to much of our abilities are not doing what the tooltip is indicating...
2. class skill magicka cost needed to be reduced to values the 3 ather classes do have
3. skillchanges id like to see:
a)spear shards: luminous shards: synergy grants 25% stamina AND Magicka + 25S/Mper second for 10seconds and the locout timer of the synergy reuse hast to be taken away or at least halfed. blazing spear change the morph to a 6-8 sec ae disorient
b)solar flare: dark flare: make its DPS and dmg/magicka-ratio atleast match the values of sorcs Crystal /shards Fragments this can be achieved by increasing the dmg or reducing its CT up to making it an instant and severe magicka cost reduction
c) change backlash to be some kind of finishing ability like mages fury keep it as it is but once the target drops below 50% it explodes when ever the internal dmg softcap has been reached. make multiple backlashes from different casters stack like deadric curse
d)eclipse change total dark morph to be a selftarget 4sec reflect all spells ability like DKs reflective scale increase unstable chore to 7sec duration
e) blinding light make it as usefull as DK´s ash cloud 50% for 4sec is far inferior to 30% for 18sec ... especially when the ability costs over 20% more magicka ...
f) sun shield reduce the magicka reg lockout to a 50% reg reduction
g) puncturing strikes get completly rid of all 1.1.2+ changes(GCD&magicka cost increasement burning light procs seem to be stealth nerfed aswell with that ability i´m below 15%procs on activation while other abilitys are at 25%...) cope with bots in another way then by destroying the only existing templar melee ability... and actually reduce its former costs instead of increasing it.
h) restoring light line in general increase all healing values by 15-20%
i) healing rirual either increase the range to 28m or increase RoR CT reduction to make it casted in 1second increase the lingering tick of LR to 400hp healed
j) restauring aura: change radiant aura from 80% increased regen to an actual 40point stam/life tick per second, repentance add to its current behaviour a 10sec duration 15point lingering stam/HP regeneration
k)rune focus change the layout of that ability unmorphed to a toggle ability that grants armor/resistance and 60stam/magicka reg per second change the morphs to be non toggled abilities but runes as they are now but with to 12m increased area off effects make channeld focus generate 120magica per sec but no stam while restoring focus generates 120 stam/s and no magica armor/resi buffs are only applied for both while beeing within the rune circle.

that would be my

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ ? Anyone? Someone please get them to at least acknowledge these problems in the next road ahead post...it's discouraging to read through that entire thing and see no mention of what is essentially a game breaking problem (because the build doesn't work as it should and is useless in VR grouping) for 25% of the player base.

If we were at least told that they ARE AWARE OF THE ISSUE AND INTEND TO ADDRESS IT IN A FUTURE PATCH then it would keep me subbed for a bit longer and I could patiently wait for our turn to be fixed. But I need to know (and soon) that it will happen, or I'm going to unsub. I can't justify putting a year into this game at $240 ($15 a month plus my $60 purchase fee) if it's essentially broken for the type of class I prefer to play. That's a LOT of money to invest in a video game that IS BROKEN. I understand that the skill system in this game is super open and something kinda new and that it will take time to perfect.

But for the love of GOD, please ACKNOWLEDGE that the devs have these fixes on their to-do list. (Acknowledgement of the broken vampire skill line passives and feeding level issues with it resetting on zone change - and having to relog after you die or you lose your stealth bonus which is really the only reason to be a vamp these days - would be nice too!)

PRETTY PLEASE WITH MOON SUGAR ON TOP.