Daily login for Tomes should be counted automatically

SilverBride · April 19

Daily login for Tomes should be counted automatically when we log in, rather than having to remember to open Tome challenges and click it. Or have it pop-up when first logging in, like the daily login rewards used to do, so we can quickly click and not miss getting credit for logging in if we forget to count it manually.

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Nestor · April 19

It is annoying. Even when I am farming mats for Tomes I forget to take the Login reward.

SilverBride · April 19

Players shouldn't miss getting credit for something they did just because they forgot to open Tomes, go to Challenges, go to Seasonal then click on the Challenge. They did it for the daily login rewards so they should be able to do it for this, too.

Silaf · April 19

With the Tome introduction ZOS promised the reduction of fomo and daily rewards listed in the feature objectives.

Why can't we have a weekly challenge instead?

SilverBride · April 19

I don't mind the seasonal challenge but the process for getting credit should be easier.

virtus753 · April 19

I see why some players would not want to have weeklies automatically claimed, as that locks you into that challenge and out of a reroll, though I’d like to see an option to do so.

For seasonal challenges I don’t see a downside to autoclaim. A toggle would again be ideal, as that maximizes player choice, but we don’t get the option to reroll these. (Also something they still need to clarify in game.)

In the meantime, there are multiple add-ons that will do this.

Code has this one: https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info4484.html

There is also a tome tracker with the feature:
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info4488-TomesTracker.html

Silaf wrote: »

With the Tome introduction ZOS promised the reduction of fomo and daily rewards listed in the feature objectives.

Why can't we have a weekly challenge instead?

If they made the login weekly, I imagine that would make it so we’d have to log in seven days to get credit. Or it would take up one of our weekly slots, and we’d be trying to reroll to stack it 2-3 times. Like how when they gave us back bar experience gain, they split up our xp over both bars, so we’re capped at gaining half of what we would if we were on the “right” bar before. It feels like there’s often a catch to when we get the things we ask for.

ToddIngram · April 19

I agree, but reluctantly. Seems like we should get an automated email or similar notification to just click claim when we login. You know, just like the daily login system worked. *shrugs*

Frayton · April 19

Yeah it'd be great if it was automatic like the endeavors used to be. That was a good design because it blended seamlessly with playing. You didn't have to remember to do it, you just got rewarded automatically for playing ESO. The way it is now is just another boring chore that interrupts playing, so I forget to do it then get annoyed when I remember to.

randconfig · April 19

SilverBride wrote: »

Players shouldn't miss getting credit for something they did just because they forgot to open Tomes, go to Challenges, go to Seasonal then click on the Challenge. They did it for the daily login rewards so they should be able to do it for this, too.

I agree. Should also be the case with the Jubilee Cake Trade Bars. Just make us do the cake quest one time, then give us bars as long as we login each day after

Qethsegol · April 19

SilverBride wrote: »

Players shouldn't miss getting credit for something they did just because they forgot to open Tomes, go to Challenges, go to Seasonal then click on the Challenge. They did it for the daily login rewards so they should be able to do it for this, too.

You don't miss getting credit if you forget to claim it manually for a few days. I did forget to claim it on one account and then just had to click the things a few times, got credit for all days. Same with the resource gathering challenges. If you forget to claim one, it starts counting towards the next one already in the background. Now the auto claim function is of course a different matter.

SilverBride · April 19

Qethsegol wrote: »

You don't miss getting credit if you forget to claim it manually for a few days. I did forget to claim it on one account and then just had to click the things a few times, got credit for all days. Same with the resource gathering challenges. If you forget to claim one, it starts counting towards the next one already in the background. Now the auto claim function is of course a different matter.

I've never seen it give credit for more than one day of logging in. I'm going to skip claiming it today and see what happens tomorrow.

But either way it should not be such a process when there is a much easier way to do it.

Frayton · April 19

virtus753 wrote: »

In the meantime, there are multiple add-ons that will do this.

Code has this one: https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info4484.html

There is also a tome tracker with the feature:
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info4488-TomesTracker.html

Thank you and thanks to the addon authors for once again providing QoL that should be built in.

AScarlato · April 19

Qethsegol wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Players shouldn't miss getting credit for something they did just because they forgot to open Tomes, go to Challenges, go to Seasonal then click on the Challenge. They did it for the daily login rewards so they should be able to do it for this, too.

You don't miss getting credit if you forget to claim it manually for a few days. I did forget to claim it on one account and then just had to click the things a few times, got credit for all days. Same with the resource gathering challenges. If you forget to claim one, it starts counting towards the next one already in the background. Now the auto claim function is of course a different matter.

This. I forgot a few days and could just click on them all at once.

SilverBride · April 19

If we can click and submit several days of logins at once that is good for when we forget to do it every day. But why is this different from the other challenges that give a notification when we have completed one round of them?

I like to know that I am getting credit for what I am completing and this information about the daily login challenge was not explained clearly anywhere that I have seen. So I assumed that if we missed a day of claiming it then we just lost that day.

We need consistency in how things work with these systems, rather than some work this way and some work that way. Just having it popup the first time we login that day so we can claim it then would be a lot easier and give peace of mind knowing we didn't miss claiming any.

Tandor · April 19

ToddIngram wrote: »

I agree, but reluctantly. Seems like we should get an automated email or similar notification to just click claim when we login. You know, just like the daily login system worked. *shrugs*

I wouldn't want a daily automated notification unless it could be disabled. I'm enjoying the fact that I can generally ignore the whole Tomes setup as I have no interest in it (although it annoys me if I can't move on from opening a treasure chest without claiming it each time for a challenge).

code65536 · April 19

SilverBride wrote: »

I've never seen it give credit for more than one day of logging in. I'm going to skip claiming it today and see what happens tomorrow.

You can let them pile up. A friend turned off my auto-claim addon for a few days and turned it back, and they got this:

I did a similar test with a weekly challenge, just let it build up before turning my auto-claim back on:

So you don't have to claim them and you can just ignore them with no ill effects; the main downside to not claiming is not being able to see what progress you've made beyond the current checkpoint, but that progress is being recorded by the server even if you can't see it.

In any case, the auto-claim addon makes the whole tome point thing work frictionlessly just like endeavors, and it's tiny, trivially simple, with no UI that gets in the way and no performance footprint.

SilverBride · April 19

Tandor wrote: »

I wouldn't want a daily automated notification unless it could be disabled. I'm enjoying the fact that I can generally ignore the whole Tomes setup as I have no interest in it (although it annoys me if I can't move on from opening a treasure chest without claiming it each time for a challenge).

My thought was that the daily login would only notify the first time we log in for the day before we get busy playing and would only take a second to click then it's gone for the rest of the day.

Apollosipod · April 20

Honestly, even I forgot to grab it and missed the day I guess I'd feel like it was my bad? I guess?

But the problem I've run into is it just not counting when I've logged on and it doesn't give me the option. I even filed a ticket because I'd been able to redeem fewer than 10 of the daily rewards despite logging in every day and they could only tell me that they're working to fix the glitch.

Yeah...cool...but that doesn't make up the daily reward I've missed because of a glitch, does it?

LootAllTheStuff · April 20

Apollosipod wrote: »

Honestly, even I forgot to grab it and missed the day I guess I'd feel like it was my bad? I guess?

But the problem I've run into is it just not counting when I've logged on and it doesn't give me the option. I even filed a ticket because I'd been able to redeem fewer than 10 of the daily rewards despite logging in every day and they could only tell me that they're working to fix the glitch.

Yeah...cool...but that doesn't make up the daily reward I've missed because of a glitch, does it?

There is that known bug where, if you're already logged in at the daily reset time (10 eastern), it doesn't count. I have no idea how late you can leave it before that time to logout then log back in again afterwards. This definitely needs fixing, though - if it's counting being logged in at 10:00 eastern + and you're already logged in, you should get the credit.

barney2525 · April 20

It seems to actually know when you have logged in I know at least once, I logged in, went to the Tome, clicked, it registered the day but still had another, so clicked again and I was caught up.

Xarrant · April 20

Derp! I had no idea I had to manually trigger the log on counter. I agree, something like logging in should be automatically counted.

SilverBride · April 20

Xarrant wrote: »

Derp! I had no idea I had to manually trigger the log on counter.

I didn't know either until a friend told me. This is one of the biggest problems with Tomes. So many things have not been clearly explained, like this and the debacle with the caches. It is not intuitive to just know to open seasonal challenges and click the login objective every day, especially when every challenge other than this one notifies the player when a step has been completed.

code65536 · April 20

Xarrant wrote: »

Derp! I had no idea I had to manually trigger the log on counter. I agree, something like logging in should be automatically counted.

No, your logins are counted by the server (as long as you're not online during the daily reset, but that problem is a bug) even if you don't claim them.

SilverBride · April 20

code65536 wrote: »

Xarrant wrote: »

Derp! I had no idea I had to manually trigger the log on counter. I agree, something like logging in should be automatically counted.

No, your logins are counted by the server (as long as you're not online during the daily reset, but that problem is a bug) even if you don't claim them.

What if a player never finds out they need to claim these and the season ends? Will they miss out on claiming their Tome points?

code65536 · April 20

SilverBride wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Xarrant wrote: »

Derp! I had no idea I had to manually trigger the log on counter. I agree, something like logging in should be automatically counted.

No, your logins are counted by the server (as long as you're not online during the daily reset, but that problem is a bug) even if you don't claim them.

What if a player never finds out they need to claim these and the season ends? Will they miss out on claiming their Tome points?

I have no idea.

But in the latest Update 50 (which will be before the season ends) PTS patch notes, there is this: "There is now a “Claim All” button on the Challenges screen that will claim all the completed Challenges at once."

So if you have a large backlog of unclaimed challenges, it'll be easier to grab them all, and my assumption is that when they go claim weeklies, it'll probably claim seasonals as well (PTS isn't up yet to test). And I suspect that if someone is so oblivious to all this that they neglect to claim completed ones, then they probably didn't care about the Tome rewards in the first place. I know people who are ignoring all of this because it just doesn't interest them, and that's perfectly valid.

Greasytengu · April 20

I think tomes should just auto claim in general, its not like leaving it unclaimed halts progress for the next claim so why not give us a notification that we earned tomes instead ?

SilverBride · April 20

code65536 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Xarrant wrote: »

Derp! I had no idea I had to manually trigger the log on counter. I agree, something like logging in should be automatically counted.

No, your logins are counted by the server (as long as you're not online during the daily reset, but that problem is a bug) even if you don't claim them.

What if a player never finds out they need to claim these and the season ends? Will they miss out on claiming their Tome points?

I have no idea.

But in the latest Update 50 (which will be before the season ends) PTS patch notes, there is this: "There is now a “Claim All” button on the Challenges screen that will claim all the completed Challenges at once."

So if you have a large backlog of unclaimed challenges, it'll be easier to grab them all, and my assumption is that when they go claim weeklies, it'll probably claim seasonals as well (PTS isn't up yet to test). And I suspect that if someone is so oblivious to all this that they neglect to claim completed ones, then they probably didn't care about the Tome rewards in the first place. I know people who are ignoring all of this because it just doesn't interest them, and that's perfectly valid.

That is very good to know! Thanks for the information!

Techwolf_Lupindo · April 20

Greasytengu wrote: »

I think tomes should just auto claim in general, its not like leaving it unclaimed halts progress for the next claim so why not give us a notification that we earned tomes instead ?

This is because doing one claim on one will lock it out from re-rolling. Logging in and have one locked out right away is not intended.

Note that progress still continues on the next one. I tested this, you don't have to claim to get credit on kills or whatever on the next level.

Displaced_Salad · April 20

SilverBride wrote: »

If we can click and submit several days of logins at once that is good for when we forget to do it every day. But why is this different from the other challenges that give a notification when we have completed one round of them?

I like to know that I am getting credit for what I am completing and this information about the daily login challenge was not explained clearly anywhere that I have seen. So I assumed that if we missed a day of claiming it then we just lost that day.

We need consistency in how things work with these systems, rather than some work this way and some work that way. Just having it popup the first time we login that day so we can claim it then would be a lot easier and give peace of mind knowing we didn't miss claiming any.

Consistency is something sorely lacking in this game. There isn't consistency across mechanics, information delivery, etc. Consistency is hard when you lose devs (not just recently) and rotate teams. It's why the code probably looks like the biggest pasta bake in history. Some of that can't be avoided, but I agree that clear messaging and consistency are not just nice, but necessary.