I do a bow/DW build and if I'm soloing I HAVE to use the bow and use draining shot to knock the enemies back to separate them and stun them (on groups of 3 or more). I die occasionally but typically it's because a skill doesn't work properly. And that's the issue. When you're a NB, you're counting on your stealth working, your crits working, your stuns working. And there are so many enemy archers or mages that stay against a wall...draining shot will not stun an enemy on a wall cuz it can't be knocked back...ok so don't show the knock back animation but still stun it. Don't just say "invalid location" and do nothing. Or maybe make the enemy move! Otherwise you die so quick with no good AoE or heals. That's been my experience and I'm VR4 and be playing since final beta test. I've dealt with these problems for so long and watched DKs and Sorcs just own entire dungeon mobs. I should go back to wearing heavy armor...not very NB like and takes away from the experience I think. Which to me I think the medium armor is junk. But it's probably due to how I play. Heavy armor gives awesome health and recovery/take more healing bonuses. light gives awesome magicka reduction and recovery bonuses. Medium helps stamina...which I put a ton of points into stamina since it says "weapon damage based on max stamina". But I find myself never using stamina except to use draining shot on my bow or some duel wield attacks. All the NB skills use mana. The most essential (shadowy disguise) uses mana! Why didn't they make these use stamina??? You are by design going to put a bunch of attribute points into stamina cuz you're DPS and it's pretty much worthless in my opinion. So you expect me to wander around in a broken class with animations that get stuck and effects that occasionally work in LIGHT armor to regain enough magicka to use skills? No thanks. I'm sure there are better NB builds than others obviously. But I like my build and I've had to tweak it to survive in VR content. It just takes longer than DKs or Sorcs or Templars cuz after I sneak kill the first, I have to separate and methodically kill the others one at a time. It gets old. Maybe Zenimax thought since we like to sneak we would just avoid EVERY SINGLE ENEMY.

vicNBitis wrote: »

And this thread(posted on 5/16):

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/98003/1h-s-abilities-from-stealth-comparison-to-nb-dw-bow#latest

For the clicking-impaired just a comparison of NB attacks from stealth:

2hand heavy attack= 1833
(NB)Concealed Weapon= 1609
(1h/s)Deep Slash = 1578
(1h/s) heavy attack = 1485
(1h/s)Bash = 1244(deadly bash passive)
(NB)Ambush= 1209

So I guess we can all stop qualifying our posts with "yes, we have a great opening attack..." because apparently we don't.

lol 2hand rly does that much? well atleast concealed weapon is instant and have nice passives otherwise i wouldnt use it anymore

It would be nice if Drain Power also increased Spell damage, since you know, all of our class skills are spell damage...

Hedonist_Jester wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

..............TLNGPA..................

Read above for the long version (Yea right)

If you wish to quote me, please do so in context. I wasn't bringing forward a complaint of a bug, and the post even went so far as to say that the nightblade stamina build was indeed viable. What you have done however, is broadstroke bashing of the entire population of this thread in order to stroke your own ego by touting what you "think" are skills as a l33t player. (Never said I was 1337 in fact i know my limits, and openly admit my faults)

I watched your video that you should've saved your time in making. It was not informational (didn't go into details about the build, loadout, or rotation), didn't address the concerns of the original poster, and even fell short if your goal was purely entertainment. I've read your posts where you quite correctly state that you're not a very good player of the nightblade class, and yet again you should've saved your time. They were not informational, didn't address the concerns of the original poster, and even fell short if your goal was purely entertainment.

Okay, really? ...... ~TLNotGonnaPostAgain~

Read above for the long version (Yea right)

After sleeping on it, I decided maybe i am wrong. If you wan't (Anyone) to chat with a NB about class info, game mechanics, bug work around's, theory, and want to talk to a "Horrible NB" that can solo any realistic content. Add @zxaxz in game/forums, US server. With a note asking for access to RC Chat. I will give you a code to join my RazerComm's chat (this elevates security and spam issues) and we can have a discussion; If you come to flame, troll or w/e it's a one button IP ban for me to remove you.

*Notice* if you join the chat, while I am streaming you maybe recorded.

P.S. If you're not interested in the Chat, than there really is no reason to flame on this subject anymore, either side. I have posted my stream, and I am done with it. Show me that it is harder than I showed you, and we can talk more about this thread.

PS; If you message me on the forums, I should respond the same or next day.

Do those numbers take critical chances into account?

TheAmu wrote: »

Beretic wrote: »

But hey, if you were a DK you could of solo'd the whole thing. and then some dungeons solo after that.

I don't even need to think or strategise.

Or learn how to spell strategize =P

hemorrhage last passive skill of assassination trait doesn t work, doesn t give 10% critical damake strike

I would love to see a synergy on the path of darkness, aspect of fear, and/or drain power, like movement speed buff, additional fear duration and DoT dmg, and increased weapon power, in that order.

JacobJ wrote: »

Honestly NB's are relatively balanced, and don't need to be buffed as much as their class skills need to be fixed. I don't want NB to be buffed in some way and become the FoTV class that gets nerfed into the ground later. As a V10 NB I feel that we as a class can be great, and can do fine in solo play whether it's PvP or questing in Veteran areas. The problem lies in that Nightblades do not have the group utility that the other classes do. We don't have a single normal non-ultimate ability that has a Synergy (even our ult synergies aren't very good). Whereas DK's have Talons, other group buffs such as Molten Weapons and Obsidian Shield. Sorc's have Lightning Splash. Templars have Spear Shards and Cleansing Ritual. Not to mention all of the other class' ultimate synergies are pretty great and very useful. You'd figure that NB would be full of utility abilities it being the rogue, jack-of-all-trades type class, but we don't have any cool or useful synergies like anyone else. I mean come on, it doesn't even have to be something major, but we need something! One of the things that drew me personally to the game was the idea of Synergy abilities, and to not have a single ability I can use that another person in my group can activate to do something, ANYTHING, is really sad.

All that being said I will continue playing Nightblade in hopes we might actually be of use to a group some day other than to click on everyone else's synergies or summon a shade to reduce mob damage. /endrant

Bolstering ultimate has synergies.

My DW abiitys hit for 72 , stamina build, probably its buggy ? 5x70 => 350, thats pretty crap. Also our supposed finisher, does like 160, 300% on low health mobs, i have the feeling that there is no actual scaling done with our skills, i.e. they dont increase with max magica /stamina.

I dont want to wait another month, till you fixed this crap, hitting for 72 ! Even my standard attack with my two epic VR5 daggers does more damage.

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

I don't want to play a vampire, and that shouldn't make me less powerful.

I don't want to run around using a resto staff or a 2 handed weapon (as a rogue? really?) and that shouldn't make me less powerful.

I don't want to be an assassin clunking about apparently in "stealth" in heavy armor, and that shouldn't make me less powerful.

Yep ... nicely put; its sort of pointless to even have a nightblade class.

Fixing the class? Seriously? Why you nerfed the only opener that could actually do some damage in the last patch then? Nightblades have the worst AoE capabilties except if you like to run around as a warlock... but veteran play is all about groups. If you can't kill a single target faster then anyone else... what is the sense to play a Nightblade at the first place? In the end a DK is the answer to everything

Seriously... did someone at ZOS actually play the classes through all levels as a normal player would do? And did they do some actual comparision like the one here in the post? I don't think so...

And when will you finaly learn that experiences from other games... like differing between AvA and PvE... is more or less obligation to not ruin one or the other?

I never felt such a pain in a game that playing what I like is what I shouldn't.

Why do VR8 skeevers exist at all?

Well that's disappointing, considering my main is a medium armor DW Nightblade. *sigh* How is this not hotfix worthy? I can only turn out ALT's for so long Zeni pleeease.