Werewolf Emotes?

Inari Telvanni · April 13

It used to be that you could play emotes while in wolf form, as seen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-xJBkv9zxY

At some point, they were disabled— and some of us werewolf players were a little disappointed.

Now that it doesn't cost anything to remain in wolf form out of combat, it would be good to re-enable their usage. Especially for those of us who roleplay, or enjoy taking screenshots of our dog-monsters.

Aliyavana · April 13

Agreed

Bo0137 · April 13

YEs please!

noblecron · April 13

Yes please. And a way to walk on all fours not run would be amazing

IncultaWolf · April 13

I miss being able to use these, they randomly got removed several years ago.

Soarora · April 13

Agreed. I would love a way to be on all fours/sit down!

BloodstainedFay · April 13

Agreed

Ataskir · April 13

Big agree, no reason not to have them now!

luckiestlycan · April 14

Iirc it was the update that coincided with the Greymoor DLC that gave those Emotes the boot, tbh when it happened I assumed it was because ZoS were gonna try and sell them back to us as "Werewolf Emotes" or something similar; but that never happened.

I would love for Werewolf Emotes to make a return!

Mattymoo92 · April 14

@Zos_Kevin yes please 🥺

LunaFlora · April 14

yes Werewolf emotes would be awesome

Lykeion · April 14

Yes, the new werewolf model looks great, but I really hope the werewolf emotes can stay instead of being replaced by a cold system message like “You can’t use emotes right now.” At the very least, I hope we can keep /playdead.

noblecron · April 17

Please give us emotes. It'd be super fun and immersive. Also the ability to walk on all fours like the werewolf npcs

Inari Telvanni · April 17

I wonder if @ZOS_JasonBarnes would have anything to say on whether this might be considered by the team?

Inari Telvanni · April 27

No acknowledgment for this week of PTS either... is it possible that the rework of the animations would make this impossible?

axan22 · April 27

with new model they would have to redo all the animations part of the reason we didnt get crouch so doubt they will redo all the emotes any time soon, but i could be wrong.

Panderbander · April 27

axan22 wrote: »

with new model they would have to redo all the animations part of the reason we didnt get crouch so doubt they will redo all the emotes any time soon, but i could be wrong.

Triggerable emotes via mementos still function with the current model. They would not need to redo the model.

huskandhunger · April 27

@ZOS_Erin @ZOS_Kevin can we please get a rollover emote?

Thank you 👀✨

Erickson9610 · April 27

huskandhunger wrote: »

@ZOS_Erin @ZOS_Kevin can we please get a rollover emote?

Thank you 👀✨

We really need Werewolf-specific emotes now that we are encouraged to socialize in Werewolf form. At least we can stand around and scratch our face.

luckiestlycan · April 28

Hiya y'all, so I was just doin' a lil testing of Mementos (of those that are available on PTS) while in Werewolf form to see which work, which semi-work, and which don't (most fall in the Semi-Work/Don't Work catagory); & although they aren't emotes I thought I'd share some of the more interesting ones for rp that still work: the Fetish of Anger (Neat for like a Rage), the Egg of Arac & Windglass & Gleaming Lamp mementos from the Nightmarket all have the werewolf do some fancy magic, & the Questionable Meat Sack has the Werewolf perform the Devour Animation when used & interacted with (I believe this emote can also be interacted with by other players when used too!)

A majority of the rest that work/semi work just have the Werewolf get glowy in different ways, or have books torenado around them, but I hope the above adds some RP options.

Edit:: To clarify, I didn't have the time (or patience) to test all the emotes, so there may be more that work unexpectedly well, so I'd love to hear the results of other peeps testing them.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · May 1

Hi everyone! Thank you for all the wonderful and creative suggestions for unique Werewolf emotes and general emote support for the Werewolf model. While this is something we all would love to do, unfortunately it isn’t something we are able to do at this time. We’d like to provide some context as to why, and though we know this is not the answer you all were hoping for, we hope it helps give you a little extra insight.

Every animation in the game from pet and mount animations to emotes to combat animations contributes to our overall shared animation memory budget for ESO. That budget has a cap to ensure the game runs as smoothly as possible and our players don’t run into a memory cap (the worst-case scenario of which ends in a blue-screen-of-death.)

Emotes, in particular, sometimes have a more “expensive” animation memory cost than regular combat or collectibles animations because we let you emote at any time, emotes can be very long and grandiose, and you can do many of the same things with them as you can with combat animations (animation cancel, blend, etc.) This makes special, contextual emotes, like those for the Werewolf model, highly expensive compared to other types of animations; we have to be extremely selective with the ones we create.

When we’re prioritizing new animations, we need to be very careful with where we spend that animation memory budget. With the class refresh work, animations related to combat skills are given higher priority than new emotes. So, again, it’s something we’d love to do at some point and may be able to revisit in the future. It’s just not in the cards at this time due to current animation memory budgets and how careful we must be with where we spend that animation memory budget.

IncultaWolf · May 1

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone! Thank you for all the wonderful and creative suggestions for unique Werewolf emotes and general emote support for the Werewolf model. While this is something we all would love to do, unfortunately it isn’t something we are able to do at this time. We’d like to provide some context as to why, and though we know this is not the answer you all were hoping for, we hope it helps give you a little extra insight.

Every animation in the game from pet and mount animations to emotes to combat animations contributes to our overall shared animation memory budget for ESO. That budget has a cap to ensure the game runs as smoothly as possible and our players don’t run into a memory cap (the worst-case scenario of which ends in a blue-screen-of-death.)

Emotes, in particular, sometimes have a more “expensive” in animation memory cost than regular combat or collectibles animations because we let you emote at any time, emotes can be very long and grandiose, and you can do many of the same things with them as you can with combat animations (animation cancel, blend, etc.) This makes special, contextual emotes, like those for the Werewolf model, highly expensive compared to other types of animations; we have to be extremely selective with the ones we create.

When we’re prioritizing new animations, we need to be very careful with where we spend that animation memory budget. With the class refresh work, animations related to combat skills are given higher priority than new emotes. So, again, it’s something we’d love to do at some point and may be able to revisit in the future. It’s just not in the cards at this time due to current animation memory budgets and how careful we must be with where we spend that animation memory budget.

I appreciate the insight and communication on this. It's exactly what I suspected to be the reason, memory limitations for last gen consoles/hardware. Nice to get a definitive answer on this even if it's disappointing to hear.

coop500 · May 1

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone! Thank you for all the wonderful and creative suggestions for unique Werewolf emotes and general emote support for the Werewolf model. While this is something we all would love to do, unfortunately it isn’t something we are able to do at this time. We’d like to provide some context as to why, and though we know this is not the answer you all were hoping for, we hope it helps give you a little extra insight.

Every animation in the game from pet and mount animations to emotes to combat animations contributes to our overall shared animation memory budget for ESO. That budget has a cap to ensure the game runs as smoothly as possible and our players don’t run into a memory cap (the worst-case scenario of which ends in a blue-screen-of-death.)

Emotes, in particular, sometimes have a more “expensive” animation memory cost than regular combat or collectibles animations because we let you emote at any time, emotes can be very long and grandiose, and you can do many of the same things with them as you can with combat animations (animation cancel, blend, etc.) This makes special, contextual emotes, like those for the Werewolf model, highly expensive compared to other types of animations; we have to be extremely selective with the ones we create.

When we’re prioritizing new animations, we need to be very careful with where we spend that animation memory budget. With the class refresh work, animations related to combat skills are given higher priority than new emotes. So, again, it’s something we’d love to do at some point and may be able to revisit in the future. It’s just not in the cards at this time due to current animation memory budgets and how careful we must be with where we spend that animation memory budget.

Thank you for the thoughtful response about this Jessica. It's sad but acceptable, as there's not really anything anyone can do about that. Hopefully in due time this might become less of a concern, but such a detailed breakdown is refreshing and hopefully allows people to understand why new stuff can't always be added on the pile.

Inari Telvanni · May 1

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone! Thank you for all the wonderful and creative suggestions for unique Werewolf emotes and general emote support for the Werewolf model. While this is something we all would love to do, unfortunately it isn’t something we are able to do at this time. We’d like to provide some context as to why, and though we know this is not the answer you all were hoping for, we hope it helps give you a little extra insight.

Every animation in the game from pet and mount animations to emotes to combat animations contributes to our overall shared animation memory budget for ESO. That budget has a cap to ensure the game runs as smoothly as possible and our players don’t run into a memory cap (the worst-case scenario of which ends in a blue-screen-of-death.)

Emotes, in particular, sometimes have a more “expensive” animation memory cost than regular combat or collectibles animations because we let you emote at any time, emotes can be very long and grandiose, and you can do many of the same things with them as you can with combat animations (animation cancel, blend, etc.) This makes special, contextual emotes, like those for the Werewolf model, highly expensive compared to other types of animations; we have to be extremely selective with the ones we create.

When we’re prioritizing new animations, we need to be very careful with where we spend that animation memory budget. With the class refresh work, animations related to combat skills are given higher priority than new emotes. So, again, it’s something we’d love to do at some point and may be able to revisit in the future. It’s just not in the cards at this time due to current animation memory budgets and how careful we must be with where we spend that animation memory budget.

Definitely not the reasoning I was expecting, and it makes me feel relieved that it might indeed be something temporary in the long term! Thank you for the transparency.

Erickson9610 · May 1

Inari Telvanni wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone! Thank you for all the wonderful and creative suggestions for unique Werewolf emotes and general emote support for the Werewolf model. While this is something we all would love to do, unfortunately it isn’t something we are able to do at this time. We’d like to provide some context as to why, and though we know this is not the answer you all were hoping for, we hope it helps give you a little extra insight.

Every animation in the game from pet and mount animations to emotes to combat animations contributes to our overall shared animation memory budget for ESO. That budget has a cap to ensure the game runs as smoothly as possible and our players don’t run into a memory cap (the worst-case scenario of which ends in a blue-screen-of-death.)

Emotes, in particular, sometimes have a more “expensive” animation memory cost than regular combat or collectibles animations because we let you emote at any time, emotes can be very long and grandiose, and you can do many of the same things with them as you can with combat animations (animation cancel, blend, etc.) This makes special, contextual emotes, like those for the Werewolf model, highly expensive compared to other types of animations; we have to be extremely selective with the ones we create.

When we’re prioritizing new animations, we need to be very careful with where we spend that animation memory budget. With the class refresh work, animations related to combat skills are given higher priority than new emotes. So, again, it’s something we’d love to do at some point and may be able to revisit in the future. It’s just not in the cards at this time due to current animation memory budgets and how careful we must be with where we spend that animation memory budget.

Definitely not the reasoning I was expecting, and it makes me feel relieved that it might indeed be something temporary in the long term! Thank you for the transparency.

This gives me hope that one day we will get proper sneaking animations in the future, despite the team's stance on it for balance reasons. There are several reasons why we want to be able to crouch/sneak as a Werewolf across PvE and PvP, and one of the reasons we didn't get it this patch was because of the animation budget.

YandereGirlfriend · May 1

This is one of those Arnold x Carl Weathers bro handshake moments where everyone can come together to vote old-gen consoles off the island.

They are holding back so much progress for the game.

IncultaWolf · May 1

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

This is one of those Arnold x Carl Weathers bro handshake moments where everyone can come together to vote old-gen consoles off the island.

They are holding back so much progress for the game.

I hope this happens when crossplay is implemented

huskandhunger · May 1

yes agreed 🐺💕

Erickson9610 · May 2

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone! Thank you for all the wonderful and creative suggestions for unique Werewolf emotes and general emote support for the Werewolf model. While this is something we all would love to do, unfortunately it isn’t something we are able to do at this time. We’d like to provide some context as to why, and though we know this is not the answer you all were hoping for, we hope it helps give you a little extra insight.

Every animation in the game from pet and mount animations to emotes to combat animations contributes to our overall shared animation memory budget for ESO. That budget has a cap to ensure the game runs as smoothly as possible and our players don’t run into a memory cap (the worst-case scenario of which ends in a blue-screen-of-death.)

Emotes, in particular, sometimes have a more “expensive” animation memory cost than regular combat or collectibles animations because we let you emote at any time, emotes can be very long and grandiose, and you can do many of the same things with them as you can with combat animations (animation cancel, blend, etc.) This makes special, contextual emotes, like those for the Werewolf model, highly expensive compared to other types of animations; we have to be extremely selective with the ones we create.

When we’re prioritizing new animations, we need to be very careful with where we spend that animation memory budget. With the class refresh work, animations related to combat skills are given higher priority than new emotes. So, again, it’s something we’d love to do at some point and may be able to revisit in the future. It’s just not in the cards at this time due to current animation memory budgets and how careful we must be with where we spend that animation memory budget.

In the meantime, can you just re-enable the use of existing emotes?

Here's a list of emotes which would play an animation if we were allowed to use emotes in Werewolf form:

/crouch (the werewolf crouches down and starts to eat whatever is below it. This is used when the player harvests resources, repairs structures, and if we could place siege, this animation is the one used there as well)
/begone (this emote from the Clockwork City causes you to swipe the area in front of you with your claws and then bite twice)
/playdead (this emote causes you to do the death animation, where you lay on the ground)
/kneelpray (this emote causes you to do the Piercing Howl attack animation, with the Roar SFX. Both the SFX and animation were updated in U50, and you can encounter this animation when kneeling at the altars in Earthen Root Enclave)
/smash (this emote causes you to swipe the air in front of you twice. This is normally used when entering doors)
/take (this emote causes you to swipe the air in front of you once. This is normally used when picking up items, such as torchbugs)
/cower (this emote causes you to do what was once the blocking animation)

Already, there are plenty of existing Werewolf animations that we used to be able to use on demand. This would be a good starting point for Werewolf emotes. I remember using several of these emotes at the werewolf shrines back in the day to socialize with other people there as a werewolf.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_Erin

Erickson9610 · May 4

I hope we don't have our ability to use Mementos taken away while transformed like how we had our Emotes taken away. Knowing which Emotes/Mementos played a corresponding Werewolf animation gives us more ways to socialize. I've literally bought some Mementos for the sole purpose of using them to interact with others while I'm in Werewolf form.