Update 50 PTS – Week 5 Summary

Nordstern · May 18

Game will be unplayable in pvp if shattered isnt nerfed with u50

Bernz007 · May 19

Vengeance will never need an additional campaign due to population lol. After the first campaign, I doubt all three alliances ever reach 3 bars at once. It's quite funny seeing the direction it is headed, as people complain about the things that are needed but already exist in GH.

As for the new Mythic, maybe it's a PC thing, but nobody on Xbox (NA) is complaining about it needed it to be nerfed. Supposedly PC has the "better" pvpers, but with this much crying I can't wait until crossplay goes live to up my kill count. It sounds like nobody on PC knows how to adapt to the environment. Group up, learn to ride in packs, don't be alone in the open, use stealth/hide/invis, have better resistances, heal, block...

Ele sus should have a cost to use. Skill abilities doing damage should be not be free to cast. This alone would solve the primary problem with the new mythic in pvp imo.

SneaK · May 19

Bernz007 wrote: »

Vengeance will never need an additional campaign due to population lol. After the first campaign, I doubt all three alliances ever reach 3 bars at once. It's quite funny seeing the direction it is headed, as people complain about the things that are needed but already exist in GH.

As for the new Mythic, maybe it's a PC thing, but nobody on Xbox (NA) is complaining about it needed it to be nerfed. Supposedly PC has the "better" pvpers, but with this much crying I can't wait until crossplay goes live to up my kill count. It sounds like nobody on PC knows how to adapt to the environment. Group up, learn to ride in packs, don't be alone in the open, use stealth/hide/invis, have better resistances, heal, block...

Ele sus should have a cost to use. Skill abilities doing damage should be not be free to cast. This alone would solve the primary problem with the new mythic in pvp imo.

Most the “better” PvPers on PC came from
Xbox..

SPS is being hated on from certain perspectives, mostly from a solo lens, to which I could understand how trying to X against multiple people running it would be oppressive. But I don’t think that’s an actual metric ZOS should/would balance against.

The other perspective is from battleground people, which tbh is a joke. BGs in ESO are below bottom tier for any type of competitive PvP.

Still, and through u50, the strongest set in the game is 4+ buddies that know how to PvP.

Dracane · May 19

Bernz007 wrote: »

Vengeance will never need an additional campaign due to population lol. After the first campaign, I doubt all three alliances ever reach 3 bars at once. It's quite funny seeing the direction it is headed, as people complain about the things that are needed but already exist in GH.

As for the new Mythic, maybe it's a PC thing, but nobody on Xbox (NA) is complaining about it needed it to be nerfed. Supposedly PC has the "better" pvpers, but with this much crying I can't wait until crossplay goes live to up my kill count. It sounds like nobody on PC knows how to adapt to the environment. Group up, learn to ride in packs, don't be alone in the open, use stealth/hide/invis, have better resistances, heal, block...

Ele sus should have a cost to use. Skill abilities doing damage should be not be free to cast. This alone would solve the primary problem with the new mythic in pvp imo.

The mean-tongued would counter that perhaps it is not console players who are better at countering the Signet, but that console players are merely worse at utilizing it to the fullest.

YandereGirlfriend · May 20

On the topic of rationalizing the non-keystone bonuses of sets: monster sets could also use a pretty thorough look as well.

At the very least, if a monster set scales with a certain stat then it should have a 1-piece bonus of that stat.

An easy example is Grothdar, which scales with Weapon Damage but has a 1-piece bonus of... Max Mag. Changing that 1-piece bonus to Weapon Damage so that it buffs its own set effect would be a small but welcome buff.

Aristodemus · May 21

I'd like to at least see how the SPS fares in PvP before it gets turbo-nerfed like many are crying about. With the massively OP DK PvP (esp BG's) and coming wave of WW builds, can we at least see how a status effect era can look before everyone loses their ever-living minds? Why so little fuss about how DK's are so easy to play? 2 or 3 button only OP builds on almost every BG player. Wow, you're so good at power lash... eye roll.

Aristodemus · May 21

Nordstern wrote: »

Game will be unplayable in pvp if shattered isnt nerfed with u50

Like it isn't already massively problematic with the easy-button DK's running everywhere?

Firstmep · May 21

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

After what has happened and what is still happening with the fallout from Subclass, I have little faith in the future. Already, people are trying to turn Vengeance into GH. There is no point to Vengeance at all if its just going to be cherry picked skill lines and people running the same sets (that's exactly what's happening in GH). That's what drove everyone off from there in the first place. This happened with PvE too, people aren't their characters anymore. There is no way that any of these Class Mastery Passives will be able to compete against a no rules cherry picking system. Thats half of the problem. Start throwing mythics into this equation and the whole problem happens all over again. Subclassing needs to be removed or massively reigned in. Why are we even adding more mythics at all with combat so out of control? Even after the refreshes, theyre always going to revert to a calculator and whatever Skill lines give the highest numbers to the mythic. Because there are absolutely no rules, standards, limitations or drawbacks of any kind for this out of control system.

What we have in ESO is not subclassing. Subclassing would be 1 skill line from another class not some amorphous amalgamation of skill lines.

That being said ESOs combat has a lot of moving parts even without it. What we need or well needed for a long time is the ability for thr devs to respond

Aristodemus wrote: »

I'd like to at least see how the SPS fares in PvP before it gets turbo-nerfed like many are crying about. With the massively OP DK PvP (esp BG's) and coming wave of WW builds, can we at least see how a status effect era can look before everyone loses their ever-living minds? Why so little fuss about how DK's are so easy to play? 2 or 3 button only OP builds on almost every BG player. Wow, you're so good at power lash... eye roll.

You know sps is already live, right? And it is already causing massive issues.

spartaxoxo · May 21

I think that having load outs instead of coming in with preselected gear is the soul of vengeance.

If you want to see a good example of a game where having a game mode that has loadouts and perks changes the entire vibe, I recommend taking a look at Overwatch. That's an fps instead of a shooter so it shouldn't and can't work exactly the same. But take a look at the Stadium game mode and the regular game mode. They have the same core gameplay loops but being able to build a loadout instead of swapping makes it feel almost an entirely different game.

It offers variety to the PvP experience. This game wouldn't make sense to do things the exact way they are doing. By allowing people to select pre built loadouts and perks could really help characters feel unique and give the devs so much more control over the PvP balance (which is important to a PvP game because people like them best when they feel they have a fair shot at winning). There would be many orders of magnitude less combos to manage than re-enabling sets from just a sheet numbers game and you could even use it to make the different seasons feel unique.

For example, you could introduce powerful spellcasting loadouts to promote the college of Winterhold. Or let us find a temporary available relic that let us summon a Red guard shehai in place of our ultimate.

Loadouts have so many possibilities that I don't think you guys have fully explored because you were too focused on Vengeance being a test for a better performing Cyrodiil. Now that that ship has officially sailed and you can't provide that anymore. I think it's time to rethink why so many people liked Vengeance and why that crowd seems like a different one than the hardcore Cyrodiil enjoyers. Vengeance is it's own game mode now. Let it be it's own thing.

YandereGirlfriend · May 21

Aristodemus wrote: »

Nordstern wrote: »

Game will be unplayable in pvp if shattered isnt nerfed with u50

Like it isn't already massively problematic with the easy-button DK's running everywhere?

At least you are in melee range and have to actually build the combo.

Meanwhile in SPS Land, you just sit in crouch 40 meters away while you pre-load your Crystal Weap and Scholarship then pew-pew from infinite range.

Or even lazier Ele Sus spam from nearly 50 meters.