I started with having my backbar be for movement (major expedition, gap closer…) and front bar for damage. Similarly, for PvP I think it’s common to have one bar offense, one bar defense. That way, your bars are for two different things. That might be an easier starting point than using your second bar as vaguely another bar to work with.
I started with having my backbar be for movement (major expedition, gap closer…) and front bar for damage. Similarly, for PvP I think it’s common to have one bar offense, one bar defense. That way, your bars are for two different things. That might be an easier starting point than using your second bar as vaguely another bar to work with.
What about burst heal and resolving vigor? Or do people use some form of barswap cancellation?
CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »A lot of folks can't do this for many reasons and they should not be punished for them. They should restore it as it was. It would be a good thing for the game.
I started with having my backbar be for movement (major expedition, gap closer…) and front bar for damage. Similarly, for PvP I think it’s common to have one bar offense, one bar defense. That way, your bars are for two different things. That might be an easier starting point than using your second bar as vaguely another bar to work with.
What about burst heal and resolving vigor? Or do people use some form of barswap cancellation?
On the topic of OP: I don't want to discourage anyone to try and improve, but I think for some players two bars is just not an option, really. Go with Oakensoul and your combat experience will change. Be prepared to being pushed back by some groups.
1+ for restoring Oakensoul, but in case you don't know, PTS testers report a buff to Heavy Attacks for upcoming U50, which is not a complete solution but is something at least.
I have nerves issues resulting in my hands being "baby-hands" easily hurting and with limited amount of strength. I just simply MUST use Oakensoul. Trying anything else hurts me eventually. And btw, I have pain with Oakensoul too if I force myself in long sessions of IA, NM, like in recent days.
On the topic of OP: I don't want to discourage anyone to try and improve, but I think for some players two bars is just not an option, really. Go with Oakensoul and your combat experience will change. Be prepared to being pushed back by some groups.
(Since Zos is buffing Heavy Attack's, would be nice if they restore Tri-focus passive from Staves so that the splash damage returns to be applied to every tick of the channel and not just the last boom; would definitely help with harder content, especially since Heavy Attacks are also buggy and often refute to fire when you swap targeted enemy.)
I tried really hard - put on a beam build with pale order, did good against world boss, then I went to solo nBRP, spending half of my time running and dodging, let alone doing any rotation, can barely pass first 2 waves.
It's funny... "Bar swapping quickly" depends on software and hardware. It's not a matter of skill, practice, or "reflexes".Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »Bar swapping quickly takes a lot of skill and practice. But it also takes quick reflexes, and not everyone has those.
what about for PvP? I face problems with buff management - With one bar I keep minimal max resource but high recovery, since there is nothing on timer except vigor, while with two bars I must leave reserves to refresh buffs or it'd be fatal. But to have reserves I must increase max resources from the base 12k, and change the singular combat style (which is just endless attack and waving burst heal under pressure)?
It's funny... "Bar swapping quickly" depends on software and hardware. It's not a matter of skill, practice, or "reflexes".Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »Bar swapping quickly takes a lot of skill and practice. But it also takes quick reflexes, and not everyone has those.
And all these online PvP tricks have long been known.
The only slight difference is that the piano doesn't have a GCD... Is it possible to press keys faster? Sure, but that would simply overwrite your commands in the queue.It's funny... "Bar swapping quickly" depends on software and hardware. It's not a matter of skill, practice, or "reflexes".Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »Bar swapping quickly takes a lot of skill and practice. But it also takes quick reflexes, and not everyone has those.
And all these online PvP tricks have long been known.
I'm guessing you don't play any instruments? There's eighty-eight keys on most full sized pianos and I've seen people smash the majority of them faster, harder, and in more complicated patterns using more fingers than this game would ever require in the tightest of situations. The biggest factor after execution is of course lag. But lag only becomes the most significant factor AFTER that point. Are there macro users? Sure. But you don't need them. They aren't required. I wouldn't even call this skill. It's muscle memory. Once you develop it then it's not even a conscious thing. At least not until lag kicks in and throws everything off for a few seconds, pulling you out of the zone
The only slight difference is that the piano doesn't have a GCD... Is it possible to press keys faster? Sure, but that would simply overwrite your commands in the queue.It's funny... "Bar swapping quickly" depends on software and hardware. It's not a matter of skill, practice, or "reflexes".Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »Bar swapping quickly takes a lot of skill and practice. But it also takes quick reflexes, and not everyone has those.
And all these online PvP tricks have long been known.
I'm guessing you don't play any instruments? There's eighty-eight keys on most full sized pianos and I've seen people smash the majority of them faster, harder, and in more complicated patterns using more fingers than this game would ever require in the tightest of situations. The biggest factor after execution is of course lag. But lag only becomes the most significant factor AFTER that point. Are there macro users? Sure. But you don't need them. They aren't required. I wouldn't even call this skill. It's muscle memory. Once you develop it then it's not even a conscious thing. At least not until lag kicks in and throws everything off for a few seconds, pulling you out of the zone
And "muscle memory" isn't what you think. It doesn't make you faster; it simply places a script/"anchor" in your brain. And any lag or even the position of your keyboard can disrupt it, creating a much longer pause to react to the situation.
I'm guessing you don't play any instruments? There's eighty-eight keys on most full sized pianos and I've seen people smash the majority of them faster, harder, and in more complicated patterns using more fingers than this game would ever require in the tightest of situations. The biggest factor after execution is of course lag. But lag only becomes the most significant factor AFTER that point. Are there macro users? Sure. But you don't need them. They aren't required. I wouldn't even call this skill. It's muscle memory. Once you develop it then it's not even a conscious thing. At least not until lag kicks in and throws everything off for a few seconds, pulling you out of the zone
Techwolf_Lupindo wrote: »
I'm guessing you don't play any instruments? There's eighty-eight keys on most full sized pianos and I've seen people smash the majority of them faster, harder, and in more complicated patterns using more fingers than this game would ever require in the tightest of situations. The biggest factor after execution is of course lag. But lag only becomes the most significant factor AFTER that point. Are there macro users? Sure. But you don't need them. They aren't required. I wouldn't even call this skill. It's muscle memory. Once you develop it then it's not even a conscious thing. At least not until lag kicks in and throws everything off for a few seconds, pulling you out of the zone
That piano is still one bar. There is no swap bar key off to the side that needs to be hit many times to play a song. Image the keyboard is half size and the bar swap is off to the side. Try to image playing a song on that type of Piano where you have to swap every so often to play different notes on the same keys. Image trying to remember what bar you are on anytime during the song.
gave up, again.
It worked remarkably well when playing tank, in a duel, my team is winning, or I can retreat and reenter combat easily.
But when the situation turns messy and dire and no way to retreat (unless slotting streak and major exp), maintaining buffs becomes impossible because they need the same resource for weaving healing and keeping offensive pressure, and it takes far too long to do a 5 ability buff rotation plus elem sus, especially when there are multiple targets. Losing major+minor resolve at any second is particularly deadly when facing stealth opponents.
If I use scribing for combined buffs/debuffs like with one bar builds (no explicit rotation), I lose the benefits from class/weapon skills, which lowers the usefulness of having 2 bars.
I guess it can work out, but need very different builds than what I've been using
gave up, again.
It worked remarkably well when playing tank, in a duel, my team is winning, or I can retreat and reenter combat easily.
But when the situation turns messy and dire and no way to retreat (unless slotting streak and major exp), maintaining buffs becomes impossible because they need the same resource for weaving healing and keeping offensive pressure, and it takes far too long to do a 5 ability buff rotation plus elem sus, especially when there are multiple targets. Losing major+minor resolve at any second is particularly deadly when facing stealth opponents.
If I use scribing for combined buffs/debuffs like with one bar builds (no explicit rotation), I lose the benefits from class/weapon skills, which lowers the usefulness of having 2 bars.
I guess it can work out, but need very different builds than what I've been using
Which abilities are in your buff rotation? You can get some buffs from slottables that you don’t have to cast in most situations, like major protection from revealing flare and minor protection from temporal guard.
Which abilities are in your buff rotation? You can get some buffs from slottables that you don’t have to cast in most situations, like major protection from revealing flare and minor protection from temporal guard.
I ran out of slots.
Crystal surge for weapon dmg and heal,
Hurricane for major resolve and minor exp
Cauterize for heal
Burning Embers for buring dot and heal
Vigor for minor resolve and HoT when things get tough
Siphoning strikes on backbar for passive heal and resource, to compensate the loss of minor intellectual etc
The total heal is better and cheaper than on one bar when it's manageable. When it gets messy the advantages disappear and problems appear - i cant keep weaving burst heal while keeping buffs and several HoT up, while on one bar I only need to activate vigor and then weave burst heal (bash is main attack) while remaining in combat. There isn't enough resource and burst heal from nb is weaker - I'm running with min weapon damage, hence the need of fixed-amount HoT like crystal surge and siphoning, or health scaled, but with two bars it's harder to pick lines as they need to satisfy all buffs.