DKs get 6th nerfhammer. RIP Non-staff/non-light armor DKs. Dks lack uniqueness that other class has

ExiledKhallisi · June 2014

That's great greg, In other news around Tamriel the infamous DK is still holding title for best class in game. Thanks again Tamriel here's Reezal-Jul with the weather.

crislevin · June 2014

Jopoder wrote: »

I love how people say sorcs and DKs. Like sorc can compare to DK in being overpowered...
Have both calses leveled enough to see that DK is like 2 times stronger.

That's DK trying to deflect the attention they are getting. So it's dk and sorc vs temp and nb, rather than every class vs dk.

So they qqing about the bolt escape nonstop, make it somehow an "op" spell, when all it does is to escape, rather than giving sorc power to solo craglorn.

Sangeet · June 2014

The nerf is actually for all classes, cant you read ? Only the Armor got a bit decreased, thats hardly an issue, as armor caps are so low nevertheless.

crislevin · June 2014

Sangeet wrote: »

The nerf is actually for all classes, cant you read ? Only the Armor got a bit decreased, thats hardly an issue, as armor caps are so low nevertheless.

supposedly in patch 1.2

ForTheRealm · June 2014

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

Everyone who thinks this nerf is a good thing, please let your brain checked out.

The solution would be not to nerf the DK but t buff the other three to a similar level.

Brilliant! Lets buff everyone to the level where we can all solo craglorn. Can't believe no one thought of that, you're a genius.

Sorc and NB can solo Craglorn bosses too... there are videos available...

Nickdorlandb16_ESO · June 2014

Its not a nerf, its a fix.. You guys where broken and you all knew it.. Now you cry ? I mean rly -_-

McDoogs · June 2014

ZOS will never buff, they only seem to take the easy way out with things. This game's life cycle will be a rollercoaster of nerfing (+ regression issues caused by shoddy QA).

Malmai · June 2014

I don't understand this ZOS guys. They had more than enough time to balance the Classes, one year in PTS and there were Betas. Now people are getting frustrated or it was all intended.

crislevin · June 2014

piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

Everyone who thinks this nerf is a good thing, please let your brain checked out.

The solution would be not to nerf the DK but t buff the other three to a similar level.

Brilliant! Lets buff everyone to the level where we can all solo craglorn. Can't believe no one thought of that, you're a genius.

Sorc and NB can solo Craglorn bosses too... there are videos available...

you dont really believe ZOS making decisions based on a video or two, do you?

there are numerous hard data available, including which class dominate leaderboard, doing what quest, alone or group, etc.

Bhakura · June 2014

BSGDevastator · June 2014

Now there's only one thing missing:

Visibility / Stealth Fixes. Then the NB can finally rise out of their hell.

krakow2000 · June 2014

Very good nerf. I read on some guild chat "LF a 2x dps DK for trial or LF1M v6+ dungeon run DK". Maybe now ppl will take other class before DK.

ForTheRealm · June 2014

crislevin wrote: »

piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Uviryth wrote: »

Everyone who thinks this nerf is a good thing, please let your brain checked out.

The solution would be not to nerf the DK but t buff the other three to a similar level.

Brilliant! Lets buff everyone to the level where we can all solo craglorn. Can't believe no one thought of that, you're a genius.

Sorc and NB can solo Craglorn bosses too... there are videos available...

you dont really believe ZOS making decisions based on a video or two, do you?

there are numerous hard data available, including which class dominate leaderboard, doing what quest, alone or group, etc.

And you believe that ZoS actually research and analyse such data in the aim to improve the game?!
I admire your faith in ZoS! Keep on - we need believers! ;-)

Rylana · June 2014

Oh im sorry, I dont make videos for the lolz, that being said id love to see yours of whatever pathetic profession spec you play =D

Honestly there are so many really bad players out there that its par for the course when someone makes a claim they cant fathom.

I dont get my builds off of player guides, I make them myself, and guess what, they work because I thought and planned ahead to make them pretty solid, mindful of the possibility things might get nerfed.

Therefore I dont rely on the broken OP abilities to make things work.

My stuff survives nerfs, thats the beauty of it.

Old school min maxing, you gotta love it.

I remember quite clearly last year being on teamspeak with my guildies looking over the new game to play and saying "hm the dragonknight uses all fire abilities, the dunmer will have bonuses to fire" and my first beta toon was a Dunmer DK.

Tested it out, liked it, and I was probably one of the very first Dunmer DK inferno destro staff users in beta.

Never got that high in level though back then, poor beta suffered so much from really bad broken things, like being unable to get out of the starter prison because map transition would crash you

That all being said, its not exactly rocket science to synergize something that works. Bretons/Altmer with magic in general, dunmer with fire (and maybe as a vampire since their passive 1575 flame resist negates the need for jewelry to get back to approximately base), khajiits as stealth spikers, etc.

Race + Profession + Spec + Stuff = winning if you put them all together towards the same goal.

it just stucks that stamina based builds really only work "somewhat" and magicka based builds are currently king.

For all you know that will change heavily in the months to come.

Nhilandra77 · June 2014

did it survive this nerf too? standard of might and magma armor just got hit by the nerf bat.

they are killing off dragonknights, im giving up on mine till the nerfing stops and I don't need to respect it yet again

JJDrakken · June 2014

monkeymystic wrote: »

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And like I said, DKs are terrible healers because the class lacks the utility for it, so they are left with tank or dps.

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Wanted to quote that part. You sir obviously know ***, I believe jack left town. My buddy is a DK Healer. Earth powers help mitigate dmg, while he heals. He does a great job & has had other folks ask him about being a DK healer.

renaud.moyneb16_ESO · June 2014

Rylana wrote: »

Oh im sorry, I dont make videos for the lolz, that being said id love to see yours of whatever pathetic profession spec you play =D

and this guy is a recruitement officier ?

C'mon buddy get down of that horse! You sound like you believe to be the only guenuine old school gamer out there... you're not... but you are a decent d00chebag thou !

But I admit that was a nice wall of ego text to NOT answer the question... You love to tell poeples about you, hmm ?

wllstrt75b14_ESO · June 2014

monkeymystic wrote: »

seneferab16_ESO wrote: »

...wait a second. Wasn't he the guy who claimed again and again and again that he played a Templar, not a DK?

...did you lie to us @monkeymystic...?

I play both, my main is a VR 12 Templar, and I also have a VR 4 dk alt. Also got a low VR sorc.

I am doing Trials for best time however, and if 1 class in our raid get a 30% dmg nerf, then this is my concern too.

one class? your doing it wrong..your team should all be DK's still to get best time. DK's can tank, heal and dps better then the rest..well you might want to add one templar healer but basically 11 or 12 DK's and you will be in the running for best trial group still.

ErykGrimm · June 2014

wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

seneferab16_ESO wrote: »

...wait a second. Wasn't he the guy who claimed again and again and again that he played a Templar, not a DK?

...did you lie to us @monkeymystic...?

I play both, my main is a VR 12 Templar, and I also have a VR 4 dk alt. Also got a low VR sorc.

I am doing Trials for best time however, and if 1 class in our raid get a 30% dmg nerf, then this is my concern too.

one class? your doing it wrong..your team should all be DK's still to get best time. DK's can tank, heal and dps better then the rest..well you might want to add one templar healer but basically 11 or 12 DK's and you will be in the running for best trial group still.

And isn't it a surprise? Nerfing dk will not fix night blades. It will not balance anything when only 2 classes are working right. Every ability dragon knight has could be nerfed, its still not going to fix other classes. There is no way to balance the content much less class disparity, without all the classes working right. Of course dk seems overpowered compared to 2 other classes, they are broken. The game had to be balanced in a way that the classes that were broken could still complete the content. Otherwise the slew of nerfs will continue, particularly night blades. They will finally get everything working, and then they will get nerfed right back into the ground.

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

That's great greg, In other news around Tamriel the infamous DK is still holding title for best class in game. Thanks again Tamriel here's Reezal-Jul with the weather.

The weather is done by Stares-at-Clouds.

cicondab16_ESO · June 2014

the magma armor nerf is just useless, i never used magma armor and never dead in craglorn as tank

the nerf of standard is just ridicolus, you started to nerf skill for pve purpose intead of pvp purpose, this is the same fault that broken gw2

same with the ultimate gain nerf, another pve nerf for both dk and sorc, of course you killed the nb with this nerf

rophez_ESO · June 2014

My character is a DK, and I can live with these changes. The one thing that bothers me is that I'm pretty sure it's going to be impossible to ever beat the pre-nerf trial times. So I guess those early adopters get to enjoy their records for a long, long time

Not a big deal to me - I don't get too excited about PVE speed runs.

Arsenic_Touch · June 2014

cicondab16_ESO wrote: »

same with the ultimate gain nerf, another pve nerf for both dk and sorc, of course you killed the nb with this nerf

It was a sweeping nerf, but yeah it will hurt NB the most. So I am deeply amused that the second nerf across all 4 classes got a "YOU NERFED DK" thread.

Custos91 · June 2014

Finally they should be in line with other classes!
Trials will onca again be a challenge^^

Head.hunter · June 2014

When you die at the hand of a dk, consider the player, not the class. The build, not the class, etc.

Not really a terrible nerf, it's just trials.

RylukShouja · June 2014

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

captain_awesome wrote: »

Good. This goes part of the way towards class balance.

Not far enough but it's a start. More to come I hope!

Im hoping impulse gets nerfed into dust I HATE seeing people run into a group of mobs and single handedly destroy them. Either lower the damage or extremely up the cost.

Luckly I just simply stay away from anything that looks OP. That's why I run a Templar 7HA 2 Hander never touched BItting Jabs.

FYI 1-50 Melee's wreck face, found my Templar WAY better as a Melee than he was with ranged.

I spam impulse. I also am currently training impulse. It destroys my magicka every pull I spam it. Please don't nerf impulse (again), or it will become completely useless to me.

FYI I am a Templar. I keep trying new skills because most of my class skills are meh at best, but the good weapon skills keep getting nerfed out from under me...guess I'm stuck with spamming the destro staff knockback so melee mobs don't wreck my face and dropping volcanic runes whenever I get a spare moment. Oh, and crossing my fingers that my class's complete lack of resource management doesn't catch up to me this pull.

Fix the classes before screaming nerfs. Maybe change how some class passives synergize with weapon skills before deciding it's the skill that needs nerfing. Because this game is so open and everyone can take skills, you have to consider more than just the effect on one single build of one single class.

Zenimax really opened a can of worms with this whole play as you want, very few skill lines that are not available to everyone method. It has the potential to be very cool...and the potential to cause major balance problems.

The nerf to DKs had to happen. Buffing classes to the point where DKs are is ridiculous at this point. Unfortunately, in such an open system, there is always collateral damage. I'm hoping that as the weeks go on, that the tweaks get less drastic and we get closer to achieving true balance.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO · June 2014

Dk should stop whining and be egoistic to themselfs.. DK is still the best class no please shut this, its freaking stupid

bg22 · June 2014

Now... I'll share the advice the every single DK was giving prior to the talons nerf.

Write this down because it was very helpful when you gave it to us just a few weeks ago.

L2P!

Boom! Now the circle is complete.

Carry on.

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

RylukShouja wrote: »

Stuff

I believe they aren't fixing our Magicka Management for different reasons.

1. The Templar class has strong healing line that "endless magicka" doesn't serve well to as then we would DPS and Heal quite well so the poor Magicka Management keeps us in line with the other classes without being OP.

OR

2. Our class is where they want us to be in the game while they bring the rest of the classes in line with Templars...this includes the Magicka Management. Reducing the amount of Magicka gain on all other classes actually serves quite well to the Magicka/Stamina balance.(This is my belief)

My personal opinion on the balance of Magicka vs Stamina....

Magicka is meant to be High Damage low sustainment.
Stamina is meant to be Standard Damage High Sustainment.

Stamina relies HEAVILY on Light/Heavy Attack for damage and their abilities are there for support and slight DPS burst, this would still be lower than Magicka burst.

Stamina builds ALSO benefit from the increased survivability that Stamina builds also bring IE Block, Dodge, Stun

Magicka is meant to run out bringing the DPS of an ALL Magicka user lower than that of a Stamina user.

Based off the above theory the system is broken. Magicka users DONT run out of Magicka and if they do its not fast enough nor long enough to really matter in the long run thus creating the imbalance we are seeing in the game.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · June 2014

I already see people shouting for tanks and tanks saying too bad weve been nerfed too much in zone now, as a tank I agree, weve been destroyed as a viable style.