BardokRedSnow wrote: »

For people that claimed 40k whip was possible WITHOUT corrosive tho thats still cap, which this video shows.

Who said this person did it without corrosive? The guy had 40k resist everyone would assume it's corrosive. Who are you even talking to? You shadow box nobody constantly.

As it stands right now, DK needs a substantial nerf to both Whip and its sustain. You can’t justify leaving one class this far ahead for the better part of a year on the basis that the other classes will eventually be brought up to its level. Balance has to account for the game we’re actually playing now, not where it might be after every rework is finally finished.

Yeah but nerf werewolf 🤡

Firstmep wrote: »

41k whip is ofc an outlier, most I've been hit before was like 25k, but let's be clear that's still way too much. 3 stack whip hits harder than most ultimates while it can be unleashed every 4th global, that's not okay.
As for what the intention of the devs are, how strong they want dk, we don't actually know, so no reason to speculate. We can however give our feedback.

I get hit all the time for 25k whips, but it's also accompanied by inhale, incinerate, random light attacks and procs, and maybe a leap or corrosive dot. Dying instantly to DK burst has become a daily occurrence.

The people doing it aren't even built as glass cannons. DK just has way too much burst with whip being the worst part of it.

CannedChicken wrote: »

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Were you wearing armor? /joke

I had 43k spell resist and major protection from monomyth. It didn't even help.

They were in Corrosive so technically Armor is out of the equation entirely.

Not defending the damage at all, but Corrosive makes armor meaningless here.

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

For people that claimed 40k whip was possible WITHOUT corrosive tho thats still cap, which this video shows.

Who said this person did it without corrosive? The guy had 40k resist everyone would assume it's corrosive. Who are you even talking to? You shadow box nobody constantly.

Your words not mine lol

There’s been so many of these threads you all blend together, people have claimed 40k whips was possible without corrosive, pretty sure that was you or luneca saying it could be done while in a ball, which would to me mean nerf ballgroups not dk….

I said that was impossible even buffed by a ball and even if I am wrong on that it’s an extremely uncommon scenario

Same even with corrosive, obviously it’s possible but possible doesn’t make it common or easy to pull off which is why the actual build should be examined. So again go look and see all the conditions you gotta do to pull that off, guarantee it’s some glass cannon dk build, and extreme one hit builds have always existed in this game.

Highest whips I saw an actual brawler dk pull was around and over 27k with crit chance at 35%, crit damage 86% and wd at around 7k and he had to use vateshrans back bar maarselok oakfathers dual wield front and so on, and run around line of sighting like crazy

The builds you’re complaining about aren’t common occurrences and I imagine if the likes of you was able to commonly pull off 41k whips or 50k like you claim you would be playing the game more and winning fights there instead of flaunting so called prowess in online debates here

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

For people that claimed 40k whip was possible WITHOUT corrosive tho thats still cap, which this video shows.

Who said this person did it without corrosive? The guy had 40k resist everyone would assume it's corrosive. Who are you even talking to? You shadow box nobody constantly.

Your words not mine lol

There’s been so many of these threads you all blend together, people have claimed 40k whips was possible without corrosive, pretty sure that was you or luneca saying it could be done while in a ball, which would to me mean nerf ballgroups not dk….

I said that was impossible even buffed by a ball and even if I am wrong on that it’s an extremely uncommon scenario

Same even with corrosive, obviously it’s possible but possible doesn’t make it common or easy to pull off which is why the actual build should be examined. So again go look and see all the conditions you gotta do to pull that off, guarantee it’s some glass cannon dk build, and extreme one hit builds have always existed in this game.

Highest whips I saw an actual brawler dk pull was around and over 27k with crit chance at 35%, crit damage 86% and wd at around 7k and he had to use vateshrans back bar maarselok oakfathers dual wield front and so on, and run around line of sighting like crazy

The builds you’re complaining about aren’t common occurrences and I imagine if the likes of you was able to commonly pull off 41k whips or 50k like you claim you would be playing the game more and winning fights there instead of flaunting so called prowess in online debates here

Something being difficult or requiring a specific build doesn’t make the end result balanced. If you have to stack buffs, use specific sets, and line up conditions to get a massive Whip, that just means there’s a high skill/build ceiling—not that the ceiling is appropriate.

You’re arguing against a claim nobody made. Nobody said every DK is casually hitting 40k Whips. The question is whether Molten Whip’s potential burst is excessive. “40k whip doesn’t happen often” doesn’t answer that. 25k is a pretty common occurrence. That is not okay for a normal spammable with an easy stacking condition.

So nerf ballgroups not dk problem solved

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

For people that claimed 40k whip was possible WITHOUT corrosive tho thats still cap, which this video shows.

Who said this person did it without corrosive? The guy had 40k resist everyone would assume it's corrosive. Who are you even talking to? You shadow box nobody constantly.

Your words not mine lol

There’s been so many of these threads you all blend together, people have claimed 40k whips was possible without corrosive, pretty sure that was you or luneca saying it could be done while in a ball, which would to me mean nerf ballgroups not dk….

I said that was impossible even buffed by a ball and even if I am wrong on that it’s an extremely uncommon scenario

Same even with corrosive, obviously it’s possible but possible doesn’t make it common or easy to pull off which is why the actual build should be examined. So again go look and see all the conditions you gotta do to pull that off, guarantee it’s some glass cannon dk build, and extreme one hit builds have always existed in this game.

Highest whips I saw an actual brawler dk pull was around and over 27k with crit chance at 35%, crit damage 86% and wd at around 7k and he had to use vateshrans back bar maarselok oakfathers dual wield front and so on, and run around line of sighting like crazy

The builds you’re complaining about aren’t common occurrences and I imagine if the likes of you was able to commonly pull off 41k whips or 50k like you claim you would be playing the game more and winning fights there instead of flaunting so called prowess in online debates here

Something being difficult or requiring a specific build doesn’t make the end result balanced. If you have to stack buffs, use specific sets, and line up conditions to get a massive Whip, that just means there’s a high skill/build ceiling—not that the ceiling is appropriate.

You’re arguing against a claim nobody made. Nobody said every DK is casually hitting 40k Whips. The question is whether Molten Whip’s potential burst is excessive. “40k whip doesn’t happen often” doesn’t answer that. 25k is a pretty common occurrence. That is not okay for a normal spammable with an easy stacking condition.

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

For people that claimed 40k whip was possible WITHOUT corrosive tho thats still cap, which this video shows.

Who said this person did it without corrosive? The guy had 40k resist everyone would assume it's corrosive. Who are you even talking to? You shadow box nobody constantly.

Your words not mine lol

There’s been so many of these threads you all blend together, people have claimed 40k whips was possible without corrosive, pretty sure that was you or luneca saying it could be done while in a ball, which would to me mean nerf ballgroups not dk….

I said that was impossible even buffed by a ball and even if I am wrong on that it’s an extremely uncommon scenario

Same even with corrosive, obviously it’s possible but possible doesn’t make it common or easy to pull off which is why the actual build should be examined. So again go look and see all the conditions you gotta do to pull that off, guarantee it’s some glass cannon dk build, and extreme one hit builds have always existed in this game.

Highest whips I saw an actual brawler dk pull was around and over 27k with crit chance at 35%, crit damage 86% and wd at around 7k and he had to use vateshrans back bar maarselok oakfathers dual wield front and so on, and run around line of sighting like crazy

The builds you’re complaining about aren’t common occurrences and I imagine if the likes of you was able to commonly pull off 41k whips or 50k like you claim you would be playing the game more and winning fights there instead of flaunting so called prowess in online debates here

Something being difficult or requiring a specific build doesn’t make the end result balanced. If you have to stack buffs, use specific sets, and line up conditions to get a massive Whip, that just means there’s a high skill/build ceiling—not that the ceiling is appropriate.

You’re arguing against a claim nobody made. Nobody said every DK is casually hitting 40k Whips. The question is whether Molten Whip’s potential burst is excessive. “40k whip doesn’t happen often” doesn’t answer that. 25k is a pretty common occurrence. That is not okay for a normal spammable with an easy stacking condition.

If it’s not common or usual then there’s no need for a nerf, it’s so uncommon most players have never even seen it before

You’re complaining about something you’ll likely never encounter, you’re more likely to get ganked by a Sorc than a dk

It not being common was your argument, not mine. I don’t know why you’re replying to your own arguments. I simply said it isn’t something someone does casually. “Casually” and “common” aren’t the same thing. You still aren’t addressing the root of my arguments and instead seem to be responding to things I’m not actually saying.

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

For people that claimed 40k whip was possible WITHOUT corrosive tho thats still cap, which this video shows.

Who said this person did it without corrosive? The guy had 40k resist everyone would assume it's corrosive. Who are you even talking to? You shadow box nobody constantly.

Your words not mine lol

There’s been so many of these threads you all blend together, people have claimed 40k whips was possible without corrosive, pretty sure that was you or luneca saying it could be done while in a ball, which would to me mean nerf ballgroups not dk….

I said that was impossible even buffed by a ball and even if I am wrong on that it’s an extremely uncommon scenario

Same even with corrosive, obviously it’s possible but possible doesn’t make it common or easy to pull off which is why the actual build should be examined. So again go look and see all the conditions you gotta do to pull that off, guarantee it’s some glass cannon dk build, and extreme one hit builds have always existed in this game.

Highest whips I saw an actual brawler dk pull was around and over 27k with crit chance at 35%, crit damage 86% and wd at around 7k and he had to use vateshrans back bar maarselok oakfathers dual wield front and so on, and run around line of sighting like crazy

The builds you’re complaining about aren’t common occurrences and I imagine if the likes of you was able to commonly pull off 41k whips or 50k like you claim you would be playing the game more and winning fights there instead of flaunting so called prowess in online debates here

Something being difficult or requiring a specific build doesn’t make the end result balanced. If you have to stack buffs, use specific sets, and line up conditions to get a massive Whip, that just means there’s a high skill/build ceiling—not that the ceiling is appropriate.

You’re arguing against a claim nobody made. Nobody said every DK is casually hitting 40k Whips. The question is whether Molten Whip’s potential burst is excessive. “40k whip doesn’t happen often” doesn’t answer that. 25k is a pretty common occurrence. That is not okay for a normal spammable with an easy stacking condition.

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

For people that claimed 40k whip was possible WITHOUT corrosive tho thats still cap, which this video shows.

Who said this person did it without corrosive? The guy had 40k resist everyone would assume it's corrosive. Who are you even talking to? You shadow box nobody constantly.

Your words not mine lol

There’s been so many of these threads you all blend together, people have claimed 40k whips was possible without corrosive, pretty sure that was you or luneca saying it could be done while in a ball, which would to me mean nerf ballgroups not dk….

I said that was impossible even buffed by a ball and even if I am wrong on that it’s an extremely uncommon scenario

Same even with corrosive, obviously it’s possible but possible doesn’t make it common or easy to pull off which is why the actual build should be examined. So again go look and see all the conditions you gotta do to pull that off, guarantee it’s some glass cannon dk build, and extreme one hit builds have always existed in this game.

Highest whips I saw an actual brawler dk pull was around and over 27k with crit chance at 35%, crit damage 86% and wd at around 7k and he had to use vateshrans back bar maarselok oakfathers dual wield front and so on, and run around line of sighting like crazy

The builds you’re complaining about aren’t common occurrences and I imagine if the likes of you was able to commonly pull off 41k whips or 50k like you claim you would be playing the game more and winning fights there instead of flaunting so called prowess in online debates here

Something being difficult or requiring a specific build doesn’t make the end result balanced. If you have to stack buffs, use specific sets, and line up conditions to get a massive Whip, that just means there’s a high skill/build ceiling—not that the ceiling is appropriate.

You’re arguing against a claim nobody made. Nobody said every DK is casually hitting 40k Whips. The question is whether Molten Whip’s potential burst is excessive. “40k whip doesn’t happen often” doesn’t answer that. 25k is a pretty common occurrence. That is not okay for a normal spammable with an easy stacking condition.

If it’s not common or usual then there’s no need for a nerf, it’s so uncommon most players have never even seen it before

You’re complaining about something you’ll likely never encounter, you’re more likely to get ganked by a Sorc than a dk

It not being common was your argument, not mine. I don’t know why you’re replying to your own arguments. I simply said it isn’t something someone does casually. “Casually” and “common” aren’t the same thing. You still aren’t addressing the root of my arguments and instead seem to be responding to things I’m not actually saying.

The root being that the whip out of corro casually hits for 15-19k and in corro/onslaught hits for ~27k completely ignoring the primary form of mitigation to protect against high hits.

In other words, 40k+ is only possible as it’s unhealthily hitting for upwards of 30k in casual PvP gear (Bloodspawn, Mono, Rally cry). All while being insta-cast and combo-able directly into the 2H scribable (fear) or Shattering Rocks (fossilize).

Teeba_Shei wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

So nerf ballgroups not dk problem solved

That doesn’t address the root of the problem. There wasn’t a ball group involved at all in the video posted in this thread. Ball groups simply make it easier to do this without sacrificing defense. The ability still provides insane burst with an easy proc condition and minimal skill required, even without a ball group involved. 25k–30k whips are extremely common, and several people have already pointed that out in this thread.

I understand you’re enjoying how absurdly strong Whip is right now, but that doesn’t make it healthy for the game’s balance. Defending its insane burst and frequent one-shots simply because you enjoy benefiting from it isn’t really an argument for why the ability is balanced. It’s an argument for why you don’t want it changed.

The dude is a troll, he does this on literally every thread. 40k solo whip = nerf ballgroup. Nothing this person says is serious.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

For people that claimed 40k whip was possible WITHOUT corrosive tho thats still cap, which this video shows.

Who said this person did it without corrosive? The guy had 40k resist everyone would assume it's corrosive. Who are you even talking to? You shadow box nobody constantly.

Your words not mine lol

There’s been so many of these threads you all blend together, people have claimed 40k whips was possible without corrosive, pretty sure that was you or luneca saying it could be done while in a ball, which would to me mean nerf ballgroups not dk….

I said that was impossible even buffed by a ball and even if I am wrong on that it’s an extremely uncommon scenario

Same even with corrosive, obviously it’s possible but possible doesn’t make it common or easy to pull off which is why the actual build should be examined. So again go look and see all the conditions you gotta do to pull that off, guarantee it’s some glass cannon dk build, and extreme one hit builds have always existed in this game.

Highest whips I saw an actual brawler dk pull was around and over 27k with crit chance at 35%, crit damage 86% and wd at around 7k and he had to use vateshrans back bar maarselok oakfathers dual wield front and so on, and run around line of sighting like crazy

The builds you’re complaining about aren’t common occurrences and I imagine if the likes of you was able to commonly pull off 41k whips or 50k like you claim you would be playing the game more and winning fights there instead of flaunting so called prowess in online debates here

Something being difficult or requiring a specific build doesn’t make the end result balanced. If you have to stack buffs, use specific sets, and line up conditions to get a massive Whip, that just means there’s a high skill/build ceiling—not that the ceiling is appropriate.

You’re arguing against a claim nobody made. Nobody said every DK is casually hitting 40k Whips. The question is whether Molten Whip’s potential burst is excessive. “40k whip doesn’t happen often” doesn’t answer that. 25k is a pretty common occurrence. That is not okay for a normal spammable with an easy stacking condition.

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

For people that claimed 40k whip was possible WITHOUT corrosive tho thats still cap, which this video shows.

Who said this person did it without corrosive? The guy had 40k resist everyone would assume it's corrosive. Who are you even talking to? You shadow box nobody constantly.

Your words not mine lol

There’s been so many of these threads you all blend together, people have claimed 40k whips was possible without corrosive, pretty sure that was you or luneca saying it could be done while in a ball, which would to me mean nerf ballgroups not dk….

I said that was impossible even buffed by a ball and even if I am wrong on that it’s an extremely uncommon scenario

Same even with corrosive, obviously it’s possible but possible doesn’t make it common or easy to pull off which is why the actual build should be examined. So again go look and see all the conditions you gotta do to pull that off, guarantee it’s some glass cannon dk build, and extreme one hit builds have always existed in this game.

Highest whips I saw an actual brawler dk pull was around and over 27k with crit chance at 35%, crit damage 86% and wd at around 7k and he had to use vateshrans back bar maarselok oakfathers dual wield front and so on, and run around line of sighting like crazy

The builds you’re complaining about aren’t common occurrences and I imagine if the likes of you was able to commonly pull off 41k whips or 50k like you claim you would be playing the game more and winning fights there instead of flaunting so called prowess in online debates here

Something being difficult or requiring a specific build doesn’t make the end result balanced. If you have to stack buffs, use specific sets, and line up conditions to get a massive Whip, that just means there’s a high skill/build ceiling—not that the ceiling is appropriate.

You’re arguing against a claim nobody made. Nobody said every DK is casually hitting 40k Whips. The question is whether Molten Whip’s potential burst is excessive. “40k whip doesn’t happen often” doesn’t answer that. 25k is a pretty common occurrence. That is not okay for a normal spammable with an easy stacking condition.

If it’s not common or usual then there’s no need for a nerf, it’s so uncommon most players have never even seen it before

You’re complaining about something you’ll likely never encounter, you’re more likely to get ganked by a Sorc than a dk

It not being common was your argument, not mine. I don’t know why you’re replying to your own arguments. I simply said it isn’t something someone does casually. “Casually” and “common” aren’t the same thing. You still aren’t addressing the root of my arguments and instead seem to be responding to things I’m not actually saying.

There's a lot of you for one, for two one would think and assume that if people think something should be nerfed its because a result is showing up often, or commonly. "Casually" is subjective, what looks easy to layman observers isnt necessarily to the one doing the burst.

If you arent arguing its common, you have no argument then, you're just complaining.

Can you actually address what I'm saying instead of arguing about the definitions of words or replying to your own arguments? 25k-30k are common numbers being hit by molten whip. Does that seem okay to you?

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

For people that claimed 40k whip was possible WITHOUT corrosive tho thats still cap, which this video shows.

Who said this person did it without corrosive? The guy had 40k resist everyone would assume it's corrosive. Who are you even talking to? You shadow box nobody constantly.

Your words not mine lol

There’s been so many of these threads you all blend together, people have claimed 40k whips was possible without corrosive, pretty sure that was you or luneca saying it could be done while in a ball, which would to me mean nerf ballgroups not dk….

I said that was impossible even buffed by a ball and even if I am wrong on that it’s an extremely uncommon scenario

Same even with corrosive, obviously it’s possible but possible doesn’t make it common or easy to pull off which is why the actual build should be examined. So again go look and see all the conditions you gotta do to pull that off, guarantee it’s some glass cannon dk build, and extreme one hit builds have always existed in this game.

Highest whips I saw an actual brawler dk pull was around and over 27k with crit chance at 35%, crit damage 86% and wd at around 7k and he had to use vateshrans back bar maarselok oakfathers dual wield front and so on, and run around line of sighting like crazy

The builds you’re complaining about aren’t common occurrences and I imagine if the likes of you was able to commonly pull off 41k whips or 50k like you claim you would be playing the game more and winning fights there instead of flaunting so called prowess in online debates here

Something being difficult or requiring a specific build doesn’t make the end result balanced. If you have to stack buffs, use specific sets, and line up conditions to get a massive Whip, that just means there’s a high skill/build ceiling—not that the ceiling is appropriate.

You’re arguing against a claim nobody made. Nobody said every DK is casually hitting 40k Whips. The question is whether Molten Whip’s potential burst is excessive. “40k whip doesn’t happen often” doesn’t answer that. 25k is a pretty common occurrence. That is not okay for a normal spammable with an easy stacking condition.

MeridiaFavorsMe wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NovelliESO wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

For people that claimed 40k whip was possible WITHOUT corrosive tho thats still cap, which this video shows.

Who said this person did it without corrosive? The guy had 40k resist everyone would assume it's corrosive. Who are you even talking to? You shadow box nobody constantly.

Your words not mine lol

There’s been so many of these threads you all blend together, people have claimed 40k whips was possible without corrosive, pretty sure that was you or luneca saying it could be done while in a ball, which would to me mean nerf ballgroups not dk….

I said that was impossible even buffed by a ball and even if I am wrong on that it’s an extremely uncommon scenario

Same even with corrosive, obviously it’s possible but possible doesn’t make it common or easy to pull off which is why the actual build should be examined. So again go look and see all the conditions you gotta do to pull that off, guarantee it’s some glass cannon dk build, and extreme one hit builds have always existed in this game.

Highest whips I saw an actual brawler dk pull was around and over 27k with crit chance at 35%, crit damage 86% and wd at around 7k and he had to use vateshrans back bar maarselok oakfathers dual wield front and so on, and run around line of sighting like crazy

The builds you’re complaining about aren’t common occurrences and I imagine if the likes of you was able to commonly pull off 41k whips or 50k like you claim you would be playing the game more and winning fights there instead of flaunting so called prowess in online debates here

Something being difficult or requiring a specific build doesn’t make the end result balanced. If you have to stack buffs, use specific sets, and line up conditions to get a massive Whip, that just means there’s a high skill/build ceiling—not that the ceiling is appropriate.

You’re arguing against a claim nobody made. Nobody said every DK is casually hitting 40k Whips. The question is whether Molten Whip’s potential burst is excessive. “40k whip doesn’t happen often” doesn’t answer that. 25k is a pretty common occurrence. That is not okay for a normal spammable with an easy stacking condition.

If it’s not common or usual then there’s no need for a nerf, it’s so uncommon most players have never even seen it before

You’re complaining about something you’ll likely never encounter, you’re more likely to get ganked by a Sorc than a dk

It not being common was your argument, not mine. I don’t know why you’re replying to your own arguments. I simply said it isn’t something someone does casually. “Casually” and “common” aren’t the same thing. You still aren’t addressing the root of my arguments and instead seem to be responding to things I’m not actually saying.

There's a lot of you for one, for two one would think and assume that if people think something should be nerfed its because a result is showing up often, or commonly. "Casually" is subjective, what looks easy to layman observers isnt necessarily to the one doing the burst.

If you arent arguing its common, you have no argument then, you're just complaining.

Can you actually address what I'm saying instead of arguing about the definitions of words or replying to your own arguments? 25k-30k are common numbers being hit by molten whip. Does that seem okay to you?

define common because i have never gotten hit by 25k whips, have you considered getting more crit resistances? Maybe its crit that should be examined not dk

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Teeba_Shei wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

So nerf ballgroups not dk problem solved

That doesn’t address the root of the problem. There wasn’t a ball group involved at all in the video posted in this thread. Ball groups simply make it easier to do this without sacrificing defense. The ability still provides insane burst with an easy proc condition and minimal skill required, even without a ball group involved. 25k–30k whips are extremely common, and several people have already pointed that out in this thread.

I understand you’re enjoying how absurdly strong Whip is right now, but that doesn’t make it healthy for the game’s balance. Defending its insane burst and frequent one-shots simply because you enjoy benefiting from it isn’t really an argument for why the ability is balanced. It’s an argument for why you don’t want it changed.

What you should understand is, as the developers said, whip is in a good place right now for everyone else that plays DK. Outliers are outliers for a reason, be it in a ball or a dk corrosive gank build its not the norm. Nerfing anything because of outliers is always a bad idea when you instead can more easily nerf the individual builds be they ballgroup buffing or a glass cannon dk running around ic.

You're asking to punish the grand majority of players and making their spammable useless because a handful of players served up some piping hot burst and you see only the results of it and not the prep.

I disagree. Calling these players “outliers” doesn’t really address the underlying problem. If a build or interaction can consistently produce burst that is clearly outside the intended power level, the fact that only a smaller portion of the playerbase is capable of doing it doesn’t automatically make the ability itself balanced.

Nobody is asking for Whip to be gutted or made useless for the majority of DK players. There’s a very simple middle ground here: add a Battle Spirit interaction and reduce the total damage per stack. That would still allow Whip to provide meaningful, decent burst while lowering the absolute ceiling on how hard it can hit in PvP. You preserve the identity and usefulness of the ability without allowing the extreme outlier cases to produce absurd numbers.

And yes, there is preparation involved in those burst combos—but that’s true of virtually every strong build. The fact that someone had to set up their burst doesn’t automatically make the resulting damage reasonable. The question is whether the payoff is appropriate for the amount of counterplay available once that setup is complete.

Saying “the majority doesn’t play it that way” also isn’t really a defense against balancing the outlier interaction. Balance changes don’t have to be an all-or-nothing decision between leaving something untouched and completely destroying it. If the issue is specifically the upper end of Whip’s damage, then lower that ceiling rather than pretending the only possible solution is to make the skill bad for everyone.

A Battle Spirit modifier that lowers the damage-per-stack value seems like a much more targeted solution. It keeps Whip strong, keeps DK burst meaningful, and addresses the ridiculous burst potential without punishing everyone who uses the skill normally.