sounds funny

I'd much rather see a Werewolf Grimoire so we get to pick from more than just 5 skills while transformed. Give us a Scribing ability for Vampires, too.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Can we just collect all of the "I HATE SEEING WEREWOLVES IN PvP!" threads together? Is it necessary to have so many?

Like we had all of the "I HATE DKs" threads from last patch, and I have a sneaking suspicion that we're going to get an influx of "I HATE WARDENS" threads coming sometime after U51 drops (assuming the Combat team is on schedule, which they don't seem to be).

Let's just make a sticky: "THE POST REFRESH THINGS ARE OP" and then we can just keep adding to that.

That's actually a genius idea! It'd be like the Overland Difficulty megathread which contained all of the constant debating on Challenge Difficulty. Some megathread that can contain feedback for all reworked skill lines would save a lot of space on the forums.


To give a direct response to the suggestion in the OP, I don't think this idea is as useful as it may originally seem. It's like slotting a Detect skill to drag Nightblades out of invisibility — who wants to waste bar space on that just to counter a single playstyle?

Further, I think there's an issue with the theme of this proposed skill. I mean, throwing bones to distract werewolves? Really? Werewolves are not so easily distracted. They're not dogs.

Finally, I have an issue with the Charm mechanic in general. It's bad enough that it forcefully moves your character rather than stunning them in place, but now you're asking for a specialized charm that can only apply to werewolves that presumably can be thrown wherever you want it to go? That's just going to result in people leading werewolves of all three factions off of the bridges, walls, or even into collision.

And that's not even considering the fact that this skill has to be useful in PvE as well. Unless this isn't a Scribed skill, but rather a PvP-only skill, which we have only seen from Vengeance.

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Can we just collect all of the "I HATE SEEING WEREWOLVES IN PvP!" threads together? Is it necessary to have so many?

Like we had all of the "I HATE DKs" threads from last patch, and I have a sneaking suspicion that we're going to get an influx of "I HATE WARDENS" threads coming sometime after U51 drops (assuming the Combat team is on schedule, which they don't seem to be).

Let's just make a sticky: "THE POST REFRESH THINGS ARE OP" and then we can just keep adding to that.

I've been saying it since I think the last PTS cycle that people are going to be screaming that Warden is too OP once it gets its rework. Honestly, even when we get to Arcanist being the last one that needs reworking, we'll probably have people still complaining that "the other Classes are all too OP".

Sometimes things ARE too OP and need a nerf, like Signet. But people put on their Disingenuous Hats when it comes to reworked things being too OP compared to unworked ones. People act like these refreshes should somehow be done in the span of a few weeks or maybe a month at most. People say they should have done all of them and then released them all at the same time. But people ignore the fact that the reworks are being done alongside all the other updates or additions, like the Nowhere Vault, new questlines, the Rumors/Favors system, and literally everything else that ISN'T the reworks.

People can't realistically expect reworking Classes from the ground up to get done in a couple of weeks simply because the nature of redoing all that code, too, not even considering all the other things being worked on at the same time. And if ZOS decided to do all the reworks but not release any of them until they were all done, there would be droves of people complaining about how "if it's ready it should be added to the game, why are you making us wait for things that can be released right now". Even if they were doing three Classes at a time, it'd be much the same as it is now; people complaining that the reworked stuff is too strong compared to non-refreshed Classes, about how X Class should actually have gotten reworked first because it's objectively the worst one, about how long it's going to take for the other Classes to get their reworks.

Yes, DK and WW are going to be stronger than things that haven't been reworked yet. Warden will be OP compared to things that haven't been reworked yet. But obviously things that have been overhauled entirely to be more inline with Subclassing will be stronger than things that haven't. You cannot realistically expect something to be better after a rework yet somehow still be on the same level as things that haven't.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Can we just collect all of the "I HATE SEEING WEREWOLVES IN PvP!" threads together? Is it necessary to have so many?

Like we had all of the "I HATE DKs" threads from last patch, and I have a sneaking suspicion that we're going to get an influx of "I HATE WARDENS" threads coming sometime after U51 drops (assuming the Combat team is on schedule, which they don't seem to be).

Let's just make a sticky: "THE POST REFRESH THINGS ARE OP" and then we can just keep adding to that.

That's actually a genius idea! It'd be like the Overland Difficulty megathread which contained all of the constant debating on Challenge Difficulty. Some megathread that can contain feedback for all reworked skill lines would save a lot of space on the forums.


To give a direct response to the suggestion in the OP, I don't think this idea is as useful as it may originally seem. It's like slotting a Detect skill to drag Nightblades out of invisibility — who wants to waste bar space on that just to counter a single playstyle?

Further, I think there's an issue with the theme of this proposed skill. I mean, throwing bones to distract werewolves? Really? Werewolves are not so easily distracted. They're not dogs.

Finally, I have an issue with the Charm mechanic in general. It's bad enough that it forcefully moves your character rather than stunning them in place, but now you're asking for a specialized charm that can only apply to werewolves that presumably can be thrown wherever you want it to go? That's just going to result in people leading werewolves of all three factions off of the bridges, walls, or even into collision.

And that's not even considering the fact that this skill has to be useful in PvE as well. Unless this isn't a Scribed skill, but rather a PvP-only skill, which we have only seen from Vengeance.

Sarcasm/joke detector broken. Those mangy furballs are just overgrown mutts. Of course a bone would distract them!

Poncho28 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Can we just collect all of the "I HATE SEEING WEREWOLVES IN PvP!" threads together? Is it necessary to have so many?

Like we had all of the "I HATE DKs" threads from last patch, and I have a sneaking suspicion that we're going to get an influx of "I HATE WARDENS" threads coming sometime after U51 drops (assuming the Combat team is on schedule, which they don't seem to be).

Let's just make a sticky: "THE POST REFRESH THINGS ARE OP" and then we can just keep adding to that.

Not hating on WWs. I often complement them (e.g. "Good Doggie").

I would just like to pull out a Chicken Bone every now and then and toss it to see a bunch of WWs fight over it. That's all.

I have been a werewolf through the good years and the bad years.... and honestly I love the idea

You can add it sure, under the condition Werewolves can use the slaughter instant kill on other players.

I don't know, but it would be funny, that's for sure. Still, I don't think it would be very fair to have what is essentially a taunt that only works on WW's. Would it work when the player isn't in WW form? Could a player use this scribed skill in WW form and would they taunt themselves to the bone?

I was chasing a ww in PvP yesterday and every time they used their heal the charmed AOE went off, I don't understand how it is even possible. I've heard a lot of talk in PvP lately about people using the Wizards Wardrobe addon to cheat. One guy said people use it to stack mundus stone buffs, if this is true, I hope it gets looked into. I'm on Xbox NA.

as someone who has been chewed on enough then i support this

Hahaha! Brilliant.