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WW nerfs and Ele sus Nerfs both are major Ws! Thank you ZOS! Now nerf Core of Flame please!
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Just wanted to say the cost increases to WW abilities and elemental Susceptibility are fantastic changes I am really happy to see them! I just wanted to compliment the team on listening to feedback and giving nerfs that are just right and not too much and not too little. I think these two changes are MASSIVE steps in the right direction and I love to see it. Thank you ZOS!!!! THIS IS A ROCKIN' CHANGE!!!
I hope we can continue in this direction to make sustain a more important part in build crafting for all classes and not something that is just so free.
I think the next step is nerfing Core of Flame on DK as it is way too powerful of a sustain tool that also does crazy burst AOE dmg and healing for a class thats already S+ tier and has other fantastic sustain tools in their passives and class masteries just built in.
I hope we can continue in this direction to make sustain a more important part in build crafting for all classes and not something that is just so free.
I think the next step is nerfing Core of Flame on DK as it is way too powerful of a sustain tool that also does crazy burst AOE dmg and healing for a class thats already S+ tier and has other fantastic sustain tools in their passives and class masteries just built in.
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aLi3nZ✭✭✭✭Remove the heal from the flame lash and remove or nerf the damage mitigation from wings. See how it goes like that. Maybe nerf heart of flame if required after that.1
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XVestigeXx✭✭✭Remove the heal from the flame lash and remove or nerf the damage mitigation from wings. See how it goes like that. Maybe nerf heart of flame if required after that.Remove the heal from the flame lash and remove or nerf the damage mitigation from wings. See how it goes like that. Maybe nerf heart of flame if required after that.
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✭✭✭✭So WW is pushed further into being Sorc?Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
CatalinaWineMixer2✭✭✭✭Just like the original Dragonknight, here we go again. 11 years later. GH - "I died, everyone needs nerfed." Stop ruining our characters! PvP was going to be "fixed" if we did something about Warden Charm, it was going to be fixed if we did something about Shattered Path, it was going to be fixed if we do something about healers, it was going to be fixed if we gut the Sorcerer... on and on like a broken record.
Game breaking nerfs are destroying this game. And it needs to end. You want balance again, revert all combat to pre U46. Thats the problem. That's as close as you will ever get because Subclass has completely ruined combat and left us dependent upon years of refreshes. And it cannot and will not ever be balanced.
Alternatively, remove GH. At least the nerfs will stop. And then the rest of us will not wonder if we should keep waiting on our unrefreshed, inferior characters or whether or not we want to pretend that a small vocal minority will not ruin the rest of them for us.
If you're calling for nerfs, show us your build. Because it probably needs nerfed.11 -
aLi3nZ✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »So WW is pushed further into being Sorc?
Hey at least less of those annoying warden users with aries cry1 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »Just like the original Dragonknight, here we go again. 11 years later. GH - "I died, everyone needs nerfed." Stop ruining our characters! PvP was going to be "fixed" if we did something about Warden Charm, it was going to be fixed if we did something about Shattered Path, it was going to be fixed if we do something about healers, it was going to be fixed if we gut the Sorcerer... on and on like a broken record.
Game breaking nerfs are destroying this game. And it needs to end. You want balance again, revert all combat to pre U46. Thats the problem. That's as close as you will ever get because Subclass has completely ruined combat and left us dependent upon years of refreshes. And it cannot and will not ever be balanced.
Alternatively, remove GH. At least the nerfs will stop. And then the rest of us will not wonder if we should keep waiting on our unrefreshed, inferior characters or whether or not we want to pretend that a small vocal minority will not ruin the rest of them for us.
If you're calling for nerfs, show us your build. Because it probably needs nerfed.
In PvP I am using: 5 Histwhisper [light], 2 Chudan, 5 Bloodthorn.
Oh I forgot my biggest build component: 6-8 coldfire siege fired with almost 100% accuracy on the same person.0 -
XVestigeXx✭✭✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »Just like the original Dragonknight, here we go again. 11 years later. GH - "I died, everyone needs nerfed." Stop ruining our characters! PvP was going to be "fixed" if we did something about Warden Charm, it was going to be fixed if we did something about Shattered Path, it was going to be fixed if we do something about healers, it was going to be fixed if we gut the Sorcerer... on and on like a broken record.
Game breaking nerfs are destroying this game. And it needs to end. You want balance again, revert all combat to pre U46. Thats the problem. That's as close as you will ever get because Subclass has completely ruined combat and left us dependent upon years of refreshes. And it cannot and will not ever be balanced.
Alternatively, remove GH. At least the nerfs will stop. And then the rest of us will not wonder if we should keep waiting on our unrefreshed, inferior characters or whether or not we want to pretend that a small vocal minority will not ruin the rest of them for us.
If you're calling for nerfs, show us your build. Because it probably needs nerfed.
Sorry you feel that way, I think you're wrong, and I'll explain why, nut since reworks are so far out now I do think we should buff up other classes as opposed to just nerfing DK into the ground. That said, sustain is something they just don't have to think about because its so free in their kit with no give and take with anything else like dmg or tankyness.
And its not exactly like Zos can just remove subclassing now or even the refreshed DK.
But lets be honest here, WW was infinitely more annoying to fight than a dk because it was very similar to the WW meta from a few years ago when a WW could tank a whole group while delivering overwhelming pressure with no sustain issues whatsoever. 40k hp tank wws that pressure people down in seconds and are unable to be bursted have been ruining pvp for everyone. They are more disruptive and annoying than even DK because WW is easier to use. Its easier for average or mediocre pvpers to abuse WW and not die while having everything and killing everyone than it is for them to use DK. I welcome this change, it grounds them more and I think DK should get the same treatment. Power creep is a thing as well to keep in mind.
These were good changes, even if you don't think they are. WHy don't you try playing a templar, a nightblade, a necro, an arc, or a warden and go fight the WWs out in pvp without WW yourself and let us know your findings before the PTS hits the live servers? I think that would help your perspective a lot1 -
XVestigeXx✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »So WW is pushed further into being Sorc?
This is the same as a parent telling their kid to get their hand out of the cookie jar and the kid turning around and exclaiming "So you want me to starve?!"3 -
CatalinaWineMixer2✭✭✭✭XVestigeXx wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »Just like the original Dragonknight, here we go again. 11 years later. GH - "I died, everyone needs nerfed." Stop ruining our characters! PvP was going to be "fixed" if we did something about Warden Charm, it was going to be fixed if we did something about Shattered Path, it was going to be fixed if we do something about healers, it was going to be fixed if we gut the Sorcerer... on and on like a broken record.
Game breaking nerfs are destroying this game. And it needs to end. You want balance again, revert all combat to pre U46. Thats the problem. That's as close as you will ever get because Subclass has completely ruined combat and left us dependent upon years of refreshes. And it cannot and will not ever be balanced.
Alternatively, remove GH. At least the nerfs will stop. And then the rest of us will not wonder if we should keep waiting on our unrefreshed, inferior characters or whether or not we want to pretend that a small vocal minority will not ruin the rest of them for us.
If you're calling for nerfs, show us your build. Because it probably needs nerfed.
Sorry you feel that way, I think you're wrong, and I'll explain why, nut since reworks are so far out now I do think we should buff up other classes as opposed to just nerfing DK into the ground. That said, sustain is something they just don't have to think about because its so free in their kit with no give and take with anything else like dmg or tankyness.
And its not exactly like Zos can just remove subclassing now or even the refreshed DK.
But lets be honest here, WW was infinitely more annoying to fight than a dk because it was very similar to the WW meta from a few years ago when a WW could tank a whole group while delivering overwhelming pressure with no sustain issues whatsoever. 40k hp tank wws that pressure people down in seconds and are unable to be bursted have been ruining pvp for everyone. They are more disruptive and annoying than even DK because WW is easier to use. Its easier for average or mediocre pvpers to abuse WW and not die while having everything and killing everyone than it is for them to use DK. I welcome this change, it grounds them more and I think DK should get the same treatment. Power creep is a thing as well to keep in mind.
These were good changes, even if you don't think they are. WHy don't you try playing a templar, a nightblade, a necro, an arc, or a warden and go fight the WWs out in pvp without WW yourself and let us know your findings before the PTS hits the live servers? I think that would help your perspective a lot
I was already doing that with my Warden. Which was unfairly targeted for its Class Mastery and Bear. And then they wrongfully eliminated and nerfed even further Shattered Path. We were killing the DKs and WWs. They don't like anything that kills them. It doesn't matter what or who it is. All the nerfs in the world are not going to fix this overly catered to small and dwindling population and every time this happens, more golden gear gets thrown away and more people quit. They can remove Subclass tomorrow. They can't even get my Warden refreshed after over a year and all they've done is absolutely gut it as soon as there is any inclination it might actually be effective whatsoever. Changes like what you are suggesting will drive more people away from the game.
I welcome Vengeance now because it's the only way we will ever have fair PvP. 11 years of nerfs is not, has not and will not be the answer. You nerf the healing and people who only go in there as Healers will quit. You nerf the tanks and people who only go in there as tanks are going to quit. People who only go in there now as a Werewolf will quit over this. And so will DK mains. My main character is a Warden and it's been repeatedly targeted. I'm not going in there without it anymore. And that pretty much is what's happening with everyone not logging in around our Guilds now. No one is going to even consider 10 more years of this with newly reworked characters. People are getting punished for using their characters. See the problem.Edited by CatalinaWineMixer2 on August 5, 2026 12:16PM0 -
XVestigeXx✭✭✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »XVestigeXx wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »Just like the original Dragonknight, here we go again. 11 years later. GH - "I died, everyone needs nerfed." Stop ruining our characters! PvP was going to be "fixed" if we did something about Warden Charm, it was going to be fixed if we did something about Shattered Path, it was going to be fixed if we do something about healers, it was going to be fixed if we gut the Sorcerer... on and on like a broken record.
Game breaking nerfs are destroying this game. And it needs to end. You want balance again, revert all combat to pre U46. Thats the problem. That's as close as you will ever get because Subclass has completely ruined combat and left us dependent upon years of refreshes. And it cannot and will not ever be balanced.
Alternatively, remove GH. At least the nerfs will stop. And then the rest of us will not wonder if we should keep waiting on our unrefreshed, inferior characters or whether or not we want to pretend that a small vocal minority will not ruin the rest of them for us.
If you're calling for nerfs, show us your build. Because it probably needs nerfed.
Sorry you feel that way, I think you're wrong, and I'll explain why, nut since reworks are so far out now I do think we should buff up other classes as opposed to just nerfing DK into the ground. That said, sustain is something they just don't have to think about because its so free in their kit with no give and take with anything else like dmg or tankyness.
And its not exactly like Zos can just remove subclassing now or even the refreshed DK.
But lets be honest here, WW was infinitely more annoying to fight than a dk because it was very similar to the WW meta from a few years ago when a WW could tank a whole group while delivering overwhelming pressure with no sustain issues whatsoever. 40k hp tank wws that pressure people down in seconds and are unable to be bursted have been ruining pvp for everyone. They are more disruptive and annoying than even DK because WW is easier to use. Its easier for average or mediocre pvpers to abuse WW and not die while having everything and killing everyone than it is for them to use DK. I welcome this change, it grounds them more and I think DK should get the same treatment. Power creep is a thing as well to keep in mind.
These were good changes, even if you don't think they are. WHy don't you try playing a templar, a nightblade, a necro, an arc, or a warden and go fight the WWs out in pvp without WW yourself and let us know your findings before the PTS hits the live servers? I think that would help your perspective a lot
I was already doing that with my Warden. Which was unfairly targeted for its Class Mastery and Bear. And then they wrongfully eliminated and nerfed even further Shattered Path. We were killing the DKs and WWs. They don't like anything that kills them. It doesn't matter what or who it is. All the nerfs in the world are not going to fix this overly catered to small and dwindling population and every time this happens, more golden gear gets thrown away and more people quit. They can remove Subclass tomorrow. They can't even get my Warden refreshed after over a year and all they've done is absolutely gut it as soon as there is any inclination it might actually be effective whatsoever. Changes like what you are suggesting will drive more people away from the game.
I welcome Vengeance now because it's the only way we will ever have fair PvP. 11 years of nerfs is not, has not and will not be the answer. You nerf the healing and people who only go in there as Healers will quit. You nerf the tanks and people who only go in there as tanks are going to quit. People who only go in there now as a Werewolf will quit over this. And so will DK mains. My main character is a Warden and it's been repeatedly targeted. I'm not going in there without it anymore. And that pretty much is what's happening with everyone not logging in around our Guilds now. No one is going to even consider 10 more years of this with newly reworked characters. People are getting punished for using their characters. See the problem.
I think you are in the minority on this one chief. Def on the vengeance point especially. Also Shattered paths being removed gutted your build? So Warden isn't good without a mythic? Are you sure?0 -
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✭✭People can call for whatever needs they like but Zos already stated they’re not making drastic nerfs anymore until they’re done with their refreshes. The goal being to offset subclassing meta
You can tell in the wording here also, a possible buff to dk to offset the latest nerf to power whip if they feel it’s under performing. Which ngl I doubt this nerf will change much.
Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
Zos now: Do you want Vengeance permanent or permanent...0 -
AdonisJorge✭✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »People can call for whatever needs they like but Zos already stated they’re not making drastic nerfs anymore until they’re done with their refreshes. The goal being to offset subclassing meta
You can tell in the wording here also, a possible buff to dk to offset the latest nerf to power whip if they feel it’s under performing. Which ngl I doubt this nerf will change much.
You are absolutely right, WW nerfs for example where not drastic, was just increasing ability costs 2x or 3x of what they was, IMHO we need buff DK even more and i would like to add some suggestions:
I think we need buff DK, they are very underpowered right now.
COF needs to restore 50% max resources based on the missing resources (that include ultimate)
Corrosive needs to reduce all incoming damage to 3% and cost only 100 ultimate, also DK needs to be capable of generating ultimate while in corrosive and have its duration extended to 30 seconds
Whip needs to do Oblivion damage when full stacked
Wings needs to have their duration extended to 1 minute
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XVestigeXx✭✭✭AdonisJorge wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »People can call for whatever needs they like but Zos already stated they’re not making drastic nerfs anymore until they’re done with their refreshes. The goal being to offset subclassing meta
You can tell in the wording here also, a possible buff to dk to offset the latest nerf to power whip if they feel it’s under performing. Which ngl I doubt this nerf will change much.
You are absolutely right, WW nerfs for example where not drastic, was just increasing ability costs 2x or 3x of what they was, IMHO we need buff DK even more and i would like to add some suggestions:
I think we need buff DK, they are very underpowered right now.
COF needs to restore 50% max resources based on the missing resources (that include ultimate)
Corrosive needs to reduce all incoming damage to 3% and cost only 100 ultimate, also DK needs to be capable of generating ultimate while in corrosive and have its duration extended to 30 seconds
Whip needs to do Oblivion damage when full stacked
Wings needs to have their duration extended to 1 minute
I agree. You know I was thinking since they nerfed the healing of whip they should increase the dmg by that same 50% too to make it less of a hurtful nerf. I think it would only be fair on top of the changes you proposed1 -
XVestigeXx wrote: »Just wanted to say the cost increases to WW abilities and elemental Susceptibility are fantastic changes I am really happy to see them! I just wanted to compliment the team on listening to feedback and giving nerfs that are just right and not too much and not too little. I think these two changes are MASSIVE steps in the right direction and I love to see it. Thank you ZOS!!!! THIS IS A ROCKIN' CHANGE!!!
I hope we can continue in this direction to make sustain a more important part in build crafting for all classes and not something that is just so free.
I think the next step is nerfing Core of Flame on DK as it is way too powerful of a sustain tool that also does crazy burst AOE dmg and healing for a class thats already S+ tier and has other fantastic sustain tools in their passives and class masteries just built in.
Not even a Nerf, I tested on PTS and nothing changed for WW. Its easy to sustain.0 -
XVestigeXx✭✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »People can call for whatever needs they like but Zos already stated they’re not making drastic nerfs anymore until they’re done with their refreshes. The goal being to offset subclassing meta
You can tell in the wording here also, a possible buff to dk to offset the latest nerf to power whip if they feel it’s under performing. Which ngl I doubt this nerf will change much.
Well Zos needs to bend to the will of their customers before they enrage them all into leaving. WW nerfs were good. Now dk needs to be NERFED0 -
XVestigeXx✭✭✭DarwinStormChaser wrote: »XVestigeXx wrote: »Just wanted to say the cost increases to WW abilities and elemental Susceptibility are fantastic changes I am really happy to see them! I just wanted to compliment the team on listening to feedback and giving nerfs that are just right and not too much and not too little. I think these two changes are MASSIVE steps in the right direction and I love to see it. Thank you ZOS!!!! THIS IS A ROCKIN' CHANGE!!!
I hope we can continue in this direction to make sustain a more important part in build crafting for all classes and not something that is just so free.
I think the next step is nerfing Core of Flame on DK as it is way too powerful of a sustain tool that also does crazy burst AOE dmg and healing for a class thats already S+ tier and has other fantastic sustain tools in their passives and class masteries just built in.
Not even a Nerf, I tested on PTS and nothing changed for WW. Its easy to sustain.
then more nerfs please ZOS!0 -
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CatalinaWineMixer2✭✭✭✭XVestigeXx wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »People can call for whatever needs they like but Zos already stated they’re not making drastic nerfs anymore until they’re done with their refreshes. The goal being to offset subclassing meta
You can tell in the wording here also, a possible buff to dk to offset the latest nerf to power whip if they feel it’s under performing. Which ngl I doubt this nerf will change much.
Well Zos needs to bend to the will of their customers before they enrage them all into leaving. WW nerfs were good. Now dk needs to be NERFED
They can bend to the will of our Guilds too and not nerf the DK and WW but go a little further with the NB nerfs. If your NB has sustain issues that are not on par with the only 2 reworked classes, you don't ruin the reworked classes, you finish reworking the other ones. If you can't beat it in PvP, get better and stop having whatever is killing you ruined until you can.1 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »People can call for whatever needs they like but Zos already stated they’re not making drastic nerfs anymore until they’re done with their refreshes. The goal being to offset subclassing meta
You can tell in the wording here also, a possible buff to dk to offset the latest nerf to power whip if they feel it’s under performing. Which ngl I doubt this nerf will change much.
Literally just shows that the dev team currently in charge of changes have exceeded their depth.2 -
XVestigeXx✭✭✭CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »XVestigeXx wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »People can call for whatever needs they like but Zos already stated they’re not making drastic nerfs anymore until they’re done with their refreshes. The goal being to offset subclassing meta
You can tell in the wording here also, a possible buff to dk to offset the latest nerf to power whip if they feel it’s under performing. Which ngl I doubt this nerf will change much.
Well Zos needs to bend to the will of their customers before they enrage them all into leaving. WW nerfs were good. Now dk needs to be NERFED
They can bend to the will of our Guilds too and not nerf the DK and WW but go a little further with the NB nerfs. If your NB has sustain issues that are not on par with the only 2 reworked classes, you don't ruin the reworked classes, you finish reworking the other ones. If you can't beat it in PvP, get better and stop having whatever is killing you ruined until you can.
Nah Im just playing DK now and will contribute to the problem until you are all DK and then one of two things will happen: 1. Zos will realize the whole playerbase is switching to DK and do something about it. Or 2. they will do nothing and I will continue to lord over everyone else and have a great time winning nonstop. I was in pvp the other day on a level 24 dk and I was tanking groups of pvp vets on other classes by simply holding block and spamming heart of flame. I am going to enjoy abusing dk until the wheels come off. I don't even know why I tried another class, this is so much better and enjoyable. Imma start bombing groups w corrosive and whips now lol Power lash is like spec bow, if spec bow got 5 casts and was AOE LOL I have never had a easier time in PvP.
You know what lets buff DK actually, Zos, can we get some more buffs? Can we get unstoppable on inferno next? I don't want any sorcs or WWs CCing me out of block constantly.
Also something I realized is my sustain is so good on DK from all the sources that I dont need tri pots and can run armor pots instead. MYM bout to pop off for me lol!0 -
Luneca✭✭✭✭✭XVestigeXx wrote: »CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »XVestigeXx wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »People can call for whatever needs they like but Zos already stated they’re not making drastic nerfs anymore until they’re done with their refreshes. The goal being to offset subclassing meta
You can tell in the wording here also, a possible buff to dk to offset the latest nerf to power whip if they feel it’s under performing. Which ngl I doubt this nerf will change much.
Well Zos needs to bend to the will of their customers before they enrage them all into leaving. WW nerfs were good. Now dk needs to be NERFED
They can bend to the will of our Guilds too and not nerf the DK and WW but go a little further with the NB nerfs. If your NB has sustain issues that are not on par with the only 2 reworked classes, you don't ruin the reworked classes, you finish reworking the other ones. If you can't beat it in PvP, get better and stop having whatever is killing you ruined until you can.
Nah Im just playing DK now and will contribute to the problem until you are all DK and then one of two things will happen: 1. Zos will realize the whole playerbase is switching to DK and do something about it. Or 2. they will do nothing and I will continue to lord over everyone else and have a great time winning nonstop. I was in pvp the other day on a level 24 dk and I was tanking groups of pvp vets on other classes by simply holding block and spamming heart of flame. I am going to enjoy abusing dk until the wheels come off. I don't even know why I tried another class, this is so much better and enjoyable. Imma start bombing groups w corrosive and whips now lol Power lash is like spec bow, if spec bow got 5 casts and was AOE LOL I have never had a easier time in PvP.
You know what lets buff DK actually, Zos, can we get some more buffs? Can we get unstoppable on inferno next? I don't want any sorcs or WWs CCing me out of block constantly.
Also something I realized is my sustain is so good on DK from all the sources that I dont need tri pots and can run armor pots instead. MYM bout to pop off for me lol!
Coordinated multi-leap from stealth as a group is a more effective bomb tbh. And you can setup roles just like any other group. I'm surprised it hasn't taken over yet. Ah, but it probably will soon.1
