Season Zero: Dawn and Dusk Is Now Live

ZOS_Kevin · April 2

This is the official discussion thread for, "Season Zero: Dawn and Dusk Is Now Live"

"A new age begins for The Elder Scrolls Online with Season Zero: Dawn and Dusk."

twisttop138 · April 2

I'm actually not unhappy with the amount of points you can earn per weekly. You seem to have borrowed from fallout 76 in your rerolls and your epic rerolls. The rewards are good though I think you guys are gonna have to keep cranking out winners in terms of rewards every season so I hope you're poking around to see what folks want or maybe do a survey.

The biggest complaint I'm seeing across discord right now is that the UI is bad. You need to have bright, easy to understand, big pictures. It should really look and function more like the crown store then whatever this is.

thejadefalcon · April 2

So the Premium Tome Token doesn't unlock the Premium Tome?

All this time, since you first announced these awful battlepasses, I assumed that ESO+ players could at least unlock the basic paid tier of them or could save up to buy the Mega-Ultra-Super Edition a bit faster.

Who made the decision to share the names between these things? Why not have the free tier, the "Expanded" tier and the Premium tier? Or *literally anything else* but the same name? This is such a massive failure of basic design and I am stunned that *nobody* at ZOS thought about this until now.

tomofhyrule · April 2

thejadefalcon wrote: »

So the Premium Tome Token doesn't unlock the Premium Tome?

You need 12 to unlock it.

So ESO+ gives you one free Tome a year subbed, so there are three that do not come with ESO+

thejadefalcon · April 2

tomofhyrule wrote: »

thejadefalcon wrote: »

So the Premium Tome Token doesn't unlock the Premium Tome?

You need 12 to unlock it.

So ESO+ gives you one free Tome a year subbed, so there are three that do not come with ESO+

No, you need 12 Premium Tome Tokens to earn 1 Premium + Bonuses tome. They have nothing to do with the Premium tome.

Destai · April 2

I bought it, I'm looking forward to some of the rewards. But, guys...this system is very hard to navigate. There's just too much happening on one screen. There's too many currencies, too many tiers. I'll slog through it, but you've gotta streamline this in the future.

And taking a step back - this game requires too many spreadsheets and infographics to navigate and understand. Whether it's buying DLC, dungeons, Tomes, crowns, crown crates, and the constellation of currencies - people walk away over this kind of stuff. Obviously you guys want to successfully monetize the game so it can be adequately funded, I don't think the current approach to UX helps with that.

I should start an ESO improvement suggestions YouTube channel. I made a feedback video here.

Erickson9610 · April 2

I didn't like needing to save a payment method. I would've rather bought the premium tome from the ESO store, rather than from an in-game menu.

Malkorga · April 2

I have noticed that the value of tome points to trade bars is not consistent. First page is 500 tomes for 750 trade bars. Second page is 450 tomes for 750 trade bars.

Also why are we earing 50 trade bars which is half an event ticket?

And why are the previously free statuettes and paintings now in the bazaar for 450 trade bars or 4.5 event tickets?

I tried to raise the question as to why the value of the tickets was inflated and I worried that we would earn low numbers of trade bars (partial tickets) and now I see this.

Disappointed, I'll save for things I really need.

LootAllTheStuff · April 2

Is there some reason why the "You have a Tome reward to unlock" notification cannot be easily dismissed? I just completed a Bastion Nymic run with that partially blocking my view, and that activity kept "topping up" item completions so getting rid of it was next to impossible.

Also agree that the Tome rewards page is kind of washed out and unclear.

With that said, there did seem to be quite a bit of variety in the tasks; I'll have a look at the rewards later once I've earned some more points.

twisttop138 · April 2

thejadefalcon wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

thejadefalcon wrote: »

So the Premium Tome Token doesn't unlock the Premium Tome?

You need 12 to unlock it.

So ESO+ gives you one free Tome a year subbed, so there are three that do not come with ESO+

No, you need 12 Premium Tome Tokens to earn 1 Premium + Bonuses tome. They have nothing to do with the Premium tome.

Wait so what are you saying here. That you're not getting the premium tome? If it's the premium plus tome you get, doesn't that also include the premium tome?

Malkorga wrote: »

I have noticed that the value of tome points to trade bars is not consistent. First page is 500 tomes for 750 trade bars. Second page is 450 tomes for 750 trade bars.

Also why are we earing 50 trade bars which is half an event ticket?

And why are the previously free statuettes and paintings now in the bazaar for 450 trade bars or 4.5 event tickets?

I tried to raise the question as to why the value of the tickets was inflated and I worried that we would earn low numbers of trade bars (partial tickets) and now I see this.

Disappointed, I'll save for things I really need.

You're thinking in event tickets still. That's a mistake. That time is over. There is no more tickets. There is only zuul. I mean trade bars. Also, having different prices on different pages is not unique to ESO, though I've never seen the price go down on later pages.

PoveusRonin · April 2

Looking at the Tome page, it shows what I can get then the locked says premium. I thought there were 2 tiers, how can you tell from looking which tier you really want for rewards?

twisttop138 · April 2

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Looking at the Tome page, it shows what I can get then the locked says premium. I thought there were 2 tiers, how can you tell from looking which tier you really want for rewards?

The super elite premium plus tier is 15 bucks extra for one ugly costume and some extra time points. So the free tier and the premium are what you'll see on most pages.

thejadefalcon · April 2

twisttop138 wrote: »

thejadefalcon wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

thejadefalcon wrote: »

So the Premium Tome Token doesn't unlock the Premium Tome?

You need 12 to unlock it.

So ESO+ gives you one free Tome a year subbed, so there are three that do not come with ESO+

No, you need 12 Premium Tome Tokens to earn 1 Premium + Bonuses tome. They have nothing to do with the Premium tome.

Wait so what are you saying here. That you're not getting the premium tome? If it's the premium plus tome you get, doesn't that also include the premium tome?

I am saying that an item labelled "Premium Token" not unlocking the tier called "Premium" is a terrible and blatantly misleading design decision. Frankly, now knowing the truth has made this whole system feel even worse of a FOMO moneygrab than I was anticipating the battlepass to be.

Sordidfairytale · April 2

ESO+ Should either not have a cap to the tome points that can be transferred to the next season or the reset should be after a year, or it should be significantly increased or it should be A LOT clearer when opening the cache that you can only take 2000 into the next season. A few people in my guild have 20k+ points and no desire for anything more in the current season.

twisttop138 · April 2

thejadefalcon wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

thejadefalcon wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

thejadefalcon wrote: »

So the Premium Tome Token doesn't unlock the Premium Tome?

You need 12 to unlock it.

So ESO+ gives you one free Tome a year subbed, so there are three that do not come with ESO+

No, you need 12 Premium Tome Tokens to earn 1 Premium + Bonuses tome. They have nothing to do with the Premium tome.

Wait so what are you saying here. That you're not getting the premium tome? If it's the premium plus tome you get, doesn't that also include the premium tome?

I am saying that an item labelled "Premium Token" not unlocking the tier called "Premium" is a terrible and blatantly misleading design decision. Frankly, now knowing the truth has made this whole system feel even worse of a FOMO moneygrab than I was anticipating the battlepass to be.

Ahhh. My mistake. We should be fair though. It kinda has to be a money grab. With no more chapters or paid dlcs, what is supposed to make up that revenue deficit? You think Microsoft cares when it comes time for Zos to pay? This is the new chapters. It's 60 a year if there's 4 seasons. That's what I would've paid for a chapter. Pretty simple imo.

PoveusRonin · April 2

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

ESO+ Should either not have a cap to the tome points that can be transferred to the next season or the reset should be after a year, or it should be significantly increased or it should be A LOT clearer when opening the cache that you can only take 2000 into the next season. A few people in my guild have 20k+ points and no desire for anything more in the current season.

So wait, they already unlocked all the pages and purchased everything they wanted and still have 20k points left? On day 1?

I thought the point was to give us activities and a reason to play at least 1 time a week the entire season. If people are finishing day 1, what's left for them for the season?

twisttop138 · April 2

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

ESO+ Should either not have a cap to the tome points that can be transferred to the next season or the reset should be after a year, or it should be significantly increased or it should be A LOT clearer when opening the cache that you can only take 2000 into the next season. A few people in my guild have 20k+ points and no desire for anything more in the current season.

So wait, they already unlocked all the pages and purchased everything they wanted and still have 20k points left? On day 1?

I thought the point was to give us activities and a reason to play at least 1 time a week the entire season. If people are finishing day 1, what's left for them for the season?

There was always going to be people that did this. I have 3 tome caches but I will probably not use them. Now if there was a bonus page with things you can claim repeatedly, in game currency or crowns, consumables etc, it would be worth grinding. In fallout, there's whole builds dedicated to beginning of season xp grind, with best ways to get to rank 100 in a few hours. They have a bonus page though, here I'll take it slow.

Sordidfairytale · April 2

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

ESO+ Should either not have a cap to the tome points that can be transferred to the next season or the reset should be after a year, or it should be significantly increased or it should be A LOT clearer when opening the cache that you can only take 2000 into the next season. A few people in my guild have 20k+ points and no desire for anything more in the current season.

So wait, they already unlocked all the pages and purchased everything they wanted and still have 20k points left? On day 1?

I thought the point was to give us activities and a reason to play at least 1 time a week the entire season. If people are finishing day 1, what's left for them for the season?

They used their Tome Cache from subscribing for a year. Opening all 12 caches will net you 24,000 tome points, plus whatever else came for free. The rest of the challenges throughout the season will only make this situation worse.

twisttop138 · April 2

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

ESO+ Should either not have a cap to the tome points that can be transferred to the next season or the reset should be after a year, or it should be significantly increased or it should be A LOT clearer when opening the cache that you can only take 2000 into the next season. A few people in my guild have 20k+ points and no desire for anything more in the current season.

So wait, they already unlocked all the pages and purchased everything they wanted and still have 20k points left? On day 1?

I thought the point was to give us activities and a reason to play at least 1 time a week the entire season. If people are finishing day 1, what's left for them for the season?

They used their Tome Cache from subscribing for a year. Opening all 12 caches will net you 24,000 tome points, plus whatever else came for free. The rest of the challenges throughout the season will only make this situation worse.

Unless they want everything though, they kinda wasted them. You can carry over 2000 points but after that, those unused points are ripped.

Sordidfairytale · April 2

twisttop138 wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

ESO+ Should either not have a cap to the tome points that can be transferred to the next season or the reset should be after a year, or it should be significantly increased or it should be A LOT clearer when opening the cache that you can only take 2000 into the next season. A few people in my guild have 20k+ points and no desire for anything more in the current season.

So wait, they already unlocked all the pages and purchased everything they wanted and still have 20k points left? On day 1?

I thought the point was to give us activities and a reason to play at least 1 time a week the entire season. If people are finishing day 1, what's left for them for the season?

They used their Tome Cache from subscribing for a year. Opening all 12 caches will net you 24,000 tome points, plus whatever else came for free. The rest of the challenges throughout the season will only make this situation worse.

Unless they want everything though, they kinda wasted them. You can carry over 2000 points but after that, those unused points are ripped.

Yeah, that's exactly the point of my post.

The carry over limit is not as clear as it should be.

twisttop138 · April 2

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

ESO+ Should either not have a cap to the tome points that can be transferred to the next season or the reset should be after a year, or it should be significantly increased or it should be A LOT clearer when opening the cache that you can only take 2000 into the next season. A few people in my guild have 20k+ points and no desire for anything more in the current season.

So wait, they already unlocked all the pages and purchased everything they wanted and still have 20k points left? On day 1?

I thought the point was to give us activities and a reason to play at least 1 time a week the entire season. If people are finishing day 1, what's left for them for the season?

They used their Tome Cache from subscribing for a year. Opening all 12 caches will net you 24,000 tome points, plus whatever else came for free. The rest of the challenges throughout the season will only make this situation worse.

Unless they want everything though, they kinda wasted them. You can carry over 2000 points but after that, those unused points are ripped.

Yeah, that's exactly the point of my post.

The carry over limit is not as clear as it should be.

I missed it lol. I'm bad at that in print. You're right though. A lot of this isn't as clear as it could be for people. I've spent half my work day hiding from my mechanics to answer questions from guild members on discord.

HalfDragoness · April 2

I was playing this morning just fine, since the season 0 launch I repeatedly get the 201 7:4:253:429 error message.

I have tried:

Restarting game client
Repairing through game client
Waiting at least 15 minutes between logins
Restarting my computer

So at the moment I'm unable to login and experience any of this.

Elvenheart · April 2

twisttop138 wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

ESO+ Should either not have a cap to the tome points that can be transferred to the next season or the reset should be after a year, or it should be significantly increased or it should be A LOT clearer when opening the cache that you can only take 2000 into the next season. A few people in my guild have 20k+ points and no desire for anything more in the current season.

So wait, they already unlocked all the pages and purchased everything they wanted and still have 20k points left? On day 1?

I thought the point was to give us activities and a reason to play at least 1 time a week the entire season. If people are finishing day 1, what's left for them for the season?

They used their Tome Cache from subscribing for a year. Opening all 12 caches will net you 24,000 tome points, plus whatever else came for free. The rest of the challenges throughout the season will only make this situation worse.

Unless they want everything though, they kinda wasted them. You can carry over 2000 points but after that, those unused points are ripped.

Yeah, that's exactly the point of my post.

The carry over limit is not as clear as it should be.

I missed it lol. I'm bad at that in print. You're right though. A lot of this isn't as clear as it could be for people. I've spent half my work day hiding from my mechanics to answer questions from guild members on discord.

I agree with this, because still in all my reading about this up until today I still haven’t seen where it says we can only carry over 2,000 Tome points, I’ve only seen that mentioned here on the forums. Even having any limit in place like that is rather disheartening, it reminds me of the 12 ticket limit we had before.

wolfie1.0. · April 2

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

PoveusRonin wrote: »

Sordidfairytale wrote: »

ESO+ Should either not have a cap to the tome points that can be transferred to the next season or the reset should be after a year, or it should be significantly increased or it should be A LOT clearer when opening the cache that you can only take 2000 into the next season. A few people in my guild have 20k+ points and no desire for anything more in the current season.

So wait, they already unlocked all the pages and purchased everything they wanted and still have 20k points left? On day 1?

I thought the point was to give us activities and a reason to play at least 1 time a week the entire season. If people are finishing day 1, what's left for them for the season?

They used their Tome Cache from subscribing for a year. Opening all 12 caches will net you 24,000 tome points, plus whatever else came for free. The rest of the challenges throughout the season will only make this situation worse.

they wasted them by doing so. the point of the Tome Cache's is that they are the mechanism by which you can carry over tomes en mass to the new season. Only redeem them if your interested in usung them for the season you are in.

if i had dont that i would be submitting a ticket with support to have them credited back as cache's again.

PeacefulAnarchy · April 2

Elvenheart wrote: »

I agree with this, because still in all my reading about this up until today I still haven’t seen where it says we can only carry over 2,000 Tome points, I’ve only seen that mentioned here on the forums. Even having any limit in place like that is rather disheartening, it reminds me of the 12 ticket limit we had before.

It's in the ingame help, I found it this morning because I had the same question.

AzuraFan · April 2

I hate that every time you complete an item, you have to claim it. It's especially bad on the gamepad UI, where a big message pops up that's really distracting until you clear it. Which isn't easy to do when you're running with a pug in a dungeon.

We didn't have to claim seals when we completed an endeavor. Can the challenges work the same way?

Rissikah · April 2

Ok, so on top of paying ESO+, battle pass, I need to also pay for silly rewards? Since they removed daily endeavors i stopped loggin into the game cause you can do those in couple days lazily... I can clearly see that they only count on new players who think it's ok. Screw old players..

Elvenheart · April 2

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Elvenheart wrote: »

I agree with this, because still in all my reading about this up until today I still haven’t seen where it says we can only carry over 2,000 Tome points, I’ve only seen that mentioned here on the forums. Even having any limit in place like that is rather disheartening, it reminds me of the 12 ticket limit we had before.

It's in the ingame help, I found it this morning because I had the same question.

Thank you for pointing that out, I forgot to add that I’ve watched all of the developer updates and ESO directs and I don’t even remember it being mentioned then.

LootAllTheStuff · April 2

Rissikah wrote: »

Ok, so on top of paying ESO+, battle pass, I need to also pay for silly rewards? Since they removed daily endeavors i stopped loggin into the game cause you can do those in couple days lazily... I can clearly see that they only count on new players who think it's ok. Screw old players..

No, you don't. A certain base level of rewards are available even without ESO+. Adding ESO+ adds more tiers, and then there's the whole premium token thing mentioned above which I haven't wrapped my head around yet but am probably not going to be too bothered with.

virtus753 · April 2

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

Rissikah wrote: »

Ok, so on top of paying ESO+, battle pass, I need to also pay for silly rewards? Since they removed daily endeavors i stopped loggin into the game cause you can do those in couple days lazily... I can clearly see that they only count on new players who think it's ok. Screw old players..

No, you don't. A certain base level of rewards are available even without ESO+. Adding ESO+ adds more tiers, and then there's the whole premium token thing mentioned above which I haven't wrapped my head around yet but am probably not going to be too bothered with.

ESO+ does not directly add tiers of a Tome beyond the free track. It gives you: 1) its typical 10% currency boost to Tome Points acquired; 2) 1 cache of Tome Points per month (containing 2,000 TP) to apply to a season of your choice; 3) 1 credit per month towards the purchase of a Premium + Bonus Tome (12 credits required per Tome) in place of real world currency.

There are three tiers of the Tome:

Free - accessible to everyone for the duration of the season. Earn Tome Points to access later pages and to purchase items from this track. The free track (along with the whole Tome) expires at the end of the season unless you upgrade to one of the following:

Premium - pay to access this track, then earn Tome Points to purchase the items on this track. Purchasing this upgrade also makes the items in the Tome available for you to earn permanently, whereas the Tome normally expires at the end of the season. ESO+ does not grant you this tier on its own, nor does it keep the Tome permanently available.

Premium + Bonus - in addition to Premium, this tier also grants a unique cosmetic (applied immediately, no Tome Points required) plus two caches of Tome Points. Normally paid with real world currency. Each full month of ESO+ grants 1 credit (Premium Tome Token), and 12 credits can be turned in to get the Premium + Bonus for a single season in place of paying real world currency.

Radiate77 · April 2

Bit of feedback regarding the Vigor Skill Styles, I really like the ground projections, but am finding the sun & moon that float above your head to be too much.

It’s reminding me of the Heart we just fought to have removed over Dragonknight’s head when using Dragon Blood and likewise I would appreciate if those two symbols would be looked at…