Warden not mentioned on Update 51 Stream?

Seraphayel · July 8

LunaFlora wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

MSattrtand wrote: »

Well, Warden refresh hasn't been mentioned on the roadmap. It shoulda be mentioned in the U51 part if it's coming on its launch. Definitely delayed. Now we can only speculate if it's coming in some incremental (extremely unlikely), U52 (the most probable) or even later

This isn’t a roadmap, this is just an overview for Season One.

The roadmap was looking like this:

And as far as I know in one of the last streams they said Warden rework isn’t dated for U51 launch but for September, but U51 has been delayed for 3 weeks so Warden update could come in October instead.

the Dragonknight and Werewolf refreshes released when their updates released, why would Warden not release on September 21 if it is in update 51?
it is not an event, store item, or new story.

i hope ZOS soon makes it clear whether Warden refresh is in update 51 or 52, but it should be in a Season roadmap.

I just checked this very same overview from Season Zero and Werewolf / DK refresh were mentioned there. So it missing her might indicate a delay.

But: someone said in one of the last live streams it was mentioned that the Warden rework would not come with U51, but some weeks later (September). I didn’t watch the livestream, I just repeat what someone else wrote here.

Mattymoo92 · July 8

LunaFlora wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

MSattrtand wrote: »

Well, Warden refresh hasn't been mentioned on the roadmap. It shoulda be mentioned in the U51 part if it's coming on its launch. Definitely delayed. Now we can only speculate if it's coming in some incremental (extremely unlikely), U52 (the most probable) or even later

This isn’t a roadmap, this is just an overview for Season One.

The roadmap was looking like this:

And as far as I know in one of the last streams they said Warden rework isn’t dated for U51 launch but for September, but U51 has been delayed for 3 weeks so Warden update could come in October instead.

the Dragonknight and Werewolf refreshes released when their updates released, why would Warden not release on September 21 if it is in update 51?
it is not an event, store item, or new story.

i hope ZOS soon makes it clear whether Warden refresh is in update 51 or 52, but it should be in a Season roadmap.

Last time I checked the layoffs happened after DK and WW and before Warden. The VFX team almost all got fired, same with QA… maybe these were the last things to be done

it wasn’t in the video either even though WW was last time

Eldovar · July 8

New date for update 51 in the roadmap: september 21

Also warden rework is not in it. So every rework will probably take a while longer now

LunaFlora · July 8

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

No class refreshes ever happening again just level a DK I guess.

they are still happening

Seraphayel wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

MSattrtand wrote: »

Well, Warden refresh hasn't been mentioned on the roadmap. It shoulda be mentioned in the U51 part if it's coming on its launch. Definitely delayed. Now we can only speculate if it's coming in some incremental (extremely unlikely), U52 (the most probable) or even later

This isn’t a roadmap, this is just an overview for Season One.

The roadmap was looking like this:

And as far as I know in one of the last streams they said Warden rework isn’t dated for U51 launch but for September, but U51 has been delayed for 3 weeks so Warden update could come in October instead.

the Dragonknight and Werewolf refreshes released when their updates released, why would Warden not release on September 21 if it is in update 51?
it is not an event, store item, or new story.

i hope ZOS soon makes it clear whether Warden refresh is in update 51 or 52, but it should be in a Season roadmap.

I just checked this very same overview from Season Zero and Werewolf / DK refresh were mentioned there. So it missing her might indicate a delay.

But: someone said in one of the last live streams it was mentioned that the Warden rework would not come with U51, but some weeks later (September). I didn’t watch the livestream, I just repeat what someone else wrote here.

no, the livestream specifically did not mention Warden which is why this thread exists.

ZOS referenced Warden refresh being part of the u51 delay, referenced people's chat messages, but now with the Season roadmap it is unclear if it is still in u51.

tomofhyrule · July 8

Seraphayel wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

MSattrtand wrote: »

Well, Warden refresh hasn't been mentioned on the roadmap. It shoulda be mentioned in the U51 part if it's coming on its launch. Definitely delayed. Now we can only speculate if it's coming in some incremental (extremely unlikely), U52 (the most probable) or even later

This isn’t a roadmap, this is just an overview for Season One.

The roadmap was looking like this:

And as far as I know in one of the last streams they said Warden rework isn’t dated for U51 launch but for September, but U51 has been delayed for 3 weeks so Warden update could come in October instead.

the Dragonknight and Werewolf refreshes released when their updates released, why would Warden not release on September 21 if it is in update 51?
it is not an event, store item, or new story.

i hope ZOS soon makes it clear whether Warden refresh is in update 51 or 52, but it should be in a Season roadmap.

I just checked this very same overview from Season Zero and Werewolf / DK refresh were mentioned there. So it missing her might indicate a delay.

But: someone said in one of the last live streams it was mentioned that the Warden rework would not come with U51, but some weeks later (September). I didn’t watch the livestream, I just repeat what someone else wrote here.

Nobody said it would not release in U51. U51 is releasing in September instead of August 31st. U51 and everything in it was delayed three weeks.

Warden is a complete unknown. There has not been a single peep about it from anyone, and it is very conspicuous in its absence - insofar as they were obviously not even allowed to say the word "Warden." If it was going to release on schedule (in U51), that would have needed to make it to PTS when U51 went on PTS... but that release was delayed by three weeks from July 6 to July 27. However, it is logical that if it was going to be releasing on PTS in three weeks from now that the team would have had literally anything to share by now, considering that we have seen previews of every other thing planned for U51 and even some for U52 by now.

However, the Combat Team must have missed the memo that they were supposed to improve communication and be more transparent.

The only official confirmation we have is "Warden is the next rework." Nothing else. But even if it were releasing with U51 as planned, that was delayed three weeks for an unspecified reason. And the levels of secrecy around it (and the transparency of everything else) make it seem like something is wrong.

Seraphayel · July 8

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

MSattrtand wrote: »

Well, Warden refresh hasn't been mentioned on the roadmap. It shoulda be mentioned in the U51 part if it's coming on its launch. Definitely delayed. Now we can only speculate if it's coming in some incremental (extremely unlikely), U52 (the most probable) or even later

This isn’t a roadmap, this is just an overview for Season One.

The roadmap was looking like this:

And as far as I know in one of the last streams they said Warden rework isn’t dated for U51 launch but for September, but U51 has been delayed for 3 weeks so Warden update could come in October instead.

the Dragonknight and Werewolf refreshes released when their updates released, why would Warden not release on September 21 if it is in update 51?
it is not an event, store item, or new story.

i hope ZOS soon makes it clear whether Warden refresh is in update 51 or 52, but it should be in a Season roadmap.

I just checked this very same overview from Season Zero and Werewolf / DK refresh were mentioned there. So it missing her might indicate a delay.

But: someone said in one of the last live streams it was mentioned that the Warden rework would not come with U51, but some weeks later (September). I didn’t watch the livestream, I just repeat what someone else wrote here.

Nobody said it would not release in U51. U51 is releasing in September instead of August 31st. U51 and everything in it was delayed three weeks.

Warden is a complete unknown. There has not been a single peep about it from anyone, and it is very conspicuous in its absence - insofar as they were obviously not even allowed to say the word "Warden." If it was going to release on schedule (in U51), that would have needed to make it to PTS when U51 went on PTS... but that release was delayed by three weeks from July 6 to July 27. However, it is logical that if it was going to be releasing on PTS in three weeks from now that the team would have had literally anything to share by now, considering that we have seen previews of every other thing planned for U51 and even some for U52 by now.

However, the Combat Team must have missed the memo that they were supposed to improve communication and be more transparent.

The only official confirmation we have is "Warden is the next rework." Nothing else. But even if it were releasing with U51 as planned, that was delayed three weeks for an unspecified reason. And the levels of secrecy around it (and the transparency of everything else) make it seem like something is wrong.

The PTS for U51 hasn’t been online yet so I don’t get your argument. All of U51 was delayed, not just the Warden update (that might be part of it or not).

Somehow you always seem to indicate that U51 PTS is live but without the Warden rework when in fact the PTS hasn’t even started yet.

If the Warden rework is not part of the delayed PTS, we can say it (=Warden rework) was delayed. Until that point not the Warden update was delayed, but the entire PTS U51 was.

Radiate77 · July 8

If Warden ends up not being a part of Update 51, we are going to need some serious balance changes involving PvP, and no… “just play Vengeance” is not an answer.

I play Battlegrounds.
I live in Battlegrounds.

For the last half of a year it has been miserable. We have been in the most narrow meta I have ever seen, and it is so unenjoyable that I’ve been forcing myself to queue back up… into what was my favorite activity.

I don’t want to nerf Dragonknight & Werewolf, but I refuse to deal with them exclusively for another 3 months…

Arunei · July 8

Estin wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

We haven't heard anything about the reworks all being delayed. We only know Warden will potentially be delayed some depending on when they intended to release it during U51, and that U51 itself will be delayed initially because of it going to the PTS a few weeks late. But again, we don't know when exactly Warden was going to drop, so we don't know if U51 being a bit late will actually make Warden late.

We also have no idea if anyone that was laid off was actively working on the reworks or not, at least not as far as I'm aware. I don't think it was ever stated who's at the head of that whole endeavor. It's possible that some of them were, looking at the titles of those who we know of at the moment, but for now I think the best course of action is to wait until we see the information Kevin mentioned and the updated roadmap Jessica mentioned.

Cambria Blaize is the Owner/Lead of the Combat Refresh, though her title is Lead FX Artist. You then have Brian Wheeler and Alec Verish. Brian's the combat director and Alec is the senior combat designer. Alec has been on all streams that had anything to do with the refreshes. But also several animators and sound designers, as well as other VFX artists had layoffs, so the team behind the refresh may have lost some members.

But with the new roadmap, it looks like the Warden refresh isn't coming in U51 which is a bummer. We're going to have to go another patch with DKs and WW owning the field in PvP, but hopefully there can be some good adjustments to the class masteries to close the gap in the meantime.

Ah, thanks for the info, I wasn't aware we knew like who the lead lead of it was. I probably could have looked it up, heh.

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That said, that graphic isn't a roadmap, guys. Please keep in mind Jessica told us they'll let us know the revised schedule and Kevin has said it'll be a bit before we get that update.

Also, I'm looking at the original roadmap we got. DK's rework is positioned in front of the Season 0 portion and WW on the other side. Warden's is on the right for Season 1 and Sorc, again, in front on the left for Season 2. DK came at the start of S0, WW near the end. If where the mentions of the rework indicate like I'm thinking they do when the reworks are coming, then Warden looks like it maybe isn't (or wasn't, I suppose, depending on how the layoffs affect things) meant to hit Live until sometime around late Oct or early Nov. That could explain why we haven't seen anything for it yet?

tomofhyrule · July 8

Seraphayel wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

MSattrtand wrote: »

Well, Warden refresh hasn't been mentioned on the roadmap. It shoulda be mentioned in the U51 part if it's coming on its launch. Definitely delayed. Now we can only speculate if it's coming in some incremental (extremely unlikely), U52 (the most probable) or even later

This isn’t a roadmap, this is just an overview for Season One.

The roadmap was looking like this:

And as far as I know in one of the last streams they said Warden rework isn’t dated for U51 launch but for September, but U51 has been delayed for 3 weeks so Warden update could come in October instead.

the Dragonknight and Werewolf refreshes released when their updates released, why would Warden not release on September 21 if it is in update 51?
it is not an event, store item, or new story.

i hope ZOS soon makes it clear whether Warden refresh is in update 51 or 52, but it should be in a Season roadmap.

I just checked this very same overview from Season Zero and Werewolf / DK refresh were mentioned there. So it missing her might indicate a delay.

But: someone said in one of the last live streams it was mentioned that the Warden rework would not come with U51, but some weeks later (September). I didn’t watch the livestream, I just repeat what someone else wrote here.

Nobody said it would not release in U51. U51 is releasing in September instead of August 31st. U51 and everything in it was delayed three weeks.

Warden is a complete unknown. There has not been a single peep about it from anyone, and it is very conspicuous in its absence - insofar as they were obviously not even allowed to say the word "Warden." If it was going to release on schedule (in U51), that would have needed to make it to PTS when U51 went on PTS... but that release was delayed by three weeks from July 6 to July 27. However, it is logical that if it was going to be releasing on PTS in three weeks from now that the team would have had literally anything to share by now, considering that we have seen previews of every other thing planned for U51 and even some for U52 by now.

However, the Combat Team must have missed the memo that they were supposed to improve communication and be more transparent.

The only official confirmation we have is "Warden is the next rework." Nothing else. But even if it were releasing with U51 as planned, that was delayed three weeks for an unspecified reason. And the levels of secrecy around it (and the transparency of everything else) make it seem like something is wrong.

The PTS for U51 hasn’t been online yet so I don’t get your argument. All of U51 was delayed, not just the Warden update (that might be part of it or not).

Somehow you always seem to indicate that U51 PTS is live but without the Warden rework when in fact the PTS hasn’t even started yet.

If the Warden rework is not part of the delayed PTS, we can say it (=Warden rework) was delayed. Until that point not the Warden update was delayed, but the entire PTS U51 was.

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Please point out where I said U51 was on PTS. That is not what I said. It is not on PTS... because. It. Was. Delayed.

Ok, let me break this down bit by bit:

The PTS for U51 was supposed to come out on July 6. That was the original date we were given in the livestream on May 20. Also, the release of U51 on Live was confirmed as August 31.
On June 22 during the livestream, it was announced that U51's PTS would be delayed until July 21. No reason was given, but Jess did mention that "that is relevant to what you're all asking about in chat right now" while people were spamming "Warden?" in chat (see timestamp 1:30:00). Awkwardly, the word "Warden" was not mentioned at all.
In the May livestream, we heard about the dev updates on other U51 features: the High Seas event and the Crimson Veldt trial. In the June livestream, we also got the upcoming U51 QoL and Nowhere Vault information and even some look into the solo dungeons that wouldn't even come until U52.
By then, everything major from U51 has been mentioned in a stream or preview except Warden. We had even gotten news of U52 features before a single pixel of Warden had been seen. Why?
The implication from this thread is that the delay of the PTS start date would also delay the Live date for U51.
It has been confirmed by today's news article that U51 on Live will delay three weeks from the original plan and will now release on September 21.
This means that, quite literally, everything in U51 has been delayed by three weeks from the original plan.
Today's news article also does not mention "Warden" in any way. Granted, it's just about the Season One content, but the DK rework was actually part of the Season Zero features.

Questions that have not been answered:

Is Warden still in U51 (so delayed three weeks from the original date) or is it moved back to a later update (so delayed longer than three weeks from the original date)? Either way, Warden (and everything in U51) is delayed by a minimum of three weeks.
Is Warden going to have the same three skill lines?
How are the Warden skills changing? We know from the December article that the idea is for all Classes to have skills for all roles in all lines rather than stacking one line per role like Warden currently has. This means they will have to add damage skills and passives to Winter's and Green Balance, and support to Animals (assuming the lines are the same...). But what will that look like?

SkaiFaith · July 8

I understand the sentiment here is "we'd just like to know, anything, really" but I want to say that, in light of recent events, as a Warden main I'd very much prefer they take their time to do the rework right than if they'd push for a rework "half-baked"...

ItsNotLiving · July 9

SkaiFaith wrote: »

I understand the sentiment here is "we'd just like to know, anything, really" but I want to say that, in light of recent events, as a Warden main I'd very much prefer they take their time to do the rework right than if they'd push for a rework "half-baked"...

I’d take a half baked buggy mess over being forced to play werewolf or DK for another 3 months