DKs get 6th nerfhammer. RIP Non-staff/non-light armor DKs. Dks lack uniqueness that other class has

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · June 2014

Natjur wrote: »

I guess its time to reload my templar tank build cause being the tank as least I will get some 4 man instances done.

I did mate. Took some tweaking, and is working back again.

Still pretty hard to play solo on VR content, however it gets the job done.

Javelin is our best friend. Screw Biting Jabs. And the Dawn Wrath line has some "new found" abilities, to bring down the sky on the enemies. Both in PVP and PVE.

ErykGrimm · June 2014

Selstad wrote: »

ErykGrimm wrote: »

You missed the OPs entire point. As it stands, one class being "OP" is how trials are being done effectively. The point monkey is making is that instead of nerfing the class that is making trials possible, the classes that struggle in trials need to be buffed/fixed. People will enjoy the game a lot more if their class is fixed first instead of just making sure everyone is equally miserable.

I didn't miss the point, I understood the point, but having the trials hinging on a class being OP without doing anything with that class is a bad design choice. The nerf is inevitable anyway.

You can also say that trials are made easier than intended because you you have a class that are stronger than intended. Thus having one class "carry" the trials groups due to this isn't right at all.

They need to balance out the other classes, but they also had to change DKs as they sort of trivialized the content to a certain degree.

Like I said in another post, it is impossible to effectively balance the game when half of the classes are not working as intended. To think that the npcs in this game are not going to need tweaks in the near future is silly. All of the content had to be balanced so that broken classes could complete it. Nerfing classes before getting other classes working only inhibits the balancing of the game. Nerfs now just mean its going to take more patches and more time to get some semblance of balance.

Baphomet · June 2014

I have to say that the DK players have really been taking the recent nerfs like men; sucked it up and soldiered on - but even I have to say that it is getting too far now.

@ZOS, if you're going to take so much away from them in several areas, give them something back in others.

Beretic · June 2014

Nerf them harder imo. hit them harder with the bat and reduce the amount of healing they get from dragonsblood.

Maverick827 · June 2014

Beretic wrote: »

Nerf them harder imo. hit them harder with the bat and reduce the amount of healing they get from dragonsblood.

Why?

Inco · June 2014

ABOUT TIME ZOS!!!

Now the DK's are only 200% more DPS than Templars, but Night Blades seem to be moving up at least.

I have to agree with several folks in this thread... If you watched that DK Solo AA content and think a nerf wasn't inbound you need to visit a doctor very soon.

Want something to QQ about? How about they pull all those OP DK's former emperor titles/bonus and maybe AP's for those that abused DK/Vamp as well? Now THAT would be something to QQ about and I would still sit on the sidelines and clap for the "Balancing" brought back to this game. Sorry I'm running a Templar healer and watching all these OP DK's destroying things without trying in PVP/PVE (Yes I have a DK too) and get more pissed about the lack of real in game "Balance" having impact on Emperor Titles, APs, Trials Position/Time runs, rewards, etc.

I was amazed that PVP didn't have rollbacks or a reset of campaigns after the VAMPIRE issue surfaced. PVP stopped being fun for me as a Templar after the lack of balance was clearly not being addressed by ZOS. Have not stepped into PVP since then and I actually liked playing it in this game. Of course my ALT DK I have no issue doing PVP with him (Cause lets be honest - it's still pretty dang OP even after today).

Bottom line: DK's had that nerf inbound and everyone knows that. Heck I think they still need another one maybe AFTER Templars/NB's get BUFFED.

ShintaiDK · June 2014

Beretic · June 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

Beretic wrote: »

Nerf them harder imo. hit them harder with the bat and reduce the amount of healing they get from dragonsblood.

Why?

because no class should be able to tank heal and dps singlehanded.

Maverick827 · June 2014

Beretic wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Beretic wrote: »

Nerf them harder imo. hit them harder with the bat and reduce the amount of healing they get from dragonsblood.

Why?

because no class should be able to tank heal and dps singlehanded.

It's a good thing that Dragon's Blood doesn't allow for that to happen, then.

So again, why?

Beretic · June 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

Beretic wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Beretic wrote: »

Nerf them harder imo. hit them harder with the bat and reduce the amount of healing they get from dragonsblood.

Why?

because no class should be able to tank heal and dps singlehanded.

It's a good thing that Dragon's Blood doesn't allow for that to happen, then.

So again, why?

have you ever stepped foot in pvp my boy?

flguy147ub17_ESO · June 2014

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Phantorang wrote: »

I dont agree Stamina abilities should be just as powerful as magicka abilities, simply because the magicka abilities are class specific, the class abilities needs a certain edge.

The best would be if a synergy between sta and mag abilities made the most viable builds. But sadly only 5 abilities pr weapon limits the choices and mixes to much I think.

But what if some decent class abilities were stamina based instead of magicka?

[Mind Blown]

There is a still a problem with that, it takes stamina to block, dodge, sprint, break CC, etc. So unless there is an entire different resource outside of stamina to do those things then stamina based builds will always be inferior to magicka builds.

Maverick827 · June 2014

Beretic wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Beretic wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Beretic wrote: »

Nerf them harder imo. hit them harder with the bat and reduce the amount of healing they get from dragonsblood.

Why?

because no class should be able to tank heal and dps singlehanded.

It's a good thing that Dragon's Blood doesn't allow for that to happen, then.

So again, why?

have you ever stepped foot in pvp my boy?

Are you dodging my question?

Loco_Mofo · June 2014

Long overdue. Good work Zeni.

Now fix the other classes.

Maverick827 · June 2014

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Long overdue. Good work Zeni.

Now fix the other classes.

Why was it long overdue?

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

vicNBitis wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

Where are zenimax headed with all these continued DK nerfs?

In the right direction for a change. Long overdue. Hopefully it's not too little too late.

Honestly i have no problem with A DPs nerf to the DK's. the problem is people like you have screamed for nerfs of every single class ability of the DK.

Its pretty damn sad that the game has is dissolving to a *** pile every damn change they do. the truth is most of the other classes needed to be tuned up . sure Dk needed adjustment but dissolving its CC abilites as well as the survivability, has made some encounters in VR content un do able now for the average Joe.

Not only that they still have not addressed any of the issues of your favored class vic not one of them , nightblades still suck ass. and had nothing to do with your massive cry fests that DK's were overpowered. You completely totally dont understand not even the slightest problems of your melee friendly choice. the bottom line is any stamina based build specifically the night blade (because it lacks any real utility or group friendly abilities) will suck no matter how hard they nerf Dk or sorcs. Do you know why or do you even care.?
Its because the God damn armor passives suck ass in medium and heavy and melee abilites are coompletelty underpowered compared to magica, the pve mechanics severly punish melee. you will always be gimped until these issues are addressed Vic. Sadly im pretty sure you dont even play end game PVE and i suspect your major *** is how OP Dk's were in PVP.
Talons is now a uselss pile of grabage in PVE, Inhale was always a crap ability aside from using it as a ulti builder in that silly as DK light armor build. The abondon ship has now begun many of our guild has rolled out of night blade and templar to sorc actually due to how friggin easy it is to lvl them. and how damn easy it is to regain resources while DPsing. the abondon ship process has begun and why? becuase they chose to nerf classes instead of fix the broken ones. ESO is gonna get rather thin next month have fun on your night blade ganking an empty Cyrodil Vic.

Nomadh_ESO · June 2014

1.1.3 Patch Notes
Dragonknight

Fixed an issue that caused 80% of players to level/play Dragonknights

Sort of:-)

Sorry that Dk's got the nerfbat up their **autocensored**, would have prefer to see other classes buffed a little.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · June 2014

DK is basically unplayable for me now after patch after patch of nerfs.

Loco_Mofo · June 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Long overdue. Good work Zeni.

Now fix the other classes.

Why was it long overdue?

Are you kidding?

Have you been living under a rock?

Goibot · June 2014

Please stop the nerfs, all your doing is creating a ghost town.
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/105721/class-balancing/p1

Maverick827 · June 2014

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Long overdue. Good work Zeni.

Now fix the other classes.

Why was it long overdue?

Are you kidding?

Have you been living under a rock?

Is this your answer?

Ragekniv · June 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Long overdue. Good work Zeni.

Now fix the other classes.

Why was it long overdue?

Only the OP would say such a thing.

NBs and Templars have been broken since Beta, where was your sympathy or solidarity?

We have been kicking rocks on the edges of the ESO sandbox waiting patiently for class balance while Sorcs and DKs have been the OP FOTM for three months!

Rancid OP Sorc and DK L2P commentary certainly didn't help NB and Templar morale.

I wish Zenimax had been pro-active in resolving class balance. Unfortunately it appears class balance will occur in the negative by nerfing.

Hopefully we will all soon have a level playing field.

Loco_Mofo · June 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Long overdue. Good work Zeni.

Now fix the other classes.

Why was it long overdue?

Are you kidding?

Have you been living under a rock?

Is this your answer?

Yes, that's my answer.

Obviously you're a DK and when your class gets balanced, sure it hurts. I would've rather the two weaker classes get buffed, but this is Zeni, you have to take what you can get. The game was suffering in it's current state, if you don't see how this change benefits the whole game, then I'm just going to be wasting my time posting any further here.

JosephChip · June 2014

Bah. Another MMO succumbing to the nerf whiners. You can rest assured these bloody incompetents will ruin every game, if they manage to get some attention. Last patch I said that I hoped ZOS wouldn't persevere on the cheap nerfs path. It's clear now that it's what they have chosen to do, and I am jumping from this ship before it sinks completely. Let's hope the folks behind Camelot Unchained won't fall for these amateur mistakes.

Asava · June 2014

I guess ZOS thought that 10 DK/2 Temp trials were too op'd and wanted to include the other 2 classes to the mix.

indytims_ESO · June 2014

No attacks against the OP, but I haven't seen any hard evidence that "30%" is remotely accurate. Because crit was dropped from 3 to 1? Does that affect JUST DKs? Or everyone?

Is their DPS output about the same as sorcs/temps/NBs now? Or less?

Hard numbers before reaching for the pitchforks, please.

Tamanous · June 2014

Good start to bringing classes in line. Adjusting powers a few a time is smarter than overarching changes. The powers which actually require buffs will likely be easier to identify. There are far too many examples in all classes where players are using incredibly powerful powers to offset the inherent weakness of other abilities. This does not solve the underlying issues.

BrassRazoo · June 2014

Oh poor baby, Mummy kiss it better.

crislevin · June 2014

I am curious how that 30% actually played out, I guess more like 5%, slower, still same power.

This nerf is NOT enough.

dcincali · June 2014

So I'm gonna say the same thing everyone told the temps to do when BJ was nerfed... Just use a different skill.. There are plenty to choose from... Tables are turned now.. How are them apples?

Arsenic_Touch · June 2014

Phantorang wrote: »

An ultimate gain NERF isnt exclusive for DKs, this touches all the classes equally, so to make the impression that DKs are more dependent on ultimate for DPS than any other class is pretty lame.

That has to be just the beginning of a series of DK/(Sorcs too) Nerfs we are gonna see in the couple of next patches. With DPS at least 100% more than for example the Templar, equals another 40-50% reduced DPS for the DK, or the Templar gets 100% more.

Im all for boosting instead of nerfing, but thats not realistic, and who wants to play a game where you can solo 12 man content? Boring, but I guess some DKs and Sorcs thinks thats how its supposed to be.

Nailed it. Once again they do a broad change and the DKS start whining that they're being singled out, failing to realize that this will hurt other classes.