To all the People that think this game is bad

Nickdorlandb16_ESO · May 2014

Let me start with this, im playing MMO's before WoW became live..
My most favorite where Pristontale ( started it all ), Cabal online, Aion Online, Tera Online..

Now if got some experience in MMO's and i know also what i like..
Im a korean diehard MMO fan as you can see, as i dont like the grindfest i do like the setup of most of those MMO's

Now i dont know how, or why you people find this game so bad ? The bugs ? They get fixed, its a new release sit your ass down and wait for fixes ( Which MMO release went well ? And dont come with WoW ) This MMO isnt even half as bad as most MMO's on release believe me

The content ?
The game is the biggest MMO if played, and yes i know WoW is big, but besides that what MMO is ? For an release MMO this game is HUGE !! And we get freaking new trails/pve zone already !!! ( Normally i got to wait 3 months after release to come to EU versions.. )

The PvP ?
The best system if ever seen besides Aion online ( In my experience )
You want to 1vs1 ? Go to places where its less zergy, Want big 200vs200 fights go to the zergs.. Also how to take forts is been done really well, and the scroll system also.. Worth fighting for for sure unlike other MMO's where PvP doesnt mean anything at all..

PvE Dungeons, The dungeons where really easy, i got to say this.. Finished most 1th time without wiping.. But getting the special sets give them a great replay value !!
Which healer doesnt want the cloth set 8% mana reduction and 8% healing ( Well me ! )

So, there are offcourse little things to whine about and i understand that people have different opinions about some things..

BUT SAYING THIS MMO IS *** ? Then you are really out of this world...
This game is worth playing, and in fact besides Wildstar prolly the only MMO worth playing for a long time..

( P.s stop comparing every MMO to WoW, its getting old... Like the game itself... rly old... move on )

Maverick827 · May 2014

I don't think the game is bad. I unerstand certain unforseen circumstances arise (bugs, bots) and I am typically willing to give developer's time to sort these things out. However, I have a lot of gripes with ZOS's design choices - things that they deliberately chose to do:

- The price of gold sinks being too high
- Increasing the level cap so soon and (presumably) so frequently
- The abandonment of the trinity for some even worse "binity," whereby healers and DPS are still required, but tanks are not
- The lack of alternative leveling paths (PvP, dungeons)
- Etc.

Again, I'm typically willing to give developers time to address these issues. The problem is that ZOS is not addressing anything. We have not heard a single word from the developers about design choices in almost three weeks (since the Reddit AMA).

Bugs and lag are, by and large, temporary issues. Design choices are not. They set the tone for the entire game. To not be able to discuss these topics with the people in charge of making them - to pick their brains and see if they're open to change - is just asinine.

m2super_ESO · May 2014

I love the game and am having a good time playing, that said everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

ZiRM · May 2014

Enjoy the game and adore the Elder Scrolls lore/universe since the first SP game but I don't enjoy the companies customer service or the way they communicate with their customers. Sure, bugs and stuff get fixed eventually but to release a game to retail before it's ready is regular business in today's gaming world.

It's the year 2014 and they couldn't even be bothered to put in armor dye, underwater exploration or preview mode for cosmetics let alone character barbers, class changer etc.

I'm a longtime MMO player but I can only hide my head in the sand for so long. Fangirl? I was but so many glaring problems and the lack of customer support is inexcusable.

Ohioastro · May 2014

Trivial omissions are not things that "they couldn't be bothered with". They're things that weren't worth the effort, and that will probably eventually be part of the game. Setting up arbitrary checklists and insisting that every single feature has to be part of a new game is a recipe for paralysis. I'm extremely glad that they're doing some thing differently - like, for example, no global auction house (which I love), and the way that your actions visibly impact the world that your character sees.

steveb16_ESO46 · May 2014

You don't get to tell people what their opinion is.

Crumpy · May 2014

Good topic edit

Laura · May 2014

NiRN wrote: »

It's the year 2014 and they couldn't even be bothered to put in armor dye, underwater exploration or preview mode for cosmetics let alone character barbers, class changer etc.

lol Most games I play still don't have armor dye and ultima online did from the start and everquest did near the start. I don't think a year has anything to do with that. I think good taste does. (making sure the right colors are in and they work well, IE, no hot pink or true black) Would you really want to see people in ES with hot pink armor running around? i don't. If the dye system isn't done VERY VERY well I will be out

class changer? like.. so you can change your class? That would be cool but I don't know about this one. I hardly see how this has anything to do with 2014 - more of a design thing.

Underwater exploration I agree with 100% except that this also seems to have nothing to do with a year. Seems newer games are omitting this more and more. Hell FFXIV wont even let you swim ON TOP of water. But this is ES it should have been there. Still = / = year

Preview mode sure but that's not a make or break thing. This is the only thing I think you could have put a year on.

rawne1980b16_ESO · May 2014

As the old saying goes ... opinions are like *human waste removal* holes (i'll keep it clean) ... everyone has one.

What you love, others may not.

Personally, it's not a bad game .... nor is it a great game. It's good, but it still has a long way to go.

It's not one i'll stick with on a long term basis, it's missing far too much for an Elder Scrolls game. I want Dark Brotherhood, Thieves, crime and housing.

I have no interest in Craglorn at all.

But on the PvP side of things, it's a pale shadow of DAoC which is where quite a few of us here first fell in love with RvR. Not saying it's bad and maybe it's me having a different outlook on games now but that feeling of being on the lakes in DAoC .... I don't get it here.

silent88b14_ESO · May 2014

It isn't the game that is to fault, it is the power leveling, farming, spamming bots that are the worst. That and all the gateway quests that suddenly ramp up the difficulty from easy to very difficult and stop me dead in my tracks until I can over-level them. I mean, these are also good in a way because they push me to try and improve my combat out of the comfortable rut the rest of my game can get by with, but the frustration I feel until I manage to overcome the gateway bosses is uncomfortable.

Crumpy · May 2014

It's an unfinished, unpolished mess. A very expensive mess too. I shudder when I think of the cash I spent on this.

Amfijakerwb17_ESO · May 2014

Most people complaining on the forums dont think the game is bad. Most people are frustrated with a game they enjoy that could be so much more.

Getorix · May 2014

I don't think the game is bad, i think it was released 6 months too early. And yes i know all mmos are released too early but this one was released before they even had many of the mechanics figured out. For example the whole vet level thing feels very last minute and not thought out very well.

Also most mmos get released too early then they start to fix and patch the bugs but ESO devs have a lot more to worry about. I cant remember an mmo having to deal with the bot problems this game has, bots hacking the game flying all over the place at supersonic speeds, farming mats underground. The fact that the bots are able to do all of this and zennimax seems powerless to stop them tells me theres some really serious problems with this game beyond the unfinished content , bugged quests and abilities.

Salsadoom · May 2014

Really the problem are what people are wanting to see. (I know that sounds overly simple)

You have the WoW crowd who want to leave WoW and find something new but they are really used to WoW and want to see WoW attributes (I am not sure if all of them actually played WoW when it came out so I don't know if they know how bad it was)

You have the ES crowd who want things to be as close to ES as possible

You have people from other MMO games who want to know why it is missing this feature or that

You have people from non MMO games who don't seem to understand that SP doesn't always translate into MMOs

Then you have all the other subgroups therein.

The game isn't bad, it's quite good actually. Is it finished? No. Perfect? No. It's also just out of the gate and trying the impossible task of appealing to the above while still trying to keep some uniqueness. Most games lack things when they come out, and ESO is no different, the big obstacle right now is maintaining the balance from the group above.

Will everyone be happy? No. But I think they can strike the right balance though it might take a couple of big releases.

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO · May 2014

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

stop comparing...

That's hard to do. Comparison underlies all things in life. Readers compare words to words, and books to all the other books which they have read. Games demand a particular comparative effort — for example, games which contain parallel methodology.

Why does one MMORPG fail while another succeeds? Can their failure and success be understood on the same terms? How does a game's use of meta-design compare to another? How relevant is Lord of the Rings influence on Dungeons and Dragons, and World of Warcraft's on Elder Scrolls? Does Elder Scrolls being bot infested make this a worthwhile comparative study? And what does the ‘no' in ‘no economy’ actually mean?

Criticism is combined with metacriticism, to explore how games and critics compare.

zaria · May 2014

Ohioastro wrote: »

Trivial omissions are not things that "they couldn't be bothered with". They're things that weren't worth the effort, and that will probably eventually be part of the game. Setting up arbitrary checklists and insisting that every single feature has to be part of a new game is a recipe for paralysis. I'm extremely glad that they're doing some thing differently - like, for example, no global auction house (which I love), and the way that your actions visibly impact the world that your character sees.

This, WOW don't have armor dye, they did not had the feature to change one item look into another until just before MoP.
It was a feature they took from other games.

Previews is more annoying, and a obvious and easy feature.

zaria · May 2014

Crumpy wrote: »

It's an unfinished, unpolished mess. A very expensive mess too. I shudder when I think of the cash I spent on this.

You bought the game and 1 month subscription still cheaper than two standard games many you are done with in a week.

Amfijakerwb17_ESO wrote: »

Most people complaining on the forums dont think the game is bad. Most people are frustrated with a game they enjoy that could be so much more.

This, I guess people still complain about magic in the Skyrim forum.
Good games who has bad or missing features.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO · May 2014

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

You don't get to tell people what their opinion is.

Its simple, its not true.. No matter what their opinion is, this game is good and not bad.. Cant denie facts

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO wrote: »

Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »

stop comparing...

That's hard to do. Comparison underlies all things in life. Readers compare words to words, and books to all the other books which they have read. Games demand a particular comparative effort — for example, games which contain parallel methodology.

Why does one MMORPG fail while another succeeds? Can their failure and success be understood on the same terms? How does a game's use of meta-design compare to another? How relevant is Lord of the Rings influence on Dungeons and Dragons, and World of Warcraft's on Elder Scrolls? Does Elder Scrolls being bot infested make this a worthwhile comparative study? And what does the ‘no' in ‘no economy’ actually mean?

Criticism is combined with metacriticism, to explore how games and critics compare.

Yes critic is fair, and the game is not perfect.. But i see everywhere little whine treaths.. About stuff that most of the time doesnt make sense, or common sense to get a fix for it..

Also there quite some bad reviews out there, and its prolly because there are 2 kinds of playing this game.. Skyrim people and MMO people.. Skyrim people expect Skyrim, well.. MMO People find this prolly the best game ever And a lot of Skyrim ( offline ES games ) dont

Crumpy · May 2014

Why do people that have complaints with ESO get continuously accused of being 'WoW-wanters'? In most cases that's not even a valid riposte.

jokemabry · May 2014

the game leaves a bad taste in your mouth call your self a mmo player then this game should leave you with more questions as to why its such a cluster ***. the fact is it's mundane at best and boring. The start zones truely bring back my desire to cut myself with how bad they were put together. there is nothing at all that excites the player to want to push out of those cities also the limitations of characters and races is a joke we bought the full version of the game and yet we are restricted.

jokemabry · May 2014

Crumpy wrote: »

Why do people that have complaints with ESO get continuously accused of being 'WoW-wanters'? In most cases that's not even a valid riposte.

your brain dead wow died years ago its a giant titanic if anything they have higher standards from playing a game that set the bar.

Ohioastro · May 2014

If you look at the complaints they're all over the map, pulling the game in radically different directions. A lot of the complaints are flatly ill-informed, either about the practicality of what they're asking for or about the consequences of implementation (in other words, they'd be destroying something else important in the game, whether they know it or not.)

Many are just demands to make the game the same as others or to shape it into something completely different than what it is. That's where the "you want WoW" critique comes in: if someone lists a series of changes that come from another game, it is fair to note that this is what they're doing.

silent88b14_ESO · May 2014

Part of the problem I think is that the developers expected folks to want their game to be fun and interesting, but didn't expect or provide sufficiently for those who treat it as either a business environment or a sabotage opportunity. Possibly naive, but more likely regular folks preferring to think well of other people. A genesis of cynicism.

Blackhorne · May 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

The problem is that ZOS is not addressing anything.

Hadria · May 2014

Crumpy wrote: »

Why do people that have complaints with ESO get continuously accused of being 'WoW-wanters'? In most cases that's not even a valid riposte.

Most of the time they're crying about stuff that's not in eso that was in wow or the other mmos they can't accept the fact that eso is different so they're trying really to turn it.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO · May 2014

Crumpy wrote: »

Why do people that have complaints with ESO get continuously accused of being 'WoW-wanters'? In most cases that's not even a valid riposte.

So *** true, never played WoW and as a outsider i find this so lame.. WoW is also a copy of other MMO's and never was the 1th..

Jim_McMasterub17_ESO · May 2014

Crumpy wrote: »

It's an unfinished, unpolished mess. A very expensive mess too. I shudder when I think of the cash I spent on this.

+1 agree

RianaTheBosmer · May 2014

jokemabry wrote: »

the game leaves a bad taste in your mouth call your self a mmo player then this game should leave you with more questions as to why its such a cluster ***. the fact is it's mundane at best and boring. The start zones truely bring back my desire to cut myself with how bad they were put together. .

Then it's best you leave. I love the game and the starter zones. I don't find them boring or mundane. And I will quote and fix it...

"there is nothing at all that excites ME to want to push out of those cities also the limitations of characters and races THAT I PERCEIVE is a joke I bought the full version of the game and yet I FEEL THAT I AM restricted"

There, except where you left off proper punctuation and I didn't fix it, your post is fixed.

Sagranax · May 2014

I unsubbed today. Forum posts don't hurt the grey suits, my and your wallet do.
This whole gaming business needs a kick in the butt. To much money being earned by people who've been living off selling unfinished products for way to long.

Funny thing is that most of the fanboys seem to take it for granted. They don't give a crap as long as there's lube around.

lavendercat · May 2014

im absolutely loving the game. its actually the best game ive ever played, and that includes "elite" on the bbc model B !! :P

obviously everyone has their own reasons for complaining, but i just find it really wierd to read so many bad reviews. some people seem to want the world on a stick. !!

anyway what i really want is to read about other people's (positive) experiences in the game, not why its terrible because there is no armour dye. (lol)

Maverick827 · May 2014

Blackhorne wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

The problem is that ZOS is not addressing anything.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/64066/patch-notes-v1-0-1#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/71736/patch-notes-v1-0-2#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/78407/patch-notes-v1-0-3#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/81292/patch-notes-v1-0-4#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/84259/patch-notes-v1-0-5#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/89332/patch-notes-v1-0-6#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/91966/patch-notes-v1-0-7#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/95370/patch-notes-v1-0-8#latest

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/tracker

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/category/development

The problem is that you haven't been paying attention

You clearly didn't pay attention to my post.

Throwing patch notes out isn't communication, and it doesn't address issues when they need to be addressed: as they are being discussed by the community.

I'm not going to appload ZOS for meeting the bare minimum of minor patch notes every week.