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DK Bash nerf for PVE is unacceptable
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lasma799✭I pretty much use the same set-up as Thomas on my templar with Sword and board and can accomplish most things (except those damn gargoyles and sometimes trolls). Sun shield is probably one of the worst skills in game, I know of no one who uses it in VR content. You don't regen magicka while using it, which makes it terrible in a game where magicka reigns supreme.
Volcanic rune is your friend. With the changes, it is almost imperative you use it twice when facing 2 or more monsters.1 -
MrBeatDown✭✭✭✭thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »Duel against it? No, I don't PvP atm because of severe imbalance and client side trust. I couldn't care less if you bashed to VR12, what bothers me is the "titty baby"(your words) attitude yourself and others like you show when an obviously broken ability was fixed.
Your just going to keep running your mouth in this thread and no one else wants to hear it. You obviously got your but whooped bad by someone Abuseing the exploit with your horrible client side internet. Not my problem.
This build didn't have to suffer because of people like you. It wasnt OP. I never once seen someone bash a 50 person zerg group in cyrodil like it was ez and take a keep or a scroll Even with the exploit. Get good guy. Everyone that reads this thread knows you suck in pvp. So go back to PvE and stay out this thread.Edited by MrBeatDown on May 24, 2014 1:38PM0 -
Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭MrBeatDown wrote: »thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »
If you can't see that basing your entire play style around spamming 1 ability is flawed, then I don't even know what to say to you.
I don't want you to say anything to me. Because I don't care what you have to say. I enjoyed my bash build and I wasn't even using the exploit that needed to be nerfed.
Damn right I bashed my way up to v10. You God Damn right im pissed off about the nerf. Its a crock of bull that the people that were crying about it were the ones that didn't know how to duel. Whats the difference if my main attack was Bash and your for example main attack was a spell. We all have our own ways of dealing damage. Who are you to tell me how to deal damage? Your nobody. Your a titty baby crying because you didn't know how to duel against it, and when the people that were using the xploit kicked your butt, You got mad.
End of story.
And the irony of you now yourself crying on forums is hilarious.
Sorry your crutch is gone, guess you'll have to learn how to play properly now.1 -
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✭tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »@Argurios kudos to you i have no clue how you are able to kill anything with that setup guess your using blazing shield? but will try it.
If you spec points into stamina, it increases your base weapon damage. I think a lot of people don't realise this and specced into magicka with everything, and relied on bash at the same time. Now bash is nerfed, no stamina invested will result in very low weapon damage.
-Ransack does the most damage as well as my melee hits, and its great because it increases my armour and reduces theirs for little stamina cost.
-Invasion for knockdown and longer stun reduces incoming damage to me.
-Sun shield again reduces incoming damage by a lot, especially against larger groups. ( i cant remember the name but i morphed it to the one that further increases shield strength the more enemies you hit with it)
- absorb magicka, if there is even one caster in the group kill him last. He will basically be your healer for the whole fight. Just keep it up, it costs little stamina and the next incoming spell will heal you. I soloed the first boss in Veteran Banished Cells from about 90% of her health because of this ability.
- Radiant aura, increases HP regen and Stam regen, just for more survivability and damage output using ransack. I cap both HP and stam regen.
Hope this helps. Its far more fun than spamming bash too.
well it doesent change the fact that 1h/s light/heavy attacks is <50% of the dmg of every other weapon line. (in my case purple vet2 axe 1h/s with 35points stamina = 86 while blue lvl 50 destro staff with 0 magica is at 146...)
and to be honest i do not see the difference in spamming ransack or bash
but anyway my templar is ment to be a healer and for the lvling grind i switched him to destro staff 10x faster, and less risky another one who cant fill in as a tank ...
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Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
I love nerfs, it always brings out the ire of the incompetent and opportunist.1
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Drasn✭✭✭✭MrBeatDown wrote: »thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »Duel against it? No, I don't PvP atm because of severe imbalance and client side trust. I couldn't care less if you bashed to VR12, what bothers me is the "titty baby"(your words) attitude yourself and others like you show when an obviously broken ability was fixed.
Your just going to keep running your mouth in this thread and no one else wants to hear it. You obviously got your but whooped bad by someone Abuseing the exploit with your horrible client side internet. Not my problem.
This build didn't have to suffer because of people like you. It wasnt OP. I never once seen someone bash a 50 person zerg group in cyrodil like it was ez and take a keep or a scroll Even with the exploit. Get good guy. Everyone that reads this thread knows you suck in pvp. So go back to PvE and stay out this thread.
Funny, the name of the thread is "DK Bash nerf for PVE is unacceptable." Perhaps you should learn to read while you're trying to learn to play. I know learning more than 1 button is going to be hard for you, but I have faith.0 -
Argurios✭✭I pretty much use the same set-up as Thomas on my templar with Sword and board and can accomplish most things (except those damn gargoyles and sometimes trolls). Sun shield is probably one of the worst skills in game, I know of no one who uses it in VR content. You don't regen magicka while using it, which makes it terrible in a game where magicka reigns supreme.
Volcanic rune is your friend. With the changes, it is almost imperative you use it twice when facing 2 or more monsters.
Mate get your facts right and dont make wild assumptions based on your own opinion.
I tanked the first 3 vet dungeons at VR1, tanked all the others and am comfortably tanking Craglorn.
Sun shield is not one of the worst skills in the game, its just probably not good for your build. If used correctly, its brilliant. You dont regen magicka while its up, yes. If you use youyr brain and think about it though, you just cast it right before you get hit, it absorbs the damage and its gone in a second or maybe 2. Like a block that lets you carry on other actions. Its a fantastic skill.
If you bothered to read my post you would see i specced into stamina and HP. Sun shield is just a free damage shield for me as i dont need magicka. I use it only for sun shield and radiant aura for regen. My damage and tanking is done with stamina.
See like any good build, i maximise the use of both my resource pools. Its called using your own brain rather than worrying what everyone else does. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it is no good. Nice arrogant post though.
Congratulations though, you now know 1 person who does use sun shield and used it for all VR content.
Edited by Argurios on May 24, 2014 1:52PM" Experience is a hard mistress, she gives the test first, the lesson after... "
Argurios Ultor - Imperial Templar
Caradoc Coldblade - Redguard Nightblade
- Daggerfall Covenant2 -
MrBeatDown✭✭✭✭
And the irony of you now yourself crying on forums is hilarious.
Sorry your crutch is gone, guess you'll have to learn how to play properly now.
Look guys, its another one that got his butt kicked by the Exploit abusers. I bet this kid doesn't even know what the exploit was, but all of a sudden, he is the authority on bash. And doesn't even know how it functions.0 -
Argurios✭✭tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »@Argurios kudos to you i have no clue how you are able to kill anything with that setup guess your using blazing shield? but will try it.
If you spec points into stamina, it increases your base weapon damage. I think a lot of people don't realise this and specced into magicka with everything, and relied on bash at the same time. Now bash is nerfed, no stamina invested will result in very low weapon damage.
-Ransack does the most damage as well as my melee hits, and its great because it increases my armour and reduces theirs for little stamina cost.
-Invasion for knockdown and longer stun reduces incoming damage to me.
-Sun shield again reduces incoming damage by a lot, especially against larger groups. ( i cant remember the name but i morphed it to the one that further increases shield strength the more enemies you hit with it)
- absorb magicka, if there is even one caster in the group kill him last. He will basically be your healer for the whole fight. Just keep it up, it costs little stamina and the next incoming spell will heal you. I soloed the first boss in Veteran Banished Cells from about 90% of her health because of this ability.
- Radiant aura, increases HP regen and Stam regen, just for more survivability and damage output using ransack. I cap both HP and stam regen.
Hope this helps. Its far more fun than spamming bash too.
well it doesent change the fact that 1h/s light/heavy attacks is <50% of the dmg of every other weapon line. (in my case purple vet2 axe 1h/s with 35points stamina = 86 while blue lvl 50 destro staff with 0 magica is at 146...)
and to be honest i do not see the difference in spamming ransack or bash
but anyway my templar is ment to be a healer and for the lvling grind i switched him to destro staff 10x faster, and less risky another one who cant fill in as a tank ...
Well i don't know why your weapon damage sucks. My 1H weapon damage with sword and board sits at about 130. If i switch to 2H its capped. I only have 25 points in stamina too.
I dont spam ransack either, i use it combined with melee attacks.
" Experience is a hard mistress, she gives the test first, the lesson after... "
Argurios Ultor - Imperial Templar
Caradoc Coldblade - Redguard Nightblade
- Daggerfall Covenant0 -
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hmm skip pierce armore and defenive stance for elemental drain and unstable core and you will do far better^^thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »
V10 Templar Sword and BoardBar 1 Bar 2 1-Pierce Armor 1-Breath of Life 2-Volcanic Rune 2-Biting Jabs 3-Dark Flare 3-Backlash 4-Reflective Light 4-Unstoppable 5-Defensive Stance 5-Harness Magicka U-Empowering Sweep U-Soul Assault 2500+ Health 2000+Magicka 1700+Stamina 90+Magicka Regen 50+Health Regen 60+Stamina Regen 2000+Spell Resistance 1900+Armor
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Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭MrBeatDown wrote: »
And the irony of you now yourself crying on forums is hilarious.
Sorry your crutch is gone, guess you'll have to learn how to play properly now.
Look guys, its another one that got his butt kicked by the Exploit abusers. I bet this kid doesn't even know what the exploit was, but all of a sudden, he is the authority on bash. And doesn't even know how it functions.
Crutch comment hit a nerve aye?
Look it's a simple L2P issue, you'll get there.
Keep your chin up.1 -
MrBeatDown✭✭✭✭MrBeatDown wrote: »
And the irony of you now yourself crying on forums is hilarious.
Sorry your crutch is gone, guess you'll have to learn how to play properly now.
Look guys, its another one that got his butt kicked by the Exploit abusers. I bet this kid doesn't even know what the exploit was, but all of a sudden, he is the authority on bash. And doesn't even know how it functions.
Crutch comment hit a nerve aye?
Look it's a simple L2P issue, you'll get there.
Keep your chin up.
We know you don't understand the mechanics of Bash pre nerf. You can stop embarrassing yourself now. We established this a couple post up the line. You can stop posting in here now. We know you are not a reliable source for information.0 -
Drasn✭✭✭✭tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »
hmm skip pierce armore and defenive stance for elemental drain and unstable core and you will do far better^^thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »
V10 Templar Sword and BoardBar 1 Bar 2 1-Pierce Armor 1-Breath of Life 2-Volcanic Rune 2-Biting Jabs 3-Dark Flare 3-Backlash 4-Reflective Light 4-Unstoppable 5-Defensive Stance 5-Harness Magicka U-Empowering Sweep U-Soul Assault 2500+ Health 2000+Magicka 1700+Stamina 90+Magicka Regen 50+Health Regen 60+Stamina Regen 2000+Spell Resistance 1900+Armor
Not a huge fan of destro staff on the templar, I have it leveled to 50 and the skills leveled just not my thing.
Someone asked an effective templar setup anyway, was just posting what I use. Can do the craglorn packs and all the V1-V10 public delves no issue.0 -
Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭MrBeatDown wrote: »MrBeatDown wrote: »
And the irony of you now yourself crying on forums is hilarious.
Sorry your crutch is gone, guess you'll have to learn how to play properly now.
Look guys, its another one that got his butt kicked by the Exploit abusers. I bet this kid doesn't even know what the exploit was, but all of a sudden, he is the authority on bash. And doesn't even know how it functions.
Crutch comment hit a nerve aye?
Look it's a simple L2P issue, you'll get there.
Keep your chin up.
We know you don't understand the mechanics of Bash pre nerf. You can stop embarrassing yourself now. We established this a couple post up the line. You can stop posting in here now. We know you are not a reliable source for information.
I'm not the one getting owned because the devs fixed your crutch.
But, I'll leave you to your sooking. Please continue...2 -
ZOS_MichelleA✭✭✭✭✭Hello, all. Please keep the Code of Conduct in mind when discussing things.
It's okay to disagree and debate on the official ESO forums, but we do ask that everyone keeps all disagreements civil, constructive, and on-topic. If a discussion gets heated and turns into a debate, remember that you should stick to debating the post and/or thread topic. It is not appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about others in the thread, even if you strongly disagree with them.1 -
Argurios✭✭MrBeatDown wrote: »MrBeatDown wrote: »
And the irony of you now yourself crying on forums is hilarious.
Sorry your crutch is gone, guess you'll have to learn how to play properly now.
Look guys, its another one that got his butt kicked by the Exploit abusers. I bet this kid doesn't even know what the exploit was, but all of a sudden, he is the authority on bash. And doesn't even know how it functions.
Crutch comment hit a nerve aye?
Look it's a simple L2P issue, you'll get there.
Keep your chin up.
We know you don't understand the mechanics of Bash pre nerf. You can stop embarrassing yourself now. We established this a couple post up the line. You can stop posting in here now. We know you are not a reliable source for information.
What we all know is you are the one embarrassing yourself, getting verbally *** on the forums but coming back for more." Experience is a hard mistress, she gives the test first, the lesson after... "
Argurios Ultor - Imperial Templar
Caradoc Coldblade - Redguard Nightblade
- Daggerfall Covenant1 -
wllstrt75b14_ESO✭✭✭A stamina cost increase would have been a much more intelligent way to fix the skill for a number of reasons.
First, without enchantments bash was doing about the same damage as a heavy attack but costing stamin which prevents never ending usage.
Second, by increasing the cost you prevent non stam builds from over using the skill.
third, by increasing the cost you allow players to build for the skill by increasing stam pools and using enchantments creating an area of specialty.
As all classes can use the skill this is a solution that resolves all issues but yet allows players to maximize the skill via a build which is what the game is suppose to be about.
The nerf to damage was just stupid and not very well thought out as now it odes the damage of a light attack yet still using stamina making it pretty useless except for interrupts.
Edited by wllstrt75b14_ESO on May 24, 2014 2:05PM1 -
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and i never spammed bash either i´ve used it in an rotation with light/heavy attacks reflective light, puncturing strikes/pierce armor and bash as the third attack. that way i could easily juggle magica and stamina. and could keep killing mobs continiously - a nb friend could kill twice as fast but he had a downtime then wich resuslts in the same xp in a given time frame...Well i don't know why your weapon damage sucks. My 1H weapon damage with sword and board sits at about 130. If i switch to 2H its capped. I only have 25 points in stamina too.
I dont spam ransack either, i use it combined with melee attacks.
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Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
FrauPerchta✭✭✭This nerf was far to heavy handed and this is from a person that uses Bash as it was intended because I really don't get a thrill from using exploits.
As was already suggested above increase stamina cost of Bash so that even a stamina only build can get in a few Bashes per fight.
The way ESO is currently you don't even have to put points into anything but Health and to me that's just lazy game design from Devs that didn't really think things through.
I just hope the nerfs don't chase the player base away. It's far too early for base erosion to begin.0 -
Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭davidafox79_ESO wrote: »My weapon with a 1h does little to no damage so bash was the only reasonable way I could survive soloing while questing. This nerf I died after my 2nd pull.
Almost worth a sig.
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Therium104✭✭✭MrBeatDown wrote: »
And the irony of you now yourself crying on forums is hilarious.
Sorry your crutch is gone, guess you'll have to learn how to play properly now.
Look guys, its another one that got his butt kicked by the Exploit abusers. I bet this kid doesn't even know what the exploit was, but all of a sudden, he is the authority on bash. And doesn't even know how it functions.
Crutch comment hit a nerve aye?
Look it's a simple L2P issue, you'll get there.
Keep your chin up.
The only one who needs to l2p is you. Btw. Bads like you go from one ability to another a whine OP because you are horrible. So get lost. Soon the spec and abikities you use will be on the chopping block. If you do not think this is the case then you are naive.
Sword and board needs to be a viable pay style. A single target attack like bash gave it relevance. The change or nerf only served to diminish the game.0 -
Therium104✭✭✭tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »
and i never spammed bash either i´ve used it in an rotation with light/heavy attacks reflective light, puncturing strikes/pierce armor and bash as the third attack. that way i could easily juggle magica and stamina. and could keep killing mobs continiously - a nb friend could kill twice as fast but he had a downtime then wich resuslts in the same xp in a given time frame...Well i don't know why your weapon damage sucks. My 1H weapon damage with sword and board sits at about 130. If i switch to 2H its capped. I only have 25 points in stamina too.
I dont spam ransack either, i use it combined with melee attacks.
Balance. Same exp? You have NBs demanding to one shot everything out of stealth and then these same clowns complaining about shield bash which is single target and results in the same effect. One you kill the mob in a few hits and it cannot fight back (NB) or a sword and board tank doing a similar thing with Shield bash.
The nerf was ridiculous.0 -
Kypho✭✭✭✭HAHAHA Give back the already overpowered DK a bash for 1h pls. Let em do easy mode crapbashspam....
Totally killed dps of 1h LAWL omg..... If you want damage dealing dont go with 1h. bash did more damage than any other weapon or spell or whatever you call. It was not nerf, it was fix LMAO on you kids who thought that you was skilled and awesome because you did lot damage with a broken skill. LAWL!0 -
Kypho✭✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »MrBeatDown wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »
You all should not just be mad. You should be disgusted.
Disgusted doesn't even describe the anger that I now have.
Be vocal. A change this stupid (nerf to shield bash) requires an immediate fix and apology from the devs.
Be vocal! They fixed a broken skill now be vocal Maybe join the subcancelers who lost the easymode playstyle. 1h is not the damage dealing one... LAWL at you ppl.
Aplology for fixing a bug? You should apologize and get banned, because you exploited the broken ability.Edited by Kypho on May 24, 2014 2:43PM0 -
Therium104✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »MrBeatDown wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »
You all should not just be mad. You should be disgusted.
Disgusted doesn't even describe the anger that I now have.
Be vocal. A change this stupid (nerf to shield bash) requires an immediate fix and apology from the devs.
Be vocal! They fixed a broken skill now be vocal Maybe join the subcancelers who lost the easymode playstyle. 1h is not the damage dealing one... LAWL at you ppl.
With your whines I think the only one that is crying for easy mode is you. If you don't have the brains or ability you whine. Lol. Tough guy.
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Kypho✭✭✭✭davidafox79_ESO wrote: »A 1 hand weapon does HARDLY any damage. I wouldn't care about bash if I could hit a mob and see it's health move. The magic and stamina skills don't do enough damage to kill multiple mobs. I don't care about PVP. I want to be able to come home from 9.5 hours of work and enjoy playing a game. I don't have time to research all this stuff you guys talk about because I do other things than play too. I was blindsided by this update. Tanking is what I enjoy and now that has been taken from me. If I wanted to do a DPS class I would have rolled a mage or nightblade dual wield.
You dont care about pvp, I dont care about you. I care about ballance, and happy to see, they fixed a broken crapability. 1h does HARDLY any damage is a lie. I use 1h+sh and its still awesome. Well i never exploited the lolbash crap so you just experience how bad you are, when you lose your broken crap. Grat for it, and no need to rage, they fixed you.0 -
Therium104✭✭✭davidafox79_ESO wrote: »A 1 hand weapon does HARDLY any damage. I wouldn't care about bash if I could hit a mob and see it's health move. The magic and stamina skills don't do enough damage to kill multiple mobs. I don't care about PVP. I want to be able to come home from 9.5 hours of work and enjoy playing a game. I don't have time to research all this stuff you guys talk about because I do other things than play too. I was blindsided by this update. Tanking is what I enjoy and now that has been taken from me. If I wanted to do a DPS class I would have rolled a mage or nightblade dual wield.
You dont care about pvp, I dont care about you. I care about ballance, and happy to see, they fixed a broken crapability. 1h does HARDLY any damage is a lie. I use 1h+sh and its still awesome. Well i never exploited the lolbash crap so you just experience how bad you are, when you lose your broken crap. Grat for it, and no need to rage, they fixed you.
You don't care about balance. You care about easy mode and finding solutions to game difficulty by whining on the forums rather then using the tools in game to be successful. It is pathetic.
The nerf removed an entire play style from the game. It was single target and resulted in an effect that is replicated in different ways in the game. Like a NB killing mobs out of stealth. The mob cannot fight back....
There is no argument. No justification for the nerf to shield bash. It needs to be reverted immediately.2 -
Mendra✭✭Oh my, ten pages to say a fixed exploit was unacceptable... We can all dry our tears and go back to play.
They didn't nerf, they didn't screw with something, they FIXED it to work as intended.
There is nothing to argue here, it's just about people emotion.0