moonsugar66 wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Never in the history of MMOs has anyone come to a forum and complained they have too much bank space.

ikr??!

I reflected on this in a similar thread back in beta. It seems the anti more space people prefer a cramped efficiency apartment style bank as opposed to a more adequate amount of space. Crazy, indeed!

I don't even know if they understand what they're arguing for. I get the sense a lot of them just assume that the forums are here for people to argue in. For example, I addressed the "hoarding" accusation about 10 times now and they're still coming in, reading 2 sentences and deciding that's the problem.

If the problem doesn't effect you then that's fine, move along. If you have some point to make as to why the inventory should remain small, make it (though nobody yet has). There is no negative consequence to having a larger inventory for those who need it.

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Stop trying to hoard everything - put it to use - sell to merchant -craft items - deconstruct items. Don't try to master every crafting skill. After a session of questing, hunting and dungeons and my pack is full - I take a break, go to town unload all of the crap - sell or decon - then go back out with a clean pack.

Man, is it that hard to do? and YES this has been discussed - boringly - many times before if you read the forums.

So stop reading then. If you don't like a thread, and have no care for it. Then don;t read, and certainly don't post and move on. Instead of pressing what you think we should do. Man is that to hard to do? Works both ways. Your saying nothing anyone else has said anyway.

I fail to see anyway, how you can say it has been discussed over when you have not even bothered to address the core issues that have been said in this thread.

I am mastering as many crafts as I can on different characters. Not all on one. Which impacts things as it is. Your "solution" does not take that into account at all.

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Stop trying to hoard everything - put it to use - sell to merchant -craft items - deconstruct items. Don't try to master every crafting skill. After a session of questing, hunting and dungeons and my pack is full - I take a break, go to town unload all of the crap - sell or decon - then go back out with a clean pack.

Man, is it that hard to do? and YES this has been discussed - boringly - many times before if you read the forums.

Please answer the OP's question. Why would having more inventory space from the start be a bad thing?

My characters should be the vestige taking on Molag Bal, not some supply clerk playing a logistics game back at town X. And no I do not hoard; however, my kill/sort ratio is pretty low.

Orizuru wrote: »

Chrysolis wrote: »

If the problem doesn't effect you then that's fine, move along. If you have some point to make as to why the inventory should remain small, make it (though nobody yet has). There is no negative consequence to having a larger inventory for those who need it.

Except there are consequences to increasing inventory space for everyone.

The devs have already stated quite bluntly that inventory size is meant to limit your ability to level all the crafting skills at the same time. It's intended to force you to narrow your focus when crafting if you want to have space in your inventory for other things.

When you understand the design philosophy, it doesn't take a genius to recognize that the developers will desire to take other actions to limit crafting in other ways that could end up reducing the options available to all players in unknown ways.

Besides, simply adding more inventory space won't solve your problem. It just delays the problem. If you don't enjoy organizing and managing 100 inventory slots, you won't enjoy it 200 or 300 either. You can just ignore the problem for a longer period of time before the game forces you do something about it.

I see asking for more inventory space as a form of procrastination really.

The amount of inventory space needed is finite. It's not like I'm just holding onto things because I don't want to take the time to sell or deconstruct them. So yes, more inventory space would solve my problem. That's why I'm proposing these solutions.

I've mentioned this before, but even if a character was limited to 1 craft at a time we're only talking about 5 necessary characters in concordance with the 5 crafts. The space utilized is more than that. Unless you're saying that one person's account should only support a limited number of crafts, which I simply don't and will not agree with.

Orizuru wrote: »

The devs have already stated quite bluntly that inventory size is meant to limit your ability to level all the crafting skills at the same time. It's intended to force you to narrow your focus when crafting if you want to have space in your inventory for other things.

When you understand the design philosophy, it doesn't take a genius to recognize that the developers will desire to take other actions to limit crafting in other ways that could end up reducing the options available to all players in unknown ways.

Ah, "play anyway you want" in full glory again.

Well if that be true, than all the more reason to give each character a bank each. Since, then we would not be sharing banks between them all, and characters are limited in how many crafts they want.

Can't see why the devs wanted it, and just because they did, does not mean it is a good idea. But, myself I don;t want any of my characters to craft more than 2 professions anyway. But that is me.

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Chrysolis wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

I have no problem with my inventory, and I havent yet gotten the last bag and bank upgrade. I have about 130 spots right now, and I can quest for 2-3 hours before full and picking EVERYTHING up. I think the OP has a management issue, not the game.

Good for you. By the way, the maximum amount of inventory space is 110.

So its obvious you just want an unlimited bag, and to do whatever pleases you despite the game design; and to hell with dev vision?

It's obvious you have not really read through my points or you'd not be spewing off the same tired BS I've addressed a dozen times. I'm not wasting the time, the information is there if you cared.

Blackwidow wrote: »

Who cares if players are happy?

There is your bag space answer right there.

Seems to me like you are the most illogical person on the forums these days.

Lodestar wrote: »

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Stop trying to hoard everything - put it to use - sell to merchant -craft items - deconstruct items. Don't try to master every crafting skill. After a session of questing, hunting and dungeons and my pack is full - I take a break, go to town unload all of the crap - sell or decon - then go back out with a clean pack.

Man, is it that hard to do? and YES this has been discussed - boringly - many times before if you read the forums.

So stop reading then. If you don't like a thread, and have no care for it. Then don;t read, and certainly don't post and move on. Instead of pressing what you think we should do. Man is that to hard to do? Works both ways. Your saying nothing anyone else has said anyway.

I fail to see anyway, how you can say it has been discussed over when you have not even bothered to address the core issues that have been said in this thread.

I am mastering as many crafts as I can on different characters. Not all on one. Which impacts things as it is. Your "solution" does not take that into account at all.

No, stop posting about it - its a dead horse - it was not intended for you to master every craft and be able to hoard (and it is hoarding) every item you want to keep.

Paid bank/bag space rather than increases in space when you hit certain levels is all about the F2P phase that ESO will enter in a year or so.

Just look at STO (Star Trek Online). When it first came out you earned increased inventory space. My Admirals were topped out on space. I took a break then returned well into it's F2P phase with the Romulan expansion I found the new Rommie I rolled had little inventory space, I figured as ranked my space would increase, it didn't. And it wouldn't unless I paid real money for bank slots. Same with the account bank which was new to me in STO as at release there wasn't an account bank.

So give it awhile, ESO will go F2P then you can have all the inventory space your real life money can buy.

F2P mmos make more money than P2P mmos according to several game sites so you know it's gonna happen. Have read that F2P mmos make 2 to 3 times the income of a P2P game. And considering the amount of money I have dumped into World of Tanks I don't doubt it.

It's not that they want to make inventory fun or realistic. The reason for limiting banks and bags is server space. Each character is stored on a server, the more items the bigger the file size of your toon becomes. It's like asking icloud why can't we have unlimited space for free?

Cause it costs $$$ think how big that database would be if everyone had unlimited bag space.

jquestb16_ESO2 wrote: »

It's not that they want to make inventory fun or realistic. The reason for limiting banks and bags is server space. Each character is stored on a server, the more items the bigger the file size of your toon becomes. It's like asking icloud why can't we have unlimited space for free?

Cause it costs $$$ think how big that database would be if everyone had unlimited bag space.

Now this is far more believable, than some unsubstantiated vision of a devs dream being peddled. I am inclined to think unless some real citation is presented, it is internet rumour.

Ignoring the fact, that ZOS raked in all that preorder sales and box revenue, and not investing in better hardware for maybe very good reasons or not (no idea so will not speculate). Would it then not make better sense to make a few alterations to the way mats work? So we need less types of them? do like we said with trophies and pets so they take up no space, seeing as they make enough difference, yet not so much server strain? And again, what about increasing stack capacity? How would that impact it?

I think the inventory management is OK, but it could use a few tweaks. As others have said, a nice solution would be to allow trophies, costumes, and maps to go to the Quest inventory section. I don't feel like that is asking too much.

Chrysolis wrote: »

I don't really understand if, or how the current system was designed to work. The shared bank is nice for transferring between alts, but the irony is that I can't afford to have any alts because all other 7 of my character slots are mules. I only keep relevant-level materials (and sell the lower ones) and I have about every add-on dedicated to inventory management. Something really needs to be done about this; though I do like my main character, I don't even currently feel like I have the option to make an alt.

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Guild banks are not a solution for personal inventory - they are a workaround for a select few that don't mind dedicating an entire guild slot just to this. Few people are willing to simply give you one of their guild slots so you can have a bank. If you share, there are huge risks involved. Regardless of that, it should not be required.

Let me first say that I do spend a great deal of time managing inventory, deconstructing, crafting and other such activities in towns. I actually enjoy the time it takes - for the most part - but I agree it can be improved. My suggestions for improvement can be found here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/104288/seperating-bags-for-improved-gameplay.

Having said that, I don't have any issue with space, and I'm not even close to maxed out - and I'm leveling 4 crafting skills at the same time.

I disagree with you that a guild bank is not a viable solution. You have 5 guild slots. Using one of them for a fun, helpful guild collective is not a burden. The 60+ member guild that I am in has a guild bank that we all agree to share our common crafting and provisioning items on: trait gems, weapon/armour enhancement gems, and common provisioning items. We also use our guild store to provide cheap decon and other such items to our fellow guild members. We cooperate, and we all gain by it.

So having a guild bank with all the common stuff clears out a fair amount of room. I keep unfinished stacks of raw mats in my personal inventory. So raw wood, cloth, leather, ore and alchemy regents. I also keep the unfinished stacks of rarer provisioning items in my bag. Full stacks get moved to my bank, along with tannins and the rarer provisioning mats I am hording.

When everything in my inventory is organized, I am usually heading out questing with 40 to 50 slots half filled with partial stacks and pots and what not, and that leaves between 40 and 50 open for anything new I pick up along the way. Every 6 weapons/amour I collect, I use bounce mail to remove from my bag and send to my inbox. Anything I am hording long term - future research items or weapons/armour I plan to equip at a later level I simply leave in returned mail till I need it.

Generally, I'm able to quest/grind uninterrupted for 2 to 3 hours before I have to go spend an hour cleaning my inventory, deconstructing and doing my guild officer duty of cleaning up the guild bank (FWIW, I'd love to have the stacking tool/splitting tool available in the bank - at least for guild officers).

TL:DR - While I agree that there should be some changes to improve the current bag system, I have no problem making the current system work.

This is on the very same page you're posting on, Sendarya.

Chrysolis wrote: »

I've mentioned this before, but even if a character was limited to 1 craft at a time we're only talking about 5 necessary characters in concordance with the 5 crafts. The space utilized is more than that. Unless you're saying that one person's account should only support a limited number of crafts, which I simply don't and will not agree with.

To answer your question, yes I think it is completely reasonable that one character should be able to handle 1 craft, maybe even 2.