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How many subs does ESO have?
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ErykGrimm✭✭✭Under-informed speculation on an MMOs subs. Even better, there are 2 more platforms that the game has yet to be released on. This might be the funniest thread yet. You guys may as well blindfold yourselves and throw darts at a board.
after playing MMO's for 14 years, I know I have a decent grasp in numbers, and my guess of 40-50k of "Subcribers" (buying more game time after 30 days after purchase) is giving ESO more credit than due. only newbies to MMO's think 50k is small.
I dont care how long you have been playing MMOs for. All you have to work with is hearsay and speculation. I have my fair share of experience and I still wouldnt make an assumption without any facts to back it up. You won't agree with me regardless of any points I try to make, so only time will tell. Let me know if you require some kind of online forum resume to be valid. LoL.
You disrespect those with experience, but you've been warned: don't waste your money, and have fun doing so....
Well gee, I'm sorry I discounted your extensive experience in online gaming. The fact remains that experience playing games does not translate into predicting how many people may be playing a given game with no data to back it up. And I quite enjoy playing ESO and don't feel it is a waste of money at all. If you feel that way I recommend you find another game that makes you happy. Oh, and by the way there were way more than 50k people that applied to beta test the game. Oh, and it may very well be that you aren't the only one with more than a decade's experience in the genre. Just some food for thought for ya2 -
Moiskormoimi✭✭✭✭WoW started off with lots of sub numbers which took them by surprise and subs kept growing every month until it peaked in WotLK. 12+ mill or so? Maybe that game's initial success was an anomaly but who knows.
Pretty much.....massive sub drops + box price decreases within the first 3 months is NORMAL for bad MMOs, period. History is repeating itself once again in ESO.
Actually, the 12 mil peak was short of the Cataclysm release. They reached 12 mil on Oct 7, 2010 and Cata was released same year in December. The drops have always been due to the content release lag and always spike with new expansions.0 -
Swordguy✭✭✭Under-informed speculation on an MMOs subs. Even better, there are 2 more platforms that the game has yet to be released on. This might be the funniest thread yet. You guys may as well blindfold yourselves and throw darts at a board.
after playing MMO's for 14 years, I know I have a decent grasp in numbers, and my guess of 40-50k of "Subcribers" (buying more game time after 30 days after purchase) is giving ESO more credit than due. only newbies to MMO's think 50k is small.
I dont care how long you have been playing MMOs for. All you have to work with is hearsay and speculation. I have my fair share of experience and I still wouldnt make an assumption without any facts to back it up. You won't agree with me regardless of any points I try to make, so only time will tell. Let me know if you require some kind of online forum resume to be valid. LoL.
You disrespect those with experience, but you've been warned: don't waste your money, and have fun doing so....
Well gee, I'm sorry I discounted your extensive experience in online gaming. The fact remains that experience playing games does not translate into predicting how many people may be playing a given game with no data to back it up. And I quite enjoy playing ESO and don't feel it is a waste of money at all. If you feel that way I recommend you find another game that makes you happy. Oh, and by the way there were way more than 50k people that applied to beta test the game. Oh, and it may very well be that you aren't the only one with more than a decade's experience in the genre. Just some food for thought for ya
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ErykGrimm✭✭✭Under-informed speculation on an MMOs subs. Even better, there are 2 more platforms that the game has yet to be released on. This might be the funniest thread yet. You guys may as well blindfold yourselves and throw darts at a board.
This game will not come out on console. I am more than willing to bet real money with you on that. You wouldn't even have to pay up... just admit you are wrong.
I would be careful with that sentiment. How does 25 large sound?0 -
ErykGrimm✭✭✭Under-informed speculation on an MMOs subs. Even better, there are 2 more platforms that the game has yet to be released on. This might be the funniest thread yet. You guys may as well blindfold yourselves and throw darts at a board.
after playing MMO's for 14 years, I know I have a decent grasp in numbers, and my guess of 40-50k of "Subcribers" (buying more game time after 30 days after purchase) is giving ESO more credit than due. only newbies to MMO's think 50k is small.
I dont care how long you have been playing MMOs for. All you have to work with is hearsay and speculation. I have my fair share of experience and I still wouldnt make an assumption without any facts to back it up. You won't agree with me regardless of any points I try to make, so only time will tell. Let me know if you require some kind of online forum resume to be valid. LoL.
You disrespect those with experience, but you've been warned: don't waste your money, and have fun doing so....
Well gee, I'm sorry I discounted your extensive experience in online gaming. The fact remains that experience playing games does not translate into predicting how many people may be playing a given game with no data to back it up. And I quite enjoy playing ESO and don't feel it is a waste of money at all. If you feel that way I recommend you find another game that makes you happy. Oh, and by the way there were way more than 50k people that applied to beta test the game. Oh, and it may very well be that you aren't the only one with more than a decade's experience in the genre. Just some food for thought for ya
have fun in your delusion.
Bye, have fun in the next game you play. May it bring you more happiness than ESO did.1 -
Swordguy✭✭✭Under-informed speculation on an MMOs subs. Even better, there are 2 more platforms that the game has yet to be released on. This might be the funniest thread yet. You guys may as well blindfold yourselves and throw darts at a board.
after playing MMO's for 14 years, I know I have a decent grasp in numbers, and my guess of 40-50k of "Subcribers" (buying more game time after 30 days after purchase) is giving ESO more credit than due. only newbies to MMO's think 50k is small.
I dont care how long you have been playing MMOs for. All you have to work with is hearsay and speculation. I have my fair share of experience and I still wouldnt make an assumption without any facts to back it up. You won't agree with me regardless of any points I try to make, so only time will tell. Let me know if you require some kind of online forum resume to be valid. LoL.
You disrespect those with experience, but you've been warned: don't waste your money, and have fun doing so....
Well gee, I'm sorry I discounted your extensive experience in online gaming. The fact remains that experience playing games does not translate into predicting how many people may be playing a given game with no data to back it up. And I quite enjoy playing ESO and don't feel it is a waste of money at all. If you feel that way I recommend you find another game that makes you happy. Oh, and by the way there were way more than 50k people that applied to beta test the game. Oh, and it may very well be that you aren't the only one with more than a decade's experience in the genre. Just some food for thought for ya
have fun in your delusion.
Bye, have fun in the next game you play. May it bring you more happiness than ESO did.
have fun playing the ESO forum game. I would high five you in game, but clearly you do not play....Edited by Swordguy on June 7, 2014 3:36AMIN SOVIET RUSSIA, GUN LOADS YOU!
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ErykGrimm✭✭✭Under-informed speculation on an MMOs subs. Even better, there are 2 more platforms that the game has yet to be released on. This might be the funniest thread yet. You guys may as well blindfold yourselves and throw darts at a board.
after playing MMO's for 14 years, I know I have a decent grasp in numbers, and my guess of 40-50k of "Subcribers" (buying more game time after 30 days after purchase) is giving ESO more credit than due. only newbies to MMO's think 50k is small.
I dont care how long you have been playing MMOs for. All you have to work with is hearsay and speculation. I have my fair share of experience and I still wouldnt make an assumption without any facts to back it up. You won't agree with me regardless of any points I try to make, so only time will tell. Let me know if you require some kind of online forum resume to be valid. LoL.
You disrespect those with experience, but you've been warned: don't waste your money, and have fun doing so....
Well gee, I'm sorry I discounted your extensive experience in online gaming. The fact remains that experience playing games does not translate into predicting how many people may be playing a given game with no data to back it up. And I quite enjoy playing ESO and don't feel it is a waste of money at all. If you feel that way I recommend you find another game that makes you happy. Oh, and by the way there were way more than 50k people that applied to beta test the game. Oh, and it may very well be that you aren't the only one with more than a decade's experience in the genre. Just some food for thought for ya
have fun in your delusion.
Bye, have fun in the next game you play. May it bring you more happiness than ESO did.
have fun playing the ESO forum game. I would high five you in game, but clearly you do not play....
You can check by clicking my name. I have been playing since November. I have been involved in the game since way before that. I am on the NA server with the daggerfall covenant if you decide to stay. Feel free to hit me up. Bro1 -
Swordguy✭✭✭Under-informed speculation on an MMOs subs. Even better, there are 2 more platforms that the game has yet to be released on. This might be the funniest thread yet. You guys may as well blindfold yourselves and throw darts at a board.
after playing MMO's for 14 years, I know I have a decent grasp in numbers, and my guess of 40-50k of "Subcribers" (buying more game time after 30 days after purchase) is giving ESO more credit than due. only newbies to MMO's think 50k is small.
I dont care how long you have been playing MMOs for. All you have to work with is hearsay and speculation. I have my fair share of experience and I still wouldnt make an assumption without any facts to back it up. You won't agree with me regardless of any points I try to make, so only time will tell. Let me know if you require some kind of online forum resume to be valid. LoL.
You disrespect those with experience, but you've been warned: don't waste your money, and have fun doing so....
Well gee, I'm sorry I discounted your extensive experience in online gaming. The fact remains that experience playing games does not translate into predicting how many people may be playing a given game with no data to back it up. And I quite enjoy playing ESO and don't feel it is a waste of money at all. If you feel that way I recommend you find another game that makes you happy. Oh, and by the way there were way more than 50k people that applied to beta test the game. Oh, and it may very well be that you aren't the only one with more than a decade's experience in the genre. Just some food for thought for ya
have fun in your delusion.
Bye, have fun in the next game you play. May it bring you more happiness than ESO did.
have fun playing the ESO forum game. I would high five you in game, but clearly you do not play....
You can check by clicking my name. I have been playing since November. I have been involved in the game since way before that. I am on the NA server with the daggerfall covenant if you decide to stay. Feel free to hit me up. Bro
you'll be gone before I ever come back.... have fun though.IN SOVIET RUSSIA, GUN LOADS YOU!
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Makkir✭✭✭✭✭
✭I wish the ones quitting would stop spreading their vile negativity all over the forums and just go. Call customer support, use in game feedback, or email your suggestions to them rather than coming here and discouraging others to hop on your rage quit band wagons.
Shouldn't have raced to 50 imo.
I play maybe 1-2 hours a day, a healthy moderate amount, and am level 31. Slow down and enjoy the game while they fix end game and quests.Edited by Makkir on June 7, 2014 3:50AM0 -
Ashigaru✭✭✭✭I wish the ones quitting would stop spreading their vile negativity all over the forums and just go. Call customer support, use in game feedback, or email your suggestions to them rather than coming here and discouraging others to hop on your rage quit band wagons.
Shouldn't have raced to 50 imo.
I play maybe 1-2 hours a day, a healthy moderate amount, and am level 31. Slow down and enjoy the game while they fix end game and quests.
That about racing to 50 is an excuse for part time players. There is no race to 50, you can be to 50 in a matter of days just questing or actually playing the game and logging in for an hour or 2 a day is not playing its just trolling.
Before you start spouting gibberish you might want to experience the game first and lvl 31 is not experiencing it yet.0 -
Swordguy✭✭✭I wish the ones quitting would stop spreading their vile negativity all over the forums and just go. Call customer support, use in game feedback, or email your suggestions to them rather than coming here and discouraging others to hop on your rage quit band wagons.
Shouldn't have raced to 50 imo.
I play maybe 1-2 hours a day, a healthy moderate amount, and am level 31. Slow down and enjoy the game while they fix end game and quests.
hanging out in the "General" forums usually mean you aren't playing, or the servers are down. nice try fanboi.IN SOVIET RUSSIA, GUN LOADS YOU!
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✭Under-informed speculation on an MMOs subs. Even better, there are 2 more platforms that the game has yet to be released on. This might be the funniest thread yet. You guys may as well blindfold yourselves and throw darts at a board.
after playing MMO's for 14 years, I know I have a decent grasp in numbers, and my guess of 40-50k of "Subcribers" (buying more game time after 30 days after purchase) is giving ESO more credit than due. only newbies to MMO's think 50k is small.
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If you have that many years of MMO, what bases do you have for coming up with ANY number. 50k current subscribers sounds low to me, because of the amount of players in different Cyrodiil campagns.
The amount of players in PVE zones, both on EU and US server. The figure sounds a bit low.
I lack information to give even a guess estimate, but as much as I think 50k current subscribers are low, I think 2 million current subscribers are high.
I dont think its anywhere in between, just stating what I base on 50k only subscribers.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
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ErykGrimm✭✭✭I wish the ones quitting would stop spreading their vile negativity all over the forums and just go. Call customer support, use in game feedback, or email your suggestions to them rather than coming here and discouraging others to hop on your rage quit band wagons.
Shouldn't have raced to 50 imo.
I play maybe 1-2 hours a day, a healthy moderate amount, and am level 31. Slow down and enjoy the game while they fix end game and quests.
hanging out in the "General" forums usually mean you aren't playing, or the servers are down. nice try fanboi.
Or perhaps he is posting from his mobile, away from his computer. Assumption is a trend with you. Perhaps that's why you're unhappy. Weren't you on your way out?0 -
Kililin✭✭✭✭The only uncertainty factor is how many people are happily looting sacks and questing around slowly in low level areas and are happy with it. But it is a big one, i will admit it.
High Level areas are visible for high level players, PVP is even more.
You can see how non-official forums die down, you can see the attention this game gets or no longer gets from multigaming guilds/clans and so on.
I would not discount the single player appeal, i have no idea how well the game does. But they are not listening to the multiplayer gamers, but to the rpg/immersion crowd. If things were looking bleak for them they would at least try to fix some of the more easy things up, wouldnt they?Edited by Kililin on June 7, 2014 8:43AM0 -
LareliRose✭✭✭
@bean1
You don't think ZeniMax wants to know why people are leaving? Do they have a retention survey for people who unsub (and does it have open boxes for actual responses or is it like WoW's unsub polls that had very specific complaints they were already planning to fix and nothing else)?
Of all the surveys I did fill out for Zenimax regarding ESO that was the only one that was never offered. They just cancel the sub and send a confirmation email, that's it.
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Kililin✭✭✭✭LareliRose wrote: »
@bean1
You don't think ZeniMax wants to know why people are leaving? Do they have a retention survey for people who unsub (and does it have open boxes for actual responses or is it like WoW's unsub polls that had very specific complaints they were already planning to fix and nothing else)?
Of all the surveys I did fill out for Zenimax regarding ESO that was the only one that was never offered. They just cancel the sub and send a confirmation email, that's it.
I also cancelled, but have 62 days left and will resub if they get at least a few things right.
But this small fact was another nail in the coffin, i thought: "They don't even care, they just want to create the game they have in their heads, no matter what the customer wants."
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LareliRose✭✭✭Phantorang wrote: »
You don't think ZeniMax wants to know why people are leaving? Do they have a retention survey for people who unsub (and does it have open boxes for actual responses or is it like WoW's unsub polls that had very specific complaints they were already planning to fix and nothing else)?
They got a survey, with questions why you unsub etc.
@Phantorang
I was offered no such survey when I unsubbed. Did you get one?1 -
Elirienne✭✭✭✭frosttbite wrote: »It's almost been 2 months now and I amongst many others would love to know how many other beautiful souls are playing with us.
Obviously the number of how many subs a game has doesn't determine whether I'll play a game or not. But I'd like to know how well the game I love is going, so I can brag about it or cry.
Dropping steadily I can assure you!
No, you can't assure him. Unless you are the Head of Sales at zenimax.
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LareliRose✭✭✭alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »As a private company they don`t have to say... the only way they will say is if its a good number they can share with everyone as a "come play our game, look at how many millions are already playing it, join the fun"...
Since its clear the game is not doing so well based on the many offers to get it cheap i doubt we will see a sub number release for now.
When they do share it it might be to use it as an argument like "we only had this many subs, this is why we are moving to a F2P system".
Either way, a thread like this one won`t make them share it... best guess right now based on metric websites and average people quitting based on the guilds i am in would be about 300.000-400.000 subscriptions, some of them stuck like me + some guildies who bought more months at the start.
don't forget, people still on their first month of play time are technically not subs.
That didn't stop SWTOR from including those numbers.
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Arthur_Spoonfondle✭✭✭✭
So you have been playing MMOs for a long time, that is not, in any sense, a reason for anyone to believe your subscriber estimates, when you have no evidence to back-up your claims.Under-informed speculation on an MMOs subs. Even better, there are 2 more platforms that the game has yet to be released on. This might be the funniest thread yet. You guys may as well blindfold yourselves and throw darts at a board.
after playing MMO's for 14 years, I know I have a decent grasp in numbers, and my guess of 40-50k of "Subcribers" (buying more game time after 30 days after purchase) is giving ESO more credit than due. only newbies to MMO's think 50k is small.
I dont care how long you have been playing MMOs for. All you have to work with is hearsay and speculation. I have my fair share of experience and I still wouldnt make an assumption without any facts to back it up. You won't agree with me regardless of any points I try to make, so only time will tell. Let me know if you require some kind of online forum resume to be valid. LoL.
You disrespect those with experience, but you've been warned: don't waste your money, and have fun doing so....
I have no respect for those who make unsubstantiated claims.1 -
pahajuju✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »Catflinger wrote: »As a privately held company, don't look for Zenimax Media to release this game's sub numbers. They're certainly not going to answer a forum query about it.
Zenimax Media through Bethesda released Skyrim numbers on launch day and a week after launch and a few months after launch. I wonder what's different with eso?
And don't forget the 5 million accounts for ESO beta. They did tell us about that in a big way really.
I unsubscribed, but got a game time card for 60 days, still 29 days left I think. At that point I'll really have to think about it because this is a dress and stick game.
Edit 1: Didn't really notice that there were 5 pages already so eveything but my days were most likely said already. Sorry.
Edited by pahajuju on June 7, 2014 10:14AMEU server, and loosing interest in the game.1 -
ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭Looking forward to wod tbh now lol
I hate to be the one to tell you this..... but.. okay this is awkward...http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf
As of now.... it's no longer in progress.
Regardless, I'm sure there are plenty of subs but ZOS isn't publically traded so they don't have to publically release such numbers unless they just feel like bragging, etc.. It's a great game, this nor ANY game that will ever be made will satisfy everyone. It's always the same thing too, the majority of people crying and complaining flocking to the forums while the others are enjoying the game. Then mixed in, you have us who enjoy the game, provide feedback where we feel it's important, but don't stomp our feet crying expecting everything to be instant.0 -
mndfreeze✭✭✭People slamming fists down, I quit. But still posting?
I bought a 3 month sub before the patch and now regret it. Can't get a refund so I play, get frustrated, and come back here to read others being frustrated too. Quitting a subscription only means they won't take more money out of you it doesn't mean you aren't currently paying to play.
If you want to REALLY make a stand call customer service and demand your account be cut off right away and that you want a full refund. Since you don't really want to play the only thing you'll lose is your forum access which you won't need anymore right? Win Win for everyone.Edited by mndfreeze on June 7, 2014 12:20PM0 -
I say this is every f2p thread and I'll say it here: The only people who think this game is bad right now are ones with nostalgia goggles, or ones new to MMO's. If you've ever been at any mmo launch you'd know this is nothing new, and it comes with buying the MMO at launch.
Do I need to remind people of WoW's queues to get into the game (some that were in the THOUSANDS just to get it)?
What about the people on forums complaining about the grind?
The list goes on. Take your nostalgia goggles and enjoy the game. New generation of kiddies expect every bug/fix to have an "on/off" button.
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mndfreeze✭✭✭WoW was a WRECK the first 6 months of release. hahah. WAY WAY WAY WAY worse then ESO's darkest day so far.
So was Starwars galaxies, and ultima online.
I think the only mmo's I've played that didn't have a disaster release day were the ones that were smaller and more niche so they didn't get plastered and overloaded on opening hour. Darkfall comes to mind but even it had problems, just not insane game breaking ones like wow did.
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Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭frosttbite wrote: »It's almost been 2 months now and I amongst many others would love to know how many other beautiful souls are playing with us.
Obviously the number of how many subs a game has doesn't determine whether I'll play a game or not. But I'd like to know how well the game I love is going, so I can brag about it or cry.
Dropping steadily I can assure you!
No, you can't assure him. Unless you are the Head of Sales at zenimax.
Yes he can because he has eyes and does not stick his head in the sand.1 -
Kililin✭✭✭✭WoW was a WRECK the first 6 months of release. hahah. WAY WAY WAY WAY worse then ESO's darkest day so far.
So was Starwars galaxies, and ultima online.
I think the only mmo's I've played that didn't have a disaster release day were the ones that were smaller and more niche so they didn't get plastered and overloaded on opening hour. Darkfall comes to mind but even it had problems, just not insane game breaking ones like wow did.
No it was not, it had problems but not in the way this game has.
This is one of the worst Releases i have endured.
It is obvious this game was released premature and with quite a few band aid fixes pre-release.
For gods sake, they couldnt even decide which New Player experience they wanted. Even Age of Conan had a polished Tortage...0 -
mndfreeze✭✭✭Strange, I remember hours and hours of queues for weeks. I remember Deathwing, the server I played on, crashed and didn't come back for 28 hours. Maybe you're memories of day 1 Wow are a bit hazy?0
