Veteran mobs - twice the HP and twice the damage

born2beagator · May 2014

none yet. Just wait till the EU players get this patch. Then zenimax is going to have an unholy crapstorm of unhappy customers across two megaservers

Hotsauce · May 2014

Not so fun, pull 2 mobs and instantly die.
Montclair Knight- Quick Strike 327 dmg
Montclair Knight- Lava Whip 1406 dmg
Montclair Immortal- Uppercut 938 dmg
Montclair Immortal-Quick Strike 252 dmg

I only have 2004 health =(

Not a very fair fight.
(and why don't any of my skills do that sort of damage???)

babylon · May 2014

Official response needed. Get in here and fix this crap. Earn your money ffs.

Hilgara · May 2014

Eu player here. Still patching when I left for work but every post I have read (here, Tamriel Foundry and Reddit) are all saying the same thing. Seriously, how can they f*ck up so often?
If this was intended then it's obvious that no one in ZOS plays any MMO let alone their own game and if its a bug....well....I'm speechless.

zaria · May 2014

born2beagator wrote: »

and reports say that craglorn enemies are apparently easier than lower VR enemies in the original VR ares.

This has to be a mistake

Named one dot bosses is also simpler than the mob you kill to reach them.
Probably as named bosses are not affected by this.

Someone quoted 17k health on mob and 13k on boss, previous mobs has 3k health who made sense.

born2beagator · May 2014

A bug I can forgive as long as they fix it. Now...intended...that I have a major issue with

I WILL leave this game if they do not fix this

Turhapuro · May 2014

Sihnfahl wrote: »

NiRN wrote: »

The people that created and run the game don't actually play MMO's.

... Matt Firor, the Head Dev, was Head Dev of DAoC...

... Who grouped with Mark Jacobs and did Warhammer Online.
Great game that was, except it failed miserably and was considered to be one of the most spectacular failures in MMO history.

GossiTheDog · May 2014

The US office is obviously closed now, and that's where the developers are. My guess is later on today when US opens, there will be a response.

And yes, it's hilarious this patch is being pushed to EU.

killedbyping · May 2014

Arreyanne wrote: »

tilolyen_ESO wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Joking aside, since xp was supposed to have been doubled, it might be that they doubled the wrong thing.

Good thing they had a PTS to work out all these bugs before it was released on the live servers.

LMAO I said these exact same words ohh two weeks ago, limited testing gets limited results.

Like the PTS People all raved about how swell the game was pre launch.
Then Zenimax launched the game, OH Wow did they launch a Challenger

PTS tester only use this testing to find out new exploits for their own pleasure and then abuse it as hard as possible before other become aware of that.

LadyDestiny · May 2014

As if VR mobs and bosses were not difficult enough. They were doable but if it is like this, well I sure hope they plan on turning off repair cost. I don't care to play the game on nightmare mode. I can go play Dark Souls for that........this will lead to more irritation, frustration, anger and so on. I prefer to play to enjoy with some challenges along the way.

SirAndy · May 2014

tilolyen_ESO wrote: »

Good thing they had a PTS to work out all these bugs before it was released on the live servers.

@tilolyen_ESO‌
All we got from ZOS were VR9 templates to exclusively test Craglorn.

None of the other "fixes" were tested on the PTS ...

Joy_Division · May 2014

At least PvP was fun tonight. Talk to us Zenimax.

KerinKor · May 2014

driosketch wrote: »

Joking aside, since xp was supposed to have been doubled, it might be that they doubled the wrong thing.

LOL. Who knows, but doubling XP while doubling (or worse) time-to-kill of course achieves nothing but even more frustration than before.

Rylana · May 2014

This makes me wanna go check out some VR8s

BrassRazoo · May 2014

Hotsauce wrote: »

Not so fun, pull 2 mobs and instantly die.
Montclair Knight- Quick Strike 327 dmg
Montclair Knight- Lava Whip 1406 dmg
Montclair Immortal- Uppercut 938 dmg
Montclair Immortal-Quick Strike 252 dmg

I only have 2004 health =(

Not a very fair fight.
(and why don't any of my skills do that sort of damage???)

I also want to do 1400 damage in a single hit.
I think at present my most is about 780 crit with Crystal Blast but with the cast time I'll probably only get one shot off before getting spanked!

Trracer · May 2014

Just posting to voice my concern about this when the EU server comes back up again.

Laura · May 2014

i'm guessing its a bug and they are trying to figure out how to say "we fd up"

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THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU HAVE AN EXTREMELY SMALL TEST GROUP TEST YOUR MAJOR PATCHES.

This is why MOST mmos have the PTS open to ALL subscribers! I am guessing nobody in your very small test group went to other veteran content just to try it but I guarantee if you had opened it to ALL someone would have figured it out.

Hopefully they live and learn.

Loxy37 · May 2014

Hilgara wrote: »

Eu player here. Still patching when I left for work but every post I have read (here, Tamriel Foundry and Reddit) are all saying the same thing. Seriously, how can they f*ck up so often?
If this was intended then it's obvious that no one in ZOS plays any MMO let alone their own game and if its a bug....well....I'm speechless.

I doubt you are patching as the EU server is still offline and the patch isn't online yet. I think you should avoid too much caffine in the morning, it pickles the brain

I must say that I'm really getting a little tired of all this. I used to be a staunch defender of Zenimax and planned to stick with the game regardless but now I'm growing tired and may let it lapse for a few months and see how it pans out. I can cope with bots, difficulty but not insane to the point of unfun!

Let's just hope they realise and pull the EU patch and roll back our US cousins server. I think its about time that they reassess what the hell they are doing!

gretesh01A · May 2014

can confirm eu server has been down 5 hrs and still no patch so lets wait .......

killedbyping · May 2014

gretesh01A wrote: »

can confirm eu server has been down 5 hrs and still no patch so lets wait .......

NA server was down for almost whole day arent they ?

Loxy37 · May 2014

EU has now been off for 7 hours. I know cause 4am to 7am is my primetime. Don't get to play now until much later. US server was off for 6.5 hours. Hopefully they have realised that they have yet again made one step forward and 2 back!

Maybe they won't deploy the patch but knowing them they will and prey we don't notice and humpteen bugs that they have introduce on top of the numerous nerfs + content that most of us will prolly never play!

smokes · May 2014

i can only assume this was an honest mistake: either it was intended to increase the xp, but somehow scaled all stats up, or somehow the changes to cyrodiil mobs upscaled all 50+ mobs the same amount.

either way, zenimax needs to. A. admit the mistake. and B. fix it ASAP.

thankfully i have a level 17 sorcerer to level when i get home, who won't be affected by this, but my VR4 templar will be geting benched until a fix is applied - although i may have to venture out just to test the water.

although on the other hand, pvp should be a bit more balanced now

Loxy37 · May 2014

smokes wrote: »

i can only assume this was an honest mistake: either it was intended to increase the xp, but somehow scaled all stats up, or somehow the changes to cyrodiil mobs upscaled all 50+ mobs the same amount.

either way, zenimax needs to. A. admit the mistake. and B. fix it ASAP.

thankfully i have a level 17 sorcerer to level when i get home, who won't be affected by this, but my VR4 templar will be geting benched until a fix is applied - although i may have to venture out just to test the water.

although on the other hand, pvp should be a bit more balanced now

That's great logic but what about PTS? Surely someone said something or did they recruit all dark souls players to test the patch! I'm all for difficulty, I played skyrim on legendary with mods to increase difficulty more but if mobs are 1 shorting people them that's UnFun!

Harleyquincey · May 2014

I sincerely think this has to do with scaling the mobs for Craglorn, like they might have simply put the variables from those group-designed mobs from Craglorn for ALL VR mobs by mistake. That would explain why it does not affect special "mini-bosses" and such since those wouldn't be considered "regular vr mobs" from what I can understand.

So.. I think this is clearly not intentional and might just have been an accident. A very very annoying accident, but an accident nonetheless. That's at least my 2 cents on it and I really doubt ZeniMax would stealth-patch regular mobs to this difficulty.

Also it makes me wonder just how naive some players are that really think something like this would happen on purpose. But then again...working in CS myself for 7 years now.. not much can shock me in that regard anymore.

Also the community managers are human beings so while I agree there should ( and probably will ) be someone reading the currently ongoing ***, usually it's the higher-ups that decide when a reply is "presentable" and also, given the current US time, they might be on night staff so.. less than at office times.

killedbyping · May 2014

Now my Launcher not offering me client update. Only if i choose NA servers but if i do so it patches NA version of client

ZoM_Head · May 2014

BrassRazoo wrote: »

Typical.

I have been trying to adjust (VR9) in Malabar Tor, to cope with the Mobs on my VR8 Sorcerer.
I can handle 3 at times, 4 without Ultimate and I'm gone.
Now they double the damage and HP.

This game is really starting to bore me.

I have been questing for 40 days, had to deal with all the nerfs / fixes that effect set ups due to PvP and I don't even play PvP.
I had to deal with drop rate nerfs because of Bots and Motif farmers.
Now they add this on top.

Give me a break!

I hear you, i did not touch PVP and all these nerfs and what not hitting the PVE interested players.

Loxy37 · May 2014

killedbyping wrote: »

Now my Launcher not offering me client update. Only if i choose NA servers but if i do so it patches NA version of client

Did this with me. Launch the game and attempt to login, it won't. Now quit, you will get manifest error (Don't repair). Now quit the launcher and restart it. Should work now. 2.8 GB is the first patch and I'm getting about 5.3 mB/s. There's another patch after but not got to that yet.

dinges · May 2014

It just leeches 2.5 / 3.0 gb then checks the full game files as it always does. Second part is not additional data, its merging the new data in old.

limeli8 · May 2014

The VR exp has been INCREASED BY A TON from killing mobs, and the mobs were also buffed a bit, seriously WTF ARE YOU ALL CRYING ABOUT? You now get more exp from killing 1 mob than from like 4 before the patch!

4 times the exp and only 1.5 times hp! What is the problem?

Arwyn · May 2014

limeli8 wrote: »

The VR exp has been INCREASED BY A TON from killing mobs, and the mobs were also buffed a bit, seriously WTF ARE YOU ALL CRYING ABOUT? You now get more exp from killing 1 mob than from like 4 before the patch!

4 times the exp and only 1.5 times hp! What is the problem?

I believe the problem is also that the damage was increased, meaning that mage mobs could do 1.3k damage in a hit, with 2 mages thats one dead player with no way to counter it.