Cons: At the moment Pack Leader ( Morph of werewolf transformation. ) Is bugged 6 ways to sunday. It will randomly reset you in the middle of transformation back to human form with no werewolf world skill line exp after. Only way to fix is cancelling the transformation early by hitting R again. Its compeltely random too.

This is probably the most thorough Vampire tutorial:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/64065/lycanthropy-and-vampirism-in-progress-update-2-4-2-14#latest

The consensus seems to be, there is no net benefit in PvE and it is actually a liability in PvP. You will become vulnerable to very common damage types in the game. The only real reason to become one is RP purposes.

Which is really how it should be. They are curses after all.

Pros of being a Werewolf:
1) Transformation is cool
2) Quest line was fun due to being involved with Hircine.
3) The Ability pounce is fun to use and you do run extremely fast

Cons of Being a Werewolf
1) Ultimate cost way to high. 900+ ultimate for around 30 seconds of WW time without buffs
2) Unable to break out of any form of cc as a WW in WW form. Like being able to hold block then click to use stamina to break out of cc? well good luck doing that as a WW
3) Due to number 2, WW is a liability in PVE and PVP and will get you killed
4) No way to heal outside of using potions which makes no sense that you can even us potions...
5) Pounce is bugged. Use it then move to close and you will get stuck in the crouching position unable to attack untill your WW form Ends
6) 50% increased Poison Damage and Vulnerable to Fighter Guild abilites.
7) Ultimate Transformation Pact Leader buged
8 ) Damage loss due to losing high damage class/weapon skills. Minor heavy attack and light attack damage bonus does not make up for this.

Pros: you think it is cool and find it fun.

Cons: everything else. AKA, death in PvP.

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Vampire and Werewolf are great for single and small encounters.

But once you start to get into group/aoe encounters... you end up going down hard.

Now... you can tactically plan for that if you have a good group... your werewolves and vampires stay back from the fight and locate targets that seem to be out of the fray and hammering people with AoE Fire/Fighters Guild abilities.

Those people tend to stand out, and can be taken down fairly quickly. Once those guys are down, you can jump in and hammer what remains of the mob.

... I've only seen this work a few times, though. Most massive encounters that werewolves and vampires get destroyed in tend to be too uncontrollable and unplanned.

But I have seen vampires and werewolves hold out against 5 people who were not using Fire/Fighters Guild abilities.

It is a tradeoff that seems to go from AWESOME to FAIL and back again. The people that make it work swear by it.

Werewolves are terrible for PVP altogether. You can be stun locked forever even without Fighter guild abilities. If it ever works its because the WW is fighting someone completely oblivious to how pvp works.

No Experience with Vamps but WW do not excel in any area of the game.

SirAndy wrote: »

Cons? Two words: Silver Bolts

I figured that would be a problem for those in PvP. I was interested in becoming vampire for awhile, but now I'm starting to think the cool thing to do would be to skip it completely. I have enough skills to spend points in, anyway... don't need more of them.

Madae wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Cons? Two words: Silver Bolts

I figured that would be a problem for those in PvP. I was interested in becoming vampire for awhile, but now I'm starting to think the cool thing to do would be to skip it completely. I have enough skills to spend points in, anyway... don't need more of them.

If you find it fun, then there is nothing wrong with doing it just for the fun/cool factor. Just be aware of the mechanic downside going in. Because ya know, it's a curse.

mcatchlovb16_ESO wrote: »

SadisticSavior wrote: »

The consensus seems to be, there is no net benefit in PvE

This is completely false. I can only speak as a Vampire but it is super powerful in PVE. I virtually can not die to a NPC.

wish it was the same for WW

Vamp is great for PvE against humanoids. You can regain all your health and freeze a mob with the click of a button. Stay out of fire though.

My son is a Vamp. He has made his armor and jewelry to offset his weakness. He is virtually unbeatable; in any sense so far. His Ultimate wipes everything out. Plus he is a Templar so he has awesome heals. He is also a level 49 so that helps too.

Hopefully they add some more lore-friendly "cons" when the justice system is implemented. I liked how, in Morrowind, if you entered a town in Werewolf form the guards would attack you. Or if you did anything vampiric in their immediate vicinity the guards would, again, chase you out of town.

Right now it's just like, hey, new cool abilities; without any of the downsides (except in PVP).

I was level 10 vampire and didn't really find it that useful for endgame. I cured it after the patch last night since I wanted to see the changes. I suggest that anyone leveling try it out. It will give you great insight on how to kill other vamps if anything. High spell resist with a fire resist ring made the fire weakness more of just of an annoyance rather than a death wish.

• 10% regen stats are okay, but it’s so easy to overcharge those anyway it doesn't provide much.
• The "50%" damage reduction isn't that great. I tested a mud crab hitting me for 100 at full health, when I was down to 300 hp it was hitting me for 83. So if it’s capped some place with armor you don’t get the full benefit from the passive
• My health regen was 16 at stage 4 with the regen traits which is still 1/2 non-vampire.
• The only passive I think that is worth it is level 10 stalker. It’s extremely fast at sneaking. However, cloak + concealed weapon on Nightblade is just as fast and if you're not in combat the magicka regen is really good to keep it going for 20-30 seconds (caster NB)
• As for the vampire abilities, the poison mist is really bad. It was doing 100 poison damage every 1.5 seconds so there goes the viability of any decent aoe damage. Elusive mist is good for getting away so if you need the escape I recommend as long as you don’t get bashed out of it.
• Drain is really good pve for leveling, except its useless on anything with cc immunity. In pvp it’s usually broken out of and I found it to be lackluster. I don’t think it can be used on someone blocking if I recall since they are immune to CC while blocking
• The ultimate is really good but I still don’t think the ultimate + stalker passive is worth the 50% fire weakness and the fighter’s guild skills. I didn’t normally run into to many silver leash users, but if you were to kill someone repeatedly and they get to know you, you’ll start seeing fighter’s guild skills coming out.

Here is my stats post cure. 7/7 light armor NB w/Health-Magicka food. http://imgur.com/kQCBLnX

They should really fix poison mist. It has the potential to be a great skill.