PLEASE fix this, this has destroyed a very viable DPS build for templar. The skill even has dead time after it is cast, regardless of what you use. Ex. Biting Jabs (and it's morphs) then following up with impulse, the character just stands there, as though lagging. Trying to chain any skill after Biting jabs equals a massive animation delay. Templar DPS is dead.

Yeap , i already gave up lols.

To start with , this was just some ninja nerf , next time , come and say it , dont just try to add something without informing the players.

Not that any templar would not notice the dif.

dermottib14_ESO wrote: »

Biting jabs now has almost a second delay between each time you cast it. Pre patch it was pretty accurate to the 1.1 second channel time.

Ive done various tests, and on average it takes over 12 seconds to cast the ability 5 times. Thats about 2.5 seconds to cast something that is supposed to take 1.1 seconds.

Please Zennimax respond to this thread. Thank you.

My calculations show a 1.37 second delay after the 1.1 second channel has been added. So, yea about 2.5 seconds per biting jabs sounds right.

I sincerely hope it was unintentional, because there was no mention in the patch notes, and no skill refund, and well, it completely destroys the effectiveness of the skill and ruins the feel of combat for my templar. I feel like I am fighting in slow motion or playing FFXIV:ARR. It's really bad.

EDIT: People are talking about it in this thread also:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100485/was-biting-jabs-nerfed

Would be nice a dev would clue us in as to whether this was intentional or not.

KerisDoin wrote: »

For me it seems like a fix rather than a nerf. Before patch you were able to start casting a new Biting Jabs while still being in the animation of the first one. Now it correctly finishes the animation of the first one before casting the second one. You do take a hit between two casts now but well... i dont think it was intended to be spammable to a point of not taking any damage because the target is endless CCed in the first place.

How does changing it so you can only cast 1 biting jabs every 2.5 seconds equate to a "fix" in your mind? It's supposed to be castable every 1.1 seconds.

Epo wrote: »

thats realy hard for the 1 button templar. Lol

From someone who obv does not play a temp. Shoo troll, your bridge is unoccupied.

KerisDoin wrote: »

For me it seems like a fix rather than a nerf. Before patch you were able to start casting a new Biting Jabs while still being in the animation of the first one. Now it correctly finishes the animation of the first one before casting the second one. You do take a hit between two casts now but well... i dont think it was intended to be spammable to a point of not taking any damage because the target is endless CCed in the first place.

And even then , it is not much mate.

I used this skill up to vet9 , let me tell you , if you trust only on this skill to get you there , you will die.

This skill could at best lock 1 target , problem is , templars got a much better and stronger way to lock 1 target , and if your target if actually strong like a troll , you will probably burned all your mana and it will still be alive , which only adds to how bad it is for this.

The DPS was also nothing to write home about.

Honestly , overall , templar had much better skills than this lols , but this was still the best spear skill to dps on groups, now , you have nothing.

That one hit the mob lets in , plus the low damage...

it was only passable , because you could spam it , currently , it is trash.

And templar became even more , a damm healer.

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

And even then , it is not much mate.

I used this skill up to vet9 , let me tell you , if you trust only on this skill to get you there , you will die.

This skill could at best lock 1 target , problem is , templars got a much better and stronger way to lock 1 target , and if your target if actually strong like a troll , you will probably burned all your mana and it will still be alive , which only adds to how bad it is for this.

The DPS was also nothing to write home about.

Honestly , overall , templar had much better skills than this lols , but this was still the best spear skill to dps on groups, now , you have nothing.

That one hit the mob lets in , plus the low damage...

it was only passable , because you could spam it , currently , it is trash.

And templar became even more , a damm healer.

Let me tell you, i solo leveled my templar to v10 and know very well what the skill does. It wasnt me who complained about taking damage between casts, that comment came from others.

About its dps, the dps is fine since you get Burning Light procs on every single hit of Biting Jabs, and Burning Light also has a chance to crit. I am using the ability still and i dont even feel a big difference other than not being able to endless CC a single mob with it, for which case like you already said we have much better skills than Biting Jabs. Honestly i even doubt the mentioned number of "2.5s per cast", its not even nearly that long for me, OP maybe has higher ping or any other sort of delay on his side.

As for "templar became even more , a damm healer" in my opinion if someone was going for a dps class templar was never the best choice. I wouldnt have choose templar if i werent going for a healer, but i dont see how Biting Jabs actually change anything about that.

As a Magicka build templar, Biting Jabs is my main DD skill.
I don't even see why it should get a nerf as it was already balanced.

Ironically, I can still easily solo any single target that was previously affected by cc effects. World bosses, quest bosses, etc. Javelin, Volcanic Rune, Uppercut, Magnum Shot, Force Shock, and more all still work fine. If I go slow and time things right, I can keep any single target locked down. What I cannot do is kill a simple 3-mob group with my level 3 Templar mule who "mistakenly" had only Puncturing Strikes as his damage skill.

On my VR 10 Templar, I basically HAVE to rely on Volcanic Rune and other non-templar skills to take down groups. I had to adjust my style, but its doable, most of the time, but a lot slower. The biggest problem is that, if this is intended, I would want to change the morphs on 3 other templar skills to compensate, as Biting Jabs was my only in-class AoE. For AoE DPS I'm forced back into Impulse, since I am a magicka based DPS, a skill I was delighted to have an excuse to drop with it's own nerf this patch.

evedgebah wrote: »

On my VR 10 Templar, I basically HAVE to rely on Volcanic Rune and other non-templar skills to take down groups. I had to adjust my style, but its doable, most of the time, but a lot slower.

I dont see a big change just because its animation time is a bit longer now tbh. Its not like it CCs the whole group, it only knocks back 1 mob for a short time so even before you would have used Volcanic Rune if you wanted to CC a group. Stuff in v9/10 maps were already hitting fairly hard before and didnt drop dead in just 1 or two Biting Jabs casts. The fact that mobs after the change take so long to die isnt because of the Biting Jabs change, its because their HP doubled making fights twice as long, im sure this veteran mob change wasnt intended tho.