Nightblade Update

Zxaxz · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

You want to make a really good improvement to NB? We should have a passive that let's us run in stealth LIKE VAMPIRES DO! That would be a step in the right direction...

You literally gave vampires an ability that should be reserved for Nightblades. What a joke...

And, YOU are not a Vamp NB? (Something is wrong here) Then you could run in stealth, like a Vamp too

You solved your own problem, damn you are good.

Worstluck · May 2014

It's pretty bad. I respecced last night to a more dps build and am now using Shadowy Disguise again and it's so bugged. Some NPC's (regular, boss, doesn't matter) see right through it once you are in combat, constantly breaking randomly, etc. Worst of all I don't seem to be getting the 100% crit anymore when using Concealed Weapon, seems random when I do get it. Also, Concealed Weapon still not increasing movement speed consistently.

Tosalius · May 2014

What about the completely broken Ultimate Abilities? My regular attacks (I'm talking no skills, just clicking mouse button) do more damage than my Ultimates...even when I use my Ultimates while stealthed.

Your QA sucks.

I'll play Alts until my 2nd month subscription runs out. If these issues are resolved, I'm gone. Maybe I'll come back if I hear the NightBlades are fixed (if/when they are) but this is crazy how broken this class is.

Zxaxz · May 2014

ROFL, 4 uninterrupted hours of stream tonight and the only bug I have is ESC keeps unbinding in the systems file. I typed every bug out live, as they happened. Other than lag slowing my abilities firing the above was the only issue in 4 hours of Live playing......

Solo V7 NB DW/Bow/Vamp - Soloing PvP dungeons, 4 and 5 set mobs and the bosses. And Solo killing a V10 DK live, several mage's, and so many more kills, I did not even try to count.........Of course I got my arse handed to me a few times also, but wtf I am supposed to die fighting a Dungeon boss and 4 mobs. .. and in OW-PvP... Especially when I *** up :P

I guess you got a broke NB =./ Sorry to hear it.

Best Part, you all cry so much about the NB they will buff it, nerf the mobs to death and REAL NB's (not me =./) will be GODS....All whom learned to adapt to the new level of difficulty will now solo, Multiple Mob OW-Bosses. Maybe even start 1-2 man'n Dolmens, And Video's like the NB solo'n the sewer's (Youtube) will be common place. GG

NakedSnake · May 2014

build or it didn't happen

OkieDokie · May 2014

Aoifesan wrote: »

vicNBitis wrote: »

Aoifesan wrote: »

One of the Nightblade notes slipped through the cracks--our apologies! We've added it to the notes above, but you can also read it here:
Sap Essence (Drain Power morph): The healing this ability now does correctly increases by 20% for each target hit.
Post edited by

on May 22

I must be REALLY bad at math as I am seeing this ability crit for 300 damage on 3 Mobs and it's healing for 78. Last I checked 20% of 300 is 60 and x3 for the mob number it hit is 180. Que paso?

I think the maths work something like this for 3 targets hit:

x + 0.2x + 0.2x = 78
1.4x = 78
x = 56

So basically the heal portion of Sap healed for 56 and then had 11 added for each of the two additional targets. For a grand total of...I'm sorry. I was laughing the whole time I typed that. Those numbers are pathetic. Please tell me you are level 40.

Nope at VR 2 at the moment.

I was getting 144-237 damage and 165-184 sap will yesterday with 4-6 vr3 enemies. Getting the 10% heal bonus from slotting swallow soul also helps.

I'm not sure if it was supposed to be better than that, but it is an amazing skill.

fiachsidhe · May 2014

Zxaxz wrote: »

ROFL, 4 uninterrupted hours of stream tonight and the only bug I have is ESC keeps unbinding in the systems file. I typed every bug out live, as they happened. Other than lag slowing my abilities firing the above was the only issue in 4 hours of Live playing......

Solo V7 NB DW/Bow/Vamp - Soloing PvP dungeons, 4 and 5 set mobs and the bosses. And Solo killing a V10 DK live, several mage's, and so many more kills, I did not even try to count.........Of course I got my arse handed to me a few times also, but wtf I am supposed to die fighting a Dungeon boss and 4 mobs. .. and in OW-PvP... Especially when I *** up :P

I guess you got a broke NB =./ Sorry to hear it.

Best Part, you all cry so much about the NB they will buff it, nerf the mobs to death and REAL NB's (not me =./) will be GODS....All whom learned to adapt to the new level of difficulty will now solo, Multiple Mob OW-Bosses. Maybe even start 1-2 man'n Dolmens, And Video's like the NB solo'n the sewer's (Youtube) will be common place. GG

Careful not to sprain anything patting yourself on the back like that.

Eivar · May 2014

Zxaxz wrote: »

ROFL, 4 uninterrupted hours of stream tonight and the only bug I have is ESC keeps unbinding in the systems file. I typed every bug out live, as they happened. Other than lag slowing my abilities firing the above was the only issue in 4 hours of Live playing......

Solo V7 NB DW/Bow/Vamp - Soloing PvP dungeons, 4 and 5 set mobs and the bosses. And Solo killing a V10 DK live, several mage's, and so many more kills, I did not even try to count.........Of course I got my arse handed to me a few times also, but wtf I am supposed to die fighting a Dungeon boss and 4 mobs. .. and in OW-PvP... Especially when I *** up :P

I guess you got a broke NB =./ Sorry to hear it.

Best Part, you all cry so much about the NB they will buff it, nerf the mobs to death and REAL NB's (not me =./) will be GODS....All whom learned to adapt to the new level of difficulty will now solo, Multiple Mob OW-Bosses. Maybe even start 1-2 man'n Dolmens, And Video's like the NB solo'n the sewer's (Youtube) will be common place. GG

aka: Look at me i'm taking advantage of an exploit with invis, they surely won't nerf this like they did vampires or dk bash spammers, i'll be invincible forever!......lol your future tears of anguish will sustain me for many nights.

makkon · May 2014

relax guys. even before they completed a hotfix that reverted the difficulty of mobs, after 1.1.4 patch nb is more easy.
- power extraction/sap essence can crit now
- it still works with shield
- siphoning strikes is good
I also have some video to prove it (veteran rank 7 zone), low crit chance, low gear and I still able to solo big pack of not ranged mobs (while all other there get huge problems even with 3). more mobs - more profit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFYBU_MRNag
so we need just to wait some more fixes on other useless spells and here we go.
I love tears of some basher DKs who completely cant kill mobs yday

actually I can do it before patch with abit more time (around 500-600 dps due no crits). until veil of blades work as atm and nb can gain ultimate - all be good with this class. if they nerf veil of blades - this class will die in all terms, especially in pve

Zxaxz · May 2014

NakedSnake wrote: »

build or it didn't happen

http://www.twitch.tv/iamepitaph/b/531499503

http://www.twitch.tv/iamepitaph/b/531555714

And I will be streaming our broke NB class WTFPWN'n everything most of the day tomorrow.

Zxaxz · May 2014

Eivar wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

ROFL, 4 uninterrupted hours of stream tonight and the only bug I have is ESC keeps unbinding in the systems file. I typed every bug out live, as they happened. Other than lag slowing my abilities firing the above was the only issue in 4 hours of Live playing......

Solo V7 NB DW/Bow/Vamp - Soloing PvP dungeons, 4 and 5 set mobs and the bosses. And Solo killing a V10 DK live, several mage's, and so many more kills, I did not even try to count.........Of course I got my arse handed to me a few times also, but wtf I am supposed to die fighting a Dungeon boss and 4 mobs. .. and in OW-PvP... Especially when I *** up :P

I guess you got a broke NB =./ Sorry to hear it.

Best Part, you all cry so much about the NB they will buff it, nerf the mobs to death and REAL NB's (not me =./) will be GODS....All whom learned to adapt to the new level of difficulty will now solo, Multiple Mob OW-Bosses. Maybe even start 1-2 man'n Dolmens, And Video's like the NB solo'n the sewer's (Youtube) will be common place. GG

aka: Look at me i'm taking advantage of an exploit with invis, they surely won't nerf this like they did vampires or dk bash spammers, i'll be invincible forever!......lol your future tears of anguish will sustain me for many nights.

LOL, so now shadowy disguise is an exploit, that's your argument on how I can solo mobs and you suck arse on your NB? (really, 1st person I EVER heard claim stealth (Shadow was a game PvE) exploit, but if you say so.
Guess on your NB you just, stand up, and rush in swinging your arms in the air, can I sneak attack according to your exploit list? Oh wait, nope I have exploit Shadowy Disguise to do that?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming] So now it's flaming to call these idiots LIARS on the forums, Nice....Thanks for the edit....

And I wont cry over any changes, I will adapt, see what else they changed and buffed and use that if it makes sense, (And you don't)?

Zxaxz · May 2014

opps dbl post

Anzer · May 2014

I haven't tested this yet, because frankly I don't care enough about this game anymore to even click through the 4 splash screens, but; I've read a couple threads stating that going invisible 3 or more times during a fight will reset the mobs after the latest patch. Is this true? If so, how does Zenimax expect NB tanks to keep the armor buff applied from the Shadow Barrier passive? Considering the other 3 classes have an armor buff they can keep applied throughout the course of a fight.

Or is this just a case of, "Hey, sorry you picked Nightblade. Would you like to try your luck with a Dragonknight or Sorceror?"

indytims_ESO · May 2014

I am going to be conservative and bet that these fixes will find us in about 4-5 months.

Sad. I still enjoy my NB - mainly because I -always- have a partner in everything I do.

Anzer · May 2014

indytims_ESO wrote: »

I am going to be conservative and bet that these fixes will find us in about 4-5 months.

Sad. I still enjoy my NB - mainly because I -always- have a partner in everything I do.

I do also. The only negative point is, my partner is also a NB. By our powers combined, we are!...almost as powerful as a DK.

Seriously.
I rolled a DK up to 30 while taking a small break from my NB. I literally ragequit this game after leveling that DK. The class imbalance in this game is so one-sided, it would be the equivalent of a boxing match between Gandhi and Ali.

vicNBitis · May 2014

Anzer wrote: »

I rolled a DK up to 30 while taking a small break from my NB. I literally ragequit this game after leveling that DK. The class imbalance in this game is so one-sided, it would be the equivalent of a boxing match between Gandhi and Ali.

This is what I've been saying and trying to get DK defenders to understand. Having a class so overpowered is a cancer. It's like a giant, flashing neon sign saying "Zenimax doesn't care!" Having a class like that while NBs are the way they are is just a kick in the sack while you're distracted by the giant, flashing neon sign.

Evergreen · May 2014

Worstluck wrote: »

It's pretty bad. I respecced last night to a more dps build and am now using Shadowy Disguise again and it's so bugged. Some NPC's (regular, boss, doesn't matter) see right through it once you are in combat, constantly breaking randomly, etc. Worst of all I don't seem to be getting the 100% crit anymore when using Concealed Weapon, seems random when I do get it. Also, Concealed Weapon still not increasing movement speed consistently.

I'm in Vet Rank 7 content now and confirm Shadowy Disguise has given me the exact same issues you're talking about. Vanish is just breaking far too often for no reason. There is a glitch with Refreshing Path for example where if the enemy is taking damage on the path you will be broken out of vanish. Healing on the path is fine while using vanish but if the enemy steps on the path wherever you are using vanish you will be glitched out of it.

Goblynlord · May 2014

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Incoming Fixes & Improvements
Below is an early look at some of the incoming fixes and improvements you will see in content patch 1.2.X.

Disappointing. Reading that I think that it will be at least a month or two. I'm glad you're honest about this, but the news seems bad. When Craglorn was coming up I defended you guys bundling all the bug fixes with the content update. 1.1 was coming in a couple weeks, it made sense. I can't understand you continuing to use that format though. We have no eta on 1.2, and expecting players to wait an unknown amount of time for basic fixes seems silly. I don't mean to be harsh, just trying to return your honesty with my own.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Siphoning Attacks: This ability’s tooltip will no longer says that it restores health. It never restored health, nor was it intended to. This is a tooltip bug. We have a fix for this, and it will go out with a future patch.

Always heard it was the other morph (Leeching Strike) that was broke. Supposedly it only heals for 2.4% health instead of 4%. I understand its not a full list of fixes, but it seems odd the tooltip bug of the opposite morph was mentioned but not that.

The rest is looking good. (Besides the timeframe of course.) Hope you work in some more fixes too. But its nice to see you all talking to us.

F7sus4 · May 2014

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Sure, but stealth is the one thing Nightblades have going for us. For there to be an ability available to everyone that completely negates our one strength is pretty ridiculous.

I don't know of an ability that I can use to completely negate a sorc's AoE damage output or DK's survivability, if one exists perhaps you could enlighten me?

You have already answered yourself. The problem is not to create another ability that would counter Mage Light exclusively that was meant to counter stealth. First, this is not going to happen. Second, it would be way too situational and hit your skill-bar rarely.

The problem is Mage Light only. It should just bump their Spell Critical and lower max. Magicka, sure, but that's all - no stealth countering.

F7sus4 · May 2014

I'm sick tired of people claiming: "I'm level 30 NB and it's OK". Sure, it is OK. Your head will shatter against a brick-wall when you reach VR levels, especially VR5+ content. Then you'd say: "Yeah, darn, that guy at the forums was right". But that's too late. You're already a hours/days of gameplay wasted. If that's OK for you, then go for it.

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

my DPS was way up last night from before. (...) I was killing things -faster- than I expected to and it was forcing me to think on my feet a little more.

Was your damage doubled? If not, you couldn't have "killed things faster", since VR mobs have their HP doubled, and particularly VR9-10. You could barely touch them before falling on the grown to pray for respawn.

Doomraven · May 2014

This one sees much QQ

Zxaxz · May 2014

Hours of un-cut NB soloing All PvP, and solo'n PvE and Public Dungeons all mobs, including bosses. I will be steaming all day tomorrow also, show me. Pick the times on my Video's (Other that the 2 or 3 times, I saw anything bug out. Lag, made some skills unresponsive at times. But, bugs. Well Show them to us...........

V8 - NightBlade - Duel Wield / Bow / Vamp - V8 Content PvE solo & PvP.

I just turned V8 last night. Every mob I kill in PvE, Dungeons, Bosses will be 1st attempts with no knowledge of their skills/moves. I have never stepped foot in the V8 zone, until I start stream in the morning.

I will be live (10 min delay) most of the day tomorrow as well as the recorded video's in the site - All of which are made SINCE the patch 1.1.2 (By the way, a good NB will make me look like crap. I am a middle of the road player; I guess.)

Make your own video of your inability to solo VR content, I will solo the content. And we can compare?

LOL, that really made me think, where are your videos of how hard it is to solo in ESO? These videos of all our skills not working? All these videos of 2-3 mobs WTFPWN'n you all of a sudden? All the streamers showing us live?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Bashing & Slanderous Comments]

Phantorang · May 2014

Huggernaut wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

I was letting my monthly sub run, hardly playing since my class is so broken. Waiting specifically for these patch notes and the day I'd actually be able to play my class on somewhat equal footing as the rest of the game.

Honestly what I see does NOT make me want to resub at all. Quite the opposite.

Ive been hanging on to "my class" in other MMOs for a fix many times before, only to regret I didnt make a new character ASAP, in a class that is OP (there are always OP classes in MMOs), in this case the DK.

Phantorang · May 2014

Vilkastigras wrote: »

I Hate the new changes. I am a nightblade, my armor has decreased by at least 30%, I am one hand shield, I like to be in combat that puts me at a huge disadvantage comparatively to the rest of your "fixes". You also made the mobs stronger than they were, while decreasing armor. How the hell does that work in our favor?
You are going to lose a lot of people due to your "fixes" on a lot of things in this game. From what I see in Zone's chat and what is said in my guild. Noone wants to stay anymore. I am regretting getting that subscription so deeply now. You are not Elderscrolls worthy anymore, you are just another MMO, like the others, favoring one class over another.

Not sure what zone and what guilds you hang around in, but I havent heard that noone wants to stay anymore in any of the guilds im in or zone chats.

Your NB concerns are valid, I agree, but to make this about everyone else wanting to leave is overly dramatic.

SilentThunder · May 2014

Pure bow NB I do all my pvp and pve with bow only. I cant really handle more than 3 mobs but within that I do quite well, especially VS melee mobs. I just hit VR10 and in the last 2-3 vet zones I have had no real issues. Shure multiple mobs (especially ranged) are difficult and boss type casters are very hard for me as none of my CC seems to actually work VS caster mobs. Melee is cake I can and have soloed ever solo melee type WB in the v7-9 zones. PvP is situational If I get the jump on most anyone I usually win with the glaring exception of DKs. I rarely beat a DK that's over VR3 and then only because there new to PvP and aren't very good. I still think NB needs improvement IMOP Bow seems a bit on the weak side compared to other pure DPS types and our AOE is a major weak spot. Over all I still really like the NB class and I'm looking forward to when were all fixed.

Zubba · May 2014

I was dissapointed reading the patch notes. However after playing and knowing whats coming, I am fine. My nightblade main character is way stronger now, but not without problems.

You guys need to take a step back and take a deep breath. I have never ever seen such a crying hysteric crowd in my whole life.

Lodestar · May 2014

Viblo wrote: »

Lodestar wrote: »

More evidence we are paying for a beta game. I vowed I would never do this again

Some people should never ever play an MMO. Case and point.

Some people should never ever post on forums. Case in point.

Zubba wrote: »

I was dissapointed reading the patch notes. However after playing and knowing whats coming, I am fine. My nightblade main character is way stronger now, but not without problems.

You guys need to take a step back and take a deep breath. I have never ever seen such a crying hysteric crowd in my whole life.

Says the one shouting dramatically in bold.

I can only reiterate, I am not so fussed over the affair itself, as I am that it indicates I bought an unfinished game for quite a bit of money.

mayhemmike83 · May 2014

Im just curious why there had to be such a calling out for nerfing on things like shield bashing and motif drops instead of pushing on fixing a broken class

F7sus4 · May 2014

You must be right. There is no other class with so many complaints. So it must be players fault, not the class. It's just Nightblade players that are so problematic. Just because.

Brilliant! (*)

zhevon · May 2014

mayhemmike83 wrote: »

Im just curious why there had to be such a calling out for nerfing on things like shield bashing and motif drops instead of pushing on fixing a broken class

NBs are getting some outcry; but there probably a lot folks who were exploiting the shield bash mechanics and now have to learn the next exploit and there kind of stuck because they were one-skill wonders.

motif nerfing complaints are especially annoying because its cosmetic.

There are probably lots of people like me who are just tired of being NB and want to move on because respecing is just wasting money until skill trees are a bit more stable. I have done my share complaining; but my complaints are a vague because I am not sure why my NB seems much more broken than it was before the patch.