Nightblade Update

Cody · May 2014

oh and have you not seen a sorc spam AOEs and kill 6 people? or a DK toss down a banner, and just sit there and slaughter 10 people?

a NB cant do that. again, they don't compare.

Animus0724 · May 2014

I have an idea for Siphoning Strikes
-Make it a passive
-Drop the damage nerf
-Lower the Magicka/Stamina regen % if necessary/Or make it so that only crits restore Magicka/Stamina

This seems viable on a class that is so heavily dependent on magicka for its DPS output and quite squishy at the same time. We depend on magicka for our damage as well as survivability, as soon as that magicka bar drops to zero, we might as well be dead. Making it a passive will allow us to use that extra skill slot for something a bit more useful while also making our class useful in any situation.

Making NB attacks use up stam also seems viable instead of putting all of our offensive and defensive skill on one resource bar. If we use light armor for magicka regen bonuses, we lose our crit and stealth bonuses and might as well be a sorc. If we mix and match armor, the % bonus of the set will not be enough to make a difference.

Cody · May 2014

F7sus4 wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Thirdly, I would be nice to get our stealth mechanics buffed.

What does it mean "our" stealth mechanics? Is sneaking Nightblade-exclusive? You want to remove crouching from other classes? This is not going to happen, I assure you. So maybe you're implying the invisibility should last longer? Doesn't matter. They will be standing there blocking your anticipated sneak attack longer as well. The problem with Nightblade is as follows.

NBs need to be BETTER at sneaking, than the other classes. NBs should get stealth buffs, be harder to see in stealth, SOMETHING that makes them sneak better than others However, every class should be able to do some type of stealth.

Deathztalker · May 2014

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/105348/patch-v-1-1-3-preview/p1

Catalyst: This passive ability’s bonus has been increased to 15% for Rank I and 30% for Rank II.
Path of Darkness: This ability’s damage has been slightly increased.
Veil of Blades: This ability is now capable of critical strikes.

Zaxq · May 2014

Axewaffle wrote: »

nightblades are fine In pve, you want at least one in your group for the insane 30% mitigation with 100% uptime for your tank (plus another 15% from shades which is confirmed to work on many key boss fights), in addition to having the best execute damage per second in the game (yes more than mages), and decent enough dps for the rest of the fights that doesnt deminish with mobility (they can acheive the same dps runing circles around the boss if they want to).

With the new buffs comming in a few days, I expect to see our dps regularly go above 1k without breaking a sweat (with propper potion usage)

Nightblades are not fine in group PvE.

Execute dmg is irrelevant, since most classes can get access to an execute ability. Ours may be slightly better, but when that boss is already at 20% hp - who gives a crap? No-one will be saying "hurr, bring 6 NBs for impale spam! (let alone 1). If you havea group that gets the boss to 20-25% hp in enough time, they certainly will not give a s**t about 1x Impale for a few hundred extra dmg.

30% Dmg reduction for a tank is irrelevant. For a start, Magma armor will keep a DK tank alive indefinitely. How many times have you been invited purely for VoB?

VoB does NOT do "insane" damage at all. It does mediocre damage IF you put lots of points into Magicka. The fact that it can now crit will not do much to improve it. IIRC mine hits for approx 100dmg per 0.5s. Making it crit will be about 150. so 300 per sec. Awesome! oh, no wait. DK standard is better.Sorc Atronach is better. Heck, Templar Nova even hits harder.

Potion usage? Are you suggesting that youre the only person using a potion? Even taking a 30% increase into account, you'll get approx an extra 5-6 spell dmg for a few seconds over the classes without potion improves. Awesome.

Incoming buffs?? WTF are you smoking?

2 Lacklustre improvements I suppose you technically call buffs.

Try again.

Axewaffle · May 2014

Zaxq wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

nightblades are fine In pve, you want at least one in your group for the insane 30% mitigation with 100% uptime for your tank (plus another 15% from shades which is confirmed to work on many key boss fights), in addition to having the best execute damage per second in the game (yes more than mages), and decent enough dps for the rest of the fights that doesnt deminish with mobility (they can acheive the same dps runing circles around the boss if they want to).

With the new buffs comming in a few days, I expect to see our dps regularly go above 1k without breaking a sweat (with propper potion usage)

Nightblades are not fine in group PvE.

Execute dmg is irrelevant, since most classes can get access to an execute ability. Ours may be slightly better, but when that boss is already at 20% hp - who gives a crap? No-one will be saying "hurr, bring 6 NBs for impale spam! (let alone 1). If you havea group that gets the boss to 20-25% hp in enough time, they certainly will not give a s**t about 1x Impale for a few hundred extra dmg.

30% Dmg reduction for a tank is irrelevant. For a start, Magma armor will keep a DK tank alive indefinitely. How many times have you been invited purely for VoB?

VoB does NOT do "insane" damage at all. It does mediocre damage IF you put lots of points into Magicka. The fact that it can now crit will not do much to improve it. IIRC mine hits for approx 100dmg per 0.5s. Making it crit will be about 150. so 300 per sec. Awesome! oh, no wait. DK standard is better.Sorc Atronach is better. Heck, Templar Nova even hits harder.

Potion usage? Are you suggesting that youre the only person using a potion? Even taking a 30% increase into account, you'll get approx an extra 5-6 spell dmg for a few seconds over the classes without potion improves. Awesome.

Incoming buffs?? WTF are you smoking?

2 Lacklustre improvements I suppose you technically call buffs.

Try again.

You obviously don't understand endgame pve content then. Combined with shade your ult reduces boss damage by 45% and that's area, since almost all pve content requires stacking you can see the effectiveness that brings. viel of blades DOES do insane damage despite what you think. And only if you use magicka? News flash everyone only uses magicka if you use stamina you aren't doing it right. Also with all viable endgame builds rocking 60+ % spell crit viel is about to become borderline overpowered. And yes this skill has secured my spot in a trial a few times since it had 100% uptime.

That extra spell damage (and crit and regen which you failed to notice) lasts 13 seconds on a 30 second cool down that's almost 50% uptime if you do endgame right, if you think a flat 30% is not going to help you obviously don't understand this games mechanics.

Our execute being the best in the game us a big deal, 25% ( the moment It works is a quarter if the fight (the most important part of the fight, it's when the most damage is needed and we can deliver, think final boss of AA...

You obviously don't understand endgame my friend. Come back to me when you can beat the first boss of AA lol

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2014

Axewaffle wrote: »

Zaxq wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

nightblades are fine In pve, you want at least one in your group for the insane 30% mitigation with 100% uptime for your tank (plus another 15% from shades which is confirmed to work on many key boss fights), in addition to having the best execute damage per second in the game (yes more than mages), and decent enough dps for the rest of the fights that doesnt deminish with mobility (they can acheive the same dps runing circles around the boss if they want to).

With the new buffs comming in a few days, I expect to see our dps regularly go above 1k without breaking a sweat (with propper potion usage)

Nightblades are not fine in group PvE.

Execute dmg is irrelevant, since most classes can get access to an execute ability. Ours may be slightly better, but when that boss is already at 20% hp - who gives a crap? No-one will be saying "hurr, bring 6 NBs for impale spam! (let alone 1). If you havea group that gets the boss to 20-25% hp in enough time, they certainly will not give a s**t about 1x Impale for a few hundred extra dmg.

30% Dmg reduction for a tank is irrelevant. For a start, Magma armor will keep a DK tank alive indefinitely. How many times have you been invited purely for VoB?

VoB does NOT do "insane" damage at all. It does mediocre damage IF you put lots of points into Magicka. The fact that it can now crit will not do much to improve it. IIRC mine hits for approx 100dmg per 0.5s. Making it crit will be about 150. so 300 per sec. Awesome! oh, no wait. DK standard is better.Sorc Atronach is better. Heck, Templar Nova even hits harder.

Potion usage? Are you suggesting that youre the only person using a potion? Even taking a 30% increase into account, you'll get approx an extra 5-6 spell dmg for a few seconds over the classes without potion improves. Awesome.

Incoming buffs?? WTF are you smoking?

2 Lacklustre improvements I suppose you technically call buffs.

Try again.

viel of blades DOES do insane damage despite what you think.

Compared to what?

Axewaffle · May 2014

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

Zaxq wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

nightblades are fine In pve, you want at least one in your group for the insane 30% mitigation with 100% uptime for your tank (plus another 15% from shades which is confirmed to work on many key boss fights), in addition to having the best execute damage per second in the game (yes more than mages), and decent enough dps for the rest of the fights that doesnt deminish with mobility (they can acheive the same dps runing circles around the boss if they want to).

With the new buffs comming in a few days, I expect to see our dps regularly go above 1k without breaking a sweat (with propper potion usage)

Nightblades are not fine in group PvE.

Execute dmg is irrelevant, since most classes can get access to an execute ability. Ours may be slightly better, but when that boss is already at 20% hp - who gives a crap? No-one will be saying "hurr, bring 6 NBs for impale spam! (let alone 1). If you havea group that gets the boss to 20-25% hp in enough time, they certainly will not give a s**t about 1x Impale for a few hundred extra dmg.

30% Dmg reduction for a tank is irrelevant. For a start, Magma armor will keep a DK tank alive indefinitely. How many times have you been invited purely for VoB?

VoB does NOT do "insane" damage at all. It does mediocre damage IF you put lots of points into Magicka. The fact that it can now crit will not do much to improve it. IIRC mine hits for approx 100dmg per 0.5s. Making it crit will be about 150. so 300 per sec. Awesome! oh, no wait. DK standard is better.Sorc Atronach is better. Heck, Templar Nova even hits harder.

Potion usage? Are you suggesting that youre the only person using a potion? Even taking a 30% increase into account, you'll get approx an extra 5-6 spell dmg for a few seconds over the classes without potion improves. Awesome.

Incoming buffs?? WTF are you smoking?

2 Lacklustre improvements I suppose you technically call buffs.

Try again.

viel of blades DOES do insane damage despite what you think.

Compared to what?

Every other available ultimate.

Gern_Verkheart · May 2014

Axewaffle wrote: »

And only if you use magicka? News flash everyone only uses magicka if you use stamina you aren't doing it right.

Right there, that right there is what is wrong, because you are absolutely right.

They need to fix medium armor and stamina builds; stamina builds should be just as viable as magicka builds. As it stands right now, this game is nothing but a bunch of casters and tanks.

If Zenimax doesn't want to change this, then they should just delete medium armor, dual wield, two handed weapons and bows from the game.

Axewaffle · May 2014

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

And only if you use magicka? News flash everyone only uses magicka if you use stamina you aren't doing it right.

Right there, that right there is what is wrong, because you are absolutely right.

They need to fix medium armor and stamina builds; stamina builds should be just as viable as magicka builds. As it stands right now, this game is nothing but a bunch of casters and tanks.

If Zenimax doesn't want to change this, then they should just delete medium armor, dual wield, two handed weapons and bows from the game.

Don't forget bow that sucks pretty frigging hard too

(Edit - well you edited before I replied and now I look silly )

Erlindur · May 2014

Axewaffle wrote: »

Erlindur wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

The +30% potion buff is monumental. When running spellcrit/power potions the damage increase will add up... ALOT. Think past healing potions people, the best potions to use are the damage increasing ones.

I just wonder...

A DK, a sorc and a NB walk into a bar. All three drink the same spellcrit/power potion. Who has the biggest dps output?

Edit: I seriously wonder about it. Has anyone run any tests with the current catalyst?

It will probebly be the same result it is now, NB behind dk and sorc. However these buffs will bring us close to sorc dps output, and maintain our group utility. This is a very positive step for nightblades in PvE. (keep in mind, NB execute dps out performs mage execute dps, with the potion buffs and newly added chance to crit, these execute numbers are set to rise further, granting NB a place in certain trial loadouts in the future a possibility)

I'll give those potions a try but you still haven't answer my question. Right now, Catalyst is at 20%. Does that give you an edge over sorcs if you spam it? Will that new value of 30% make a difference? And finally, if that same sorc starts spaming the same pots with you, can you still catch up his dmg output with the catalyst upgrade?

I really want to know. Somehow I neglected potions, even with my maxed alchemy.

Axewaffle · May 2014

Erlindur wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

Erlindur wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

The +30% potion buff is monumental. When running spellcrit/power potions the damage increase will add up... ALOT. Think past healing potions people, the best potions to use are the damage increasing ones.

I just wonder...

A DK, a sorc and a NB walk into a bar. All three drink the same spellcrit/power potion. Who has the biggest dps output?

Edit: I seriously wonder about it. Has anyone run any tests with the current catalyst?

It will probebly be the same result it is now, NB behind dk and sorc. However these buffs will bring us close to sorc dps output, and maintain our group utility. This is a very positive step for nightblades in PvE. (keep in mind, NB execute dps out performs mage execute dps, with the potion buffs and newly added chance to crit, these execute numbers are set to rise further, granting NB a place in certain trial loadouts in the future a possibility)

I'll give those potions a try but you still haven't answer my question. Right now, Catalyst is at 20%. Does that give you an edge over sorcs if you spam it? Will that new value of 30% make a difference? And finally, if that same sorc starts spaming the same pots with you, can you still catch up his dmg output with the catalyst upgrade?

I really want to know. Somehow I neglected potions, even with my maxed alchemy.

With potions at catalyst you'll be running near 100% crit chance not to mention the spell power upgrade. The extra 30% (10% more than before) is one of the key factors to nb dps being so high during execute phases.

In answer to your question it may or may not, it will require testing with the new veil buff.. But regardless it's a boost to dps that will make us more desirable.

F7sus4 · May 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

I am one of the worst players in PvP, and iv won a lot of 1v1s with a NB. its not hard, just get the first stealth hit, fight, go invisible eveyr few seconds, coricle around, strike, rinse and repeat.

This is, actually, a proof somewhat to what you have said in the first sentence. Every experienced PvPer will start to block as soon as you go invisible.

NookyZooky wrote: »

half its (NB) abilities dont work, and its damage is crap compared to other classes. not only that, but the NB gets no stealth bonuses? wth? the NB should be BETTER AT sneaking than the other classes.

Agreed. I won't be mad, if NB was the only class capable of sneaking.

Eivar · May 2014

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

The problem with balance is that it can get out of hand really quickly, and depending on what you change the whole game is affected. Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love to see changes to NB's so I can finally get a group for trials, but it's pretty rough.

On the other hand, I have yet to see someone matching up to a NB in PvP. I have one shotted people, taken on just about every class in a 1v1 or even a 2v

During defense, dropping down walls to their back lines, killing the siege guys and burning sieges...mmm nothing feels better.

What I'm saying is they have to really be careful in class balance. What may be fine in pve might not be fine in pvp.

With that said, what they need to think about is whether they want to make magicka the 'main' source of dps and leave stamina to utility (breaking out of CC, rolling, sprinting), or whether they want to make stamina based dps a thing too. Depending on which they are trying to do will drastically change things. If they want every class to stick with magicka, then medium armor may need some changes (like providing benefits to the magicka area).

I NB in cyrodiil as well, absolutely love harrying the sides of the enemy groups, burning their sieges while they fire them. Last night a friend of mine and I did that for a couple hours, AD was forcing a group on our side off, i think arrius, mine to arrius farm, we'd come in hit the sides and disappear, 10-15 AD would come looking for us, and our factions group having less guys to fight would be able to force them back again. Nb may not be able to wade into combat like a DK or just straight up bomb guys like sorcs, but you can have an interesting effect on combat in large groups :P

Animus0724 · May 2014

Eivar wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

The problem with balance is that it can get out of hand really quickly, and depending on what you change the whole game is affected. Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love to see changes to NB's so I can finally get a group for trials, but it's pretty rough.

On the other hand, I have yet to see someone matching up to a NB in PvP. I have one shotted people, taken on just about every class in a 1v1 or even a 2v

During defense, dropping down walls to their back lines, killing the siege guys and burning sieges...mmm nothing feels better.

What I'm saying is they have to really be careful in class balance. What may be fine in pve might not be fine in pvp.

With that said, what they need to think about is whether they want to make magicka the 'main' source of dps and leave stamina to utility (breaking out of CC, rolling, sprinting), or whether they want to make stamina based dps a thing too. Depending on which they are trying to do will drastically change things. If they want every class to stick with magicka, then medium armor may need some changes (like providing benefits to the magicka area).

I NB in cyrodiil as well, absolutely love harrying the sides of the enemy groups, burning their sieges while they fire them. Last night a friend of mine and I did that for a couple hours, AD was forcing a group on our side off, i think arrius, mine to arrius farm, we'd come in hit the sides and disappear, 10-15 AD would come looking for us, and our factions group having less guys to fight would be able to force them back again. Nb may not be able to wade into combat like a DK or just straight up bomb guys like sorcs, but you can have an interesting effect on combat in large groups :P

Yea that's why we have sorcs with mage light running around the sieges...

Eivar · May 2014

Animus0724 wrote: »

Eivar wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

The problem with balance is that it can get out of hand really quickly, and depending on what you change the whole game is affected. Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love to see changes to NB's so I can finally get a group for trials, but it's pretty rough.

On the other hand, I have yet to see someone matching up to a NB in PvP. I have one shotted people, taken on just about every class in a 1v1 or even a 2v

During defense, dropping down walls to their back lines, killing the siege guys and burning sieges...mmm nothing feels better.

What I'm saying is they have to really be careful in class balance. What may be fine in pve might not be fine in pvp.

With that said, what they need to think about is whether they want to make magicka the 'main' source of dps and leave stamina to utility (breaking out of CC, rolling, sprinting), or whether they want to make stamina based dps a thing too. Depending on which they are trying to do will drastically change things. If they want every class to stick with magicka, then medium armor may need some changes (like providing benefits to the magicka area).

I NB in cyrodiil as well, absolutely love harrying the sides of the enemy groups, burning their sieges while they fire them. Last night a friend of mine and I did that for a couple hours, AD was forcing a group on our side off, i think arrius, mine to arrius farm, we'd come in hit the sides and disappear, 10-15 AD would come looking for us, and our factions group having less guys to fight would be able to force them back again. Nb may not be able to wade into combat like a DK or just straight up bomb guys like sorcs, but you can have an interesting effect on combat in large groups :P

Yea that's why we have sorcs with mage light running around the sieges...

I agree, which makes it more difficult sometimes, but not always, and you'd be suprised how many people don't. What's really funny is how many people waste their time chasing you down only to have their siege burn completely lol.

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2014

Axewaffle wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

Zaxq wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

nightblades are fine In pve, you want at least one in your group for the insane 30% mitigation with 100% uptime for your tank (plus another 15% from shades which is confirmed to work on many key boss fights), in addition to having the best execute damage per second in the game (yes more than mages), and decent enough dps for the rest of the fights that doesnt deminish with mobility (they can acheive the same dps runing circles around the boss if they want to).

With the new buffs comming in a few days, I expect to see our dps regularly go above 1k without breaking a sweat (with propper potion usage)

Nightblades are not fine in group PvE.

Execute dmg is irrelevant, since most classes can get access to an execute ability. Ours may be slightly better, but when that boss is already at 20% hp - who gives a crap? No-one will be saying "hurr, bring 6 NBs for impale spam! (let alone 1). If you havea group that gets the boss to 20-25% hp in enough time, they certainly will not give a s**t about 1x Impale for a few hundred extra dmg.

30% Dmg reduction for a tank is irrelevant. For a start, Magma armor will keep a DK tank alive indefinitely. How many times have you been invited purely for VoB?

VoB does NOT do "insane" damage at all. It does mediocre damage IF you put lots of points into Magicka. The fact that it can now crit will not do much to improve it. IIRC mine hits for approx 100dmg per 0.5s. Making it crit will be about 150. so 300 per sec. Awesome! oh, no wait. DK standard is better.Sorc Atronach is better. Heck, Templar Nova even hits harder.

Potion usage? Are you suggesting that youre the only person using a potion? Even taking a 30% increase into account, you'll get approx an extra 5-6 spell dmg for a few seconds over the classes without potion improves. Awesome.

Incoming buffs?? WTF are you smoking?

2 Lacklustre improvements I suppose you technically call buffs.

Try again.

viel of blades DOES do insane damage despite what you think.

Compared to what?

Every other available ultimate.

Right.

Beretic · May 2014

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

Zaxq wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

nightblades are fine In pve, you want at least one in your group for the insane 30% mitigation with 100% uptime for your tank (plus another 15% from shades which is confirmed to work on many key boss fights), in addition to having the best execute damage per second in the game (yes more than mages), and decent enough dps for the rest of the fights that doesnt deminish with mobility (they can acheive the same dps runing circles around the boss if they want to).

With the new buffs comming in a few days, I expect to see our dps regularly go above 1k without breaking a sweat (with propper potion usage)

Nightblades are not fine in group PvE.

Execute dmg is irrelevant, since most classes can get access to an execute ability. Ours may be slightly better, but when that boss is already at 20% hp - who gives a crap? No-one will be saying "hurr, bring 6 NBs for impale spam! (let alone 1). If you havea group that gets the boss to 20-25% hp in enough time, they certainly will not give a s**t about 1x Impale for a few hundred extra dmg.

30% Dmg reduction for a tank is irrelevant. For a start, Magma armor will keep a DK tank alive indefinitely. How many times have you been invited purely for VoB?

VoB does NOT do "insane" damage at all. It does mediocre damage IF you put lots of points into Magicka. The fact that it can now crit will not do much to improve it. IIRC mine hits for approx 100dmg per 0.5s. Making it crit will be about 150. so 300 per sec. Awesome! oh, no wait. DK standard is better.Sorc Atronach is better. Heck, Templar Nova even hits harder.

Potion usage? Are you suggesting that youre the only person using a potion? Even taking a 30% increase into account, you'll get approx an extra 5-6 spell dmg for a few seconds over the classes without potion improves. Awesome.

Incoming buffs?? WTF are you smoking?

2 Lacklustre improvements I suppose you technically call buffs.

Try again.

viel of blades DOES do insane damage despite what you think.

Compared to what?

Every other available ultimate.

Right.

He must be a blinking sorc dk dropping moving banners then biting jabs while he blinks.

lol but no really. Veil of Blades sucks. Even with the new crit chance. it sucks, and its the best one we have. Personally I use soul assault/meteor over any of my max level NB ults.

Gern_Verkheart · May 2014

Beretic wrote: »

...Veil of Blades sucks. Even with the new crit chance. it sucks, and its the best one we have. Personally I use soul assault/meteor over any of my max level NB ults.

What's wrong with Soul Tether? That one does a lot of damage, and has saved my ass an numerous occasions.

Hamfast · June 2014

Has anyone noticed if their normal swings are hitting after you use Teleport Strikes? A Guild Mate pointed this out and it dawned on me that he was right, but it may only be for the short races... tied more to the range to loot an item then anything nightblade related, but as a Bosmer, I seem to have to step forward after I use Lotus Fan (Morph of Teleport strikes) to hit my target again... I had assumed it was knock-back from my attack, but there is no knock-back associated with it in the description, just the chance of a snare...

Do the tall races have the same problem or is it just us vertically challenged races?

Axewaffle · June 2014

Beretic wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

Zaxq wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

nightblades are fine In pve, you want at least one in your group for the insane 30% mitigation with 100% uptime for your tank (plus another 15% from shades which is confirmed to work on many key boss fights), in addition to having the best execute damage per second in the game (yes more than mages), and decent enough dps for the rest of the fights that doesnt deminish with mobility (they can acheive the same dps runing circles around the boss if they want to).

With the new buffs comming in a few days, I expect to see our dps regularly go above 1k without breaking a sweat (with propper potion usage)

Nightblades are not fine in group PvE.

Execute dmg is irrelevant, since most classes can get access to an execute ability. Ours may be slightly better, but when that boss is already at 20% hp - who gives a crap? No-one will be saying "hurr, bring 6 NBs for impale spam! (let alone 1). If you havea group that gets the boss to 20-25% hp in enough time, they certainly will not give a s**t about 1x Impale for a few hundred extra dmg.

30% Dmg reduction for a tank is irrelevant. For a start, Magma armor will keep a DK tank alive indefinitely. How many times have you been invited purely for VoB?

VoB does NOT do "insane" damage at all. It does mediocre damage IF you put lots of points into Magicka. The fact that it can now crit will not do much to improve it. IIRC mine hits for approx 100dmg per 0.5s. Making it crit will be about 150. so 300 per sec. Awesome! oh, no wait. DK standard is better.Sorc Atronach is better. Heck, Templar Nova even hits harder.

Potion usage? Are you suggesting that youre the only person using a potion? Even taking a 30% increase into account, you'll get approx an extra 5-6 spell dmg for a few seconds over the classes without potion improves. Awesome.

Incoming buffs?? WTF are you smoking?

2 Lacklustre improvements I suppose you technically call buffs.

Try again.

viel of blades DOES do insane damage despite what you think.

Compared to what?

Every other available ultimate.

Right.

He must be a blinking sorc dk dropping moving banners then biting jabs while he blinks.

lol but no really. Veil of Blades sucks. Even with the new crit chance. it sucks, and its the best one we have. Personally I use soul assault/meteor over any of my max level NB ults.

VoB Does not suck, not sure what you are smoking but it does up to three times more damage than Soul Tether over its duration, in addition to granting a strong synergy that increases movement speed and drops threat on anybody that uses it- and lets not forget the 60% mitigation for the caster and 30% for anyone standing on it... Oh and it has a 100% uptime accounting from anywhere between 10-40% of your dps, depending on how many targets it hits... The ultimate is frigging strong, and when it can crit you better believe it is a massive dps boost considering its strong already without crit.

OkieDokie · June 2014

Axewaffle wrote: »

nightblades are fine In pve, you want at least one in your group for the insane 30% mitigation with 100% uptime for your tank (plus another 15% from shades which is confirmed to work on many key boss fights), in addition to having the best execute damage per second in the game (yes more than mages), and decent enough dps for the rest of the fights that doesnt deminish with mobility (they can acheive the same dps runing circles around the boss if they want to).

With the new buffs comming in a few days, I expect to see our dps regularly go above 1k without breaking a sweat (with propper potion usage)

So, you are saying that now you can get 900 sustainable dps for single target? Because if you don't, you can't get over 1k. If you can, please share (no irony), I'd like to see that in a NB because I can get over 1k just with 5-7 packs.

In addition, if you must use pots 100% of time to make it competitive, it is not "fine" mate. It is clearly unbalanced and a drain of resources.

I'm not sure about the ultimate, what's the dps now? Actual numbers? I cannot see how it makes the class "fine" anyway. Sustainable dps for single target is way behind others.

ps: 2000 magicka and 90 spell power should give you 180 dps for 15-17 seconds. I fail to see it as an insane damage.

Blinks · June 2014

NightBlade : "Erm... excuse me Mr Zenimax team Leader"....."

Zenimax : "Yes?"

NightBlade : "Will I get a little lovin soon?"

Zenimax : [snip] Please!

Axewaffle · June 2014

OkieDokie wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

nightblades are fine In pve, you want at least one in your group for the insane 30% mitigation with 100% uptime for your tank (plus another 15% from shades which is confirmed to work on many key boss fights), in addition to having the best execute damage per second in the game (yes more than mages), and decent enough dps for the rest of the fights that doesnt deminish with mobility (they can acheive the same dps runing circles around the boss if they want to).

With the new buffs comming in a few days, I expect to see our dps regularly go above 1k without breaking a sweat (with propper potion usage)

So, you are saying that now you can get 900 sustainable dps for single target? Because if you don't, you can't get over 1k. If you can, please share (no irony), I'd like to see that in a NB because I can get over 1k just with 5-7 packs.

In addition, if you must use pots 100% of time to make it competitive, it is not "fine" mate. It is clearly unbalanced and a drain of resources.

I'm not sure about the ultimate, what's the dps now? Actual numbers? I cannot see how it makes the class "fine" anyway. Sustainable dps for single target is way behind others.

ps: 2000 magicka and 90 spell power should give you 180 dps for 15-17 seconds. I fail to see it as an insane damage.

You are forgetting the near 40% crit aswell. I agree that running pots is a drain but it's necessary to compete ATM, the fact that we can compete alone against such op builds is a testiment to our class.

Sustained dps is like 750-850 st. That rises to over 1300 on execute phased to average your dps to around 900-1000 depending on other factors like banners and rng and whatnot.

Actual numbers for viel ATM for me in endgame gear is like 140 damage to all targets in the area per 0.5 seconds. ATM this does not crit and still does strong dps. Every nb should use this for pve even though it doesn't crit. When it does expect a big rise in damage.

jelliedsoup · June 2014

Axewaffle wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

And only if you use magicka? News flash everyone only uses magicka if you use stamina you aren't doing it right.

Right there, that right there is what is wrong, because you are absolutely right.

They need to fix medium armor and stamina builds; stamina builds should be just as viable as magicka builds. As it stands right now, this game is nothing but a bunch of casters and tanks.

If Zenimax doesn't want to change this, then they should just delete medium armor, dual wield, two handed weapons and bows from the game.

Don't forget bow that sucks pretty frigging hard too

(Edit - well you edited before I replied and now I look silly )

Bow is not as bad as medium armour nb in melee combat.

OkieDokie · June 2014

Axewaffle wrote: »

You are forgetting the near 40% crit aswell. I agree that running pots is a drain but it's necessary to compete ATM, the fact that we can compete alone against such op builds is a testiment to our class.

Sustained dps is like 750-850 st. That rises to over 1300 on execute phased to average your dps to around 900-1000 depending on other factors like banners and rng and whatnot.

Actual numbers for viel ATM for me in endgame gear is like 140 damage to all targets in the area per 0.5 seconds. ATM this does not crit and still does strong dps. Every nb should use this for pve even though it doesn't crit. When it does expect a big rise in damage.

That is a pretty decent single target. May I ask what's your rotation?

Are you sure atm VoB is doing that? Because this calc here (http://esohead.com/skills/36485-veil-of-blades) is reasonably accurate and according to it you'd need 2.2k magicka and almost 190 spell damage to get that. Again, no irony, I normally use the vampire ultimate as a solo player.

Karikin · June 2014

Alright... I guess I will put in my two cents as well...

First off, I want to applaud ZoS for trying to work on this, they are not doing it perfectly and I think they need to make broken class abilities more of a priority then additional content... BUT I have been in many MMOs going all the way back to ultimate online and they are making a lot more progress then the majority of them did this early in age of their games.

As for the actual topic, night blades, I believe they need a lot of love.

I started out with a stamina build bow/dw vampire with ambush and shadows slotted. I ended up having to change my spec because bow DPS is completely pathetic and dw skills can do a lot of damage but takes too long to do it, so I know how bad the stamina build is.... And yes I know those abilities are are not NB specific, but they are impossible to play on a class designed for a quick kill from stealth (which is also part of the problem for pve since you can never kill a boss quickly).

I am now balanced between NB only abilities plus flurry slotted/bow with vamp abilities. This build allows me to use the very usable(though not on par with dk/sorc especially when you count in survivability) assassin DPS abilities and the more powerful long range AoE and higher DPS bow abilities (plus take advantage of vamp health drain and passives)

We will see if the fixes coming (which should REALLY happen before a month from now) will bring the NB abilities on par with other classes since I am more then happy with my play experience so far even if it could and should be better.

But again, the stamina based abilities from weapons such as bow/dw really needs looked at

Karikin · June 2014

Also please ignore typos as I posted this from an ipad and Siri is an idiot

Axewaffle · June 2014

OkieDokie wrote: »

Axewaffle wrote: »

You are forgetting the near 40% crit aswell. I agree that running pots is a drain but it's necessary to compete ATM, the fact that we can compete alone against such op builds is a testiment to our class.

Sustained dps is like 750-850 st. That rises to over 1300 on execute phased to average your dps to around 900-1000 depending on other factors like banners and rng and whatnot.

Actual numbers for viel ATM for me in endgame gear is like 140 damage to all targets in the area per 0.5 seconds. ATM this does not crit and still does strong dps. Every nb should use this for pve even though it doesn't crit. When it does expect a big rise in damage.

That is a pretty decent single target. May I ask what's your rotation?

Are you sure atm VoB is doing that? Because this calc here (http://esohead.com/skills/36485-veil-of-blades) is reasonably accurate and according to it you'd need 2.2k magicka and almost 190 spell damage to get that. Again, no irony, I normally use the vampire ultimate as a solo player.

2.4k Magicka with food buffs, 135 Spelldamage. For solo I usualy run vamp ult aswell for the unkillable factor. Thats without potions (which are always up before an ult).

Blinks · June 2014

Sorc v NightBlade = 1-0

DragonKnight v NightBlade 1-0

DragonKnight v Sorc *walk up shake hands, cuddle, walk away*