Werewolves are "Burst Fighters"

Panderbander · August 5

Did I miss something about werewolf in this game? Do we have a new burst combo that isn't just pressure and outlast? According to the PTS patch notes, werewolves are "excellent burst fighters" now!

Radiate77 · August 5

The only burst you have on Werewolf comes from a set…

huskandhunger · August 5

@ZOS_Kevin with the cost increases and the transformation burden of synergy conditions, can we have our gnash bypass resistances or get some love in the "burst department" because right now it's more like a drizzle 😕

Wuuffyy · August 5

You burst them by tickling them until they die. You didn’t know this?

Can’t wait to run sustain too on anything but a sorc and do 6/10 of the possible damage DK can do while also being capable of pumping out 27k whips on command with bonk/corro.

Looking forward to the no-PFP-having, same-message-repeating users to come out of the woodworks and reply to this one.

Wuuffyy · August 5

Keep in mind, this is what they think after their ‘nerf’ to DK (they also stealth-buffed Pyrebrand ofc):

Wuuffyy · August 5

Healthy gameplay as-follows:

(30k resists, major protection)

and my ‘really hard to play’ 2 bar ‘DK bomber’ (I use him to gank as well, because why not):

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/6P6gDubdxR

Wuuffyy · August 5

Oh snap, and as an added benefit, ‘all the werewolves in Cyrodiil compared to everyone else’ (count the werewolves; this is consistent anywhere I currently go in Cyro):

IncultaWolf · August 5

What burst? Highest gnash I've hit in pvp was like 7k total damage, meanwhile I'm getting hit by 10-23k whips in a battleground back to back. Werewolf has always been a sustained pressure play style.

CameraBeardThePirate · August 5

IncultaWolf wrote: »

What burst? Highest gnash I've hit in pvp was like 7k total damage, meanwhile I'm getting hit by 10-23k whips in a battleground back to back. Werewolf has always been a sustained pressure play style.

Remember when they said the reason Necro shipped without most of the necessary Major Buffs was because Necro was "the debuff class" despite (at the time) having fewer debuffs than most of the other classes?

Wuuffyy · August 5

IncultaWolf wrote: »

What burst? Highest gnash I've hit in pvp was like 7k total damage, meanwhile I'm getting hit by 10-23k whips in a battleground back to back. Werewolf has always been a sustained pressure play style.

The highest tooltip in the werewolf kit, the “burst bite” and its damage compared to surprise attack (as a simple comparison for scale)

(11,423 on Surprise Attack; 11,617 combined on bite above 25% health)

Last time I checked, outside of werewolf, no one classified a surprise attack, and 2 middling dots lasting random times (6 and 12 seconds) as ‘burst’ but here we are with ZeniMax Online Studios fully believing werewolves are ‘burst fighters’ and that ‘DK may underperform in PvP with a slight reduction in healing to one whip morph and that DK may need buffs elsewhere in PvP as a result’.

Wuuffyy · August 5

Thank you ZOS for totally and fully understanding the grasp of the combat system for PvP to make such sharp adjustments… but only to one thing.

(tagging since I apparently have no meaningful way of interacting with the combat team apparently as a person who actually cares about werewolf not underperforming again)

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

dark_hunterxmg · August 6

Panderbander wrote: »

Did I miss something about werewolf in this game? Do we have a new burst combo that isn't just pressure and outlast? According to the PTS patch notes, werewolves are "excellent burst fighters" now!

This has me intrigued.. @ZOS_KEVIN can you show us the Werewolf burst that is being referred to?

Celas_Dranacea · August 6

Is the werewolf burst in the room with us now? 😆😜😆

Wuuffyy · August 6

dark_hunterxmg wrote: »

Panderbander wrote: »

Did I miss something about werewolf in this game? Do we have a new burst combo that isn't just pressure and outlast? According to the PTS patch notes, werewolves are "excellent burst fighters" now!

This has me intrigued.. @ZOS_KEVIN can you show us the Werewolf burst that is being referred to?

They probably mean this:

Power Bite

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Erickson9610 · August 6

The transformation itself is not meant to be a burst. The intended way to play Werewolf, as reinforced by its passives and skills like Insatiable Hunger, is to be a sustained playstyle that you don't constantly swap between forms to play.

People deal less damage compared to a human form build when they transform with Werewolf Transformation. Who in their right mind would try to use this Ultimate as a burst? They could use any other Ultimate while still retaining all of their passives and abilities that don't carry over into Werewolf form.

AdonisJorge · August 6

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Healthy gameplay as-follows:

(30k resists, major protection)

and my ‘really hard to play’ 2 bar ‘DK bomber’ (I use him to gank as well, because why not):

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/6P6gDubdxR

If it is healthy for DKs then it is healthy for the game, just as it should be, Imho it needs even more buffs

Panderbander · August 6

AdonisJorge wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

Healthy gameplay as-follows:

(30k resists, major protection)

and my ‘really hard to play’ 2 bar ‘DK bomber’ (I use him to gank as well, because why not):

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/6P6gDubdxR

If it is healthy for DKs then it is healthy for the game, just as it should be, Imho it needs even more buffs

Yeah idk, it looks like that DK might be losing a bit of healing. Better buff CoF just to be sure they're still in a healthy spot.

Usureki · August 6

Sentences like this really deepens my feeling that the developers of this game have zero touch with its content.