Remove the heal from the flame lash and remove or nerf the damage mitigation from wings. See how it goes like that. Maybe nerf heart of flame if required after that.

So WW is pushed further into being Sorc?

Personofsecrets wrote: »

So WW is pushed further into being Sorc?

Hey at least less of those annoying warden users with aries cry

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Just like the original Dragonknight, here we go again. 11 years later. GH - "I died, everyone needs nerfed." Stop ruining our characters! PvP was going to be "fixed" if we did something about Warden Charm, it was going to be fixed if we did something about Shattered Path, it was going to be fixed if we do something about healers, it was going to be fixed if we gut the Sorcerer... on and on like a broken record.

Game breaking nerfs are destroying this game. And it needs to end. You want balance again, revert all combat to pre U46. Thats the problem. That's as close as you will ever get because Subclass has completely ruined combat and left us dependent upon years of refreshes. And it cannot and will not ever be balanced.

Alternatively, remove GH. At least the nerfs will stop. And then the rest of us will not wonder if we should keep waiting on our unrefreshed, inferior characters or whether or not we want to pretend that a small vocal minority will not ruin the rest of them for us.

If you're calling for nerfs, show us your build. Because it probably needs nerfed.

Sorry you feel that way, I think you're wrong, and I'll explain why, nut since reworks are so far out now I do think we should buff up other classes as opposed to just nerfing DK into the ground. That said, sustain is something they just don't have to think about because its so free in their kit with no give and take with anything else like dmg or tankyness.

And its not exactly like Zos can just remove subclassing now or even the refreshed DK.

But lets be honest here, WW was infinitely more annoying to fight than a dk because it was very similar to the WW meta from a few years ago when a WW could tank a whole group while delivering overwhelming pressure with no sustain issues whatsoever. 40k hp tank wws that pressure people down in seconds and are unable to be bursted have been ruining pvp for everyone. They are more disruptive and annoying than even DK because WW is easier to use. Its easier for average or mediocre pvpers to abuse WW and not die while having everything and killing everyone than it is for them to use DK. I welcome this change, it grounds them more and I think DK should get the same treatment. Power creep is a thing as well to keep in mind.

These were good changes, even if you don't think they are. WHy don't you try playing a templar, a nightblade, a necro, an arc, or a warden and go fight the WWs out in pvp without WW yourself and let us know your findings before the PTS hits the live servers? I think that would help your perspective a lot

XVestigeXx wrote: »

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

Just like the original Dragonknight, here we go again. 11 years later. GH - "I died, everyone needs nerfed." Stop ruining our characters! PvP was going to be "fixed" if we did something about Warden Charm, it was going to be fixed if we did something about Shattered Path, it was going to be fixed if we do something about healers, it was going to be fixed if we gut the Sorcerer... on and on like a broken record.

Game breaking nerfs are destroying this game. And it needs to end. You want balance again, revert all combat to pre U46. Thats the problem. That's as close as you will ever get because Subclass has completely ruined combat and left us dependent upon years of refreshes. And it cannot and will not ever be balanced.

Alternatively, remove GH. At least the nerfs will stop. And then the rest of us will not wonder if we should keep waiting on our unrefreshed, inferior characters or whether or not we want to pretend that a small vocal minority will not ruin the rest of them for us.

If you're calling for nerfs, show us your build. Because it probably needs nerfed.

Sorry you feel that way, I think you're wrong, and I'll explain why, nut since reworks are so far out now I do think we should buff up other classes as opposed to just nerfing DK into the ground. That said, sustain is something they just don't have to think about because its so free in their kit with no give and take with anything else like dmg or tankyness.

And its not exactly like Zos can just remove subclassing now or even the refreshed DK.

But lets be honest here, WW was infinitely more annoying to fight than a dk because it was very similar to the WW meta from a few years ago when a WW could tank a whole group while delivering overwhelming pressure with no sustain issues whatsoever. 40k hp tank wws that pressure people down in seconds and are unable to be bursted have been ruining pvp for everyone. They are more disruptive and annoying than even DK because WW is easier to use. Its easier for average or mediocre pvpers to abuse WW and not die while having everything and killing everyone than it is for them to use DK. I welcome this change, it grounds them more and I think DK should get the same treatment. Power creep is a thing as well to keep in mind.

These were good changes, even if you don't think they are. WHy don't you try playing a templar, a nightblade, a necro, an arc, or a warden and go fight the WWs out in pvp without WW yourself and let us know your findings before the PTS hits the live servers? I think that would help your perspective a lot

I was already doing that with my Warden. Which was unfairly targeted for its Class Mastery and Bear. And then they wrongfully eliminated and nerfed even further Shattered Path. We were killing the DKs and WWs. They don't like anything that kills them. It doesn't matter what or who it is. All the nerfs in the world are not going to fix this overly catered to small and dwindling population and every time this happens, more golden gear gets thrown away and more people quit. They can remove Subclass tomorrow. They can't even get my Warden refreshed after over a year and all they've done is absolutely gut it as soon as there is any inclination it might actually be effective whatsoever. Changes like what you are suggesting will drive more people away from the game.

I welcome Vengeance now because it's the only way we will ever have fair PvP. 11 years of nerfs is not, has not and will not be the answer. You nerf the healing and people who only go in there as Healers will quit. You nerf the tanks and people who only go in there as tanks are going to quit. People who only go in there now as a Werewolf will quit over this. And so will DK mains. My main character is a Warden and it's been repeatedly targeted. I'm not going in there without it anymore. And that pretty much is what's happening with everyone not logging in around our Guilds now. No one is going to even consider 10 more years of this with newly reworked characters. People are getting punished for using their characters. See the problem.