I really appreciate how you put that. It's easy to forget how much pressure those daily habits add. Here's hoping the new system gives us all a bit more breathing room.

3/3/2026

SummersetCitizen wrote: »

Depressing, in my view.

After months of devaluing daily logins, many players have likely been conditioned to see them as pointless. For years, though, they were something I genuinely looked forward to… especially the daily and weekly endeavors.

Now it feels as though we are being asked to jump through more hoops to earn the same rewards.

When the daily rewards first came out, I was one of the people who gave feedback that it felt too much like we were being enticed to log in every day and look in the Crown Store (thus making the concept feel slightly predatory and aimed at selling more limited time offerings in the Crown Store), and therefore it did not feel like a reward for playing the game so much as a reward for changing your habits. I think it would have been nice if players who missed a few days could claim the rewards for all days in between (until the month turned over), and I also would have liked to see rewards that were not useful to the player be able to be broken down into a Crown Gem or endeavor.

That said, I saw ZOS listen to the feedback about how punishing it was to players who can't play every day, and they migrated the "big" or "unique" rewards to much earlier in the month, and since then, because of this, I began to enjoy them. I did not feel overlooked as a player anymore as I was always able to grab the more special rewards just with my weekend login schedule. It will be interesting to me to see if Tamriel Tomes will be an improvement or a step backward.

I also have always enjoyed the endeavor system, as it was building up a currency, not snagging a specific reward, so again it will be interesting to see if the new system feels like we are getting rewarded more frequently for "things we do regularly" or if the endeavors become less accessible. IIRC I thought I heard a reference in one of the streams that ZOS received feedback that the daily endeavors felt like pressure, so they are turning it more into things you can take your time doing... but I always looked at it differently. If I didn't like the choices for daily endeavors, I could wait until the next day and they'd be sure to be different!

Beta tester here and sub from day 1.... this just made my mind up (along with the constant nerfing of sets and classes, making solo play an afterthought now) ...Im out and unsubbing. And no you cant haz my stuff.

having to actually login and earn stuff is better and if you dont wanna do it oh well i guess gives me and my friends more stuff to do on guild event night and not have to worry about getting items we didnt need

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We never got more than a couple of super nice items for free with the daily logins in a quarter. So, that there are additional cosmetics available by spending money is no big difference really. There only needs to be a small amount of nice things in the Tomes each season to give us the equivalent amount of free stuff.

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We will get the first tier of the Tomes for free. So, everyone will be able to get the rewards at their own pace. As for the two paid tiers of the Tomes... They are not that much different from Crown crates (except there is no gambling involved). If you did not buy the cosmetics from the Crown crates with real money before you can continue not spending real money on those two tiers of the Tomes.

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This set of challenges are more like: collect resources, craft something, do guests, use your class attacks . . .
There was a couple that were group focused, like do group dungeons, but you can ignore those and still get the points that will buy what you want. Give them a look at least.

I understand that you believe that TESO game is meaning to push spending more money. I saw where they did have a purchase option; however, it isn't that great for rewards on the PTS. I cannot say what it will look like in the live version. I do not intend to spend money because I don't like to group in this game. I think you can play well without it.

I would recommend doing some of the solo challenges to get a few hundred or thousand endeavor coins to purchase those daily reward items that you want. It doesn't cost anything and most of them can be done just playing the game the way you want to play.

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I know that, but I'm asking more about the whole system. For example, Solstice, West Weald, etc., lots of Antiquities (furnishings, mythics, etc.). Not just one new Mythic, but I'm interested in what Antiquities will look like in the future (at least this year, when there probably won't be a new zone...).

If Endeavours were genuinely your primary reason for logging into ESO, then I honestly don’t know what game some of you think you’ve been playing. It certainly wasn’t the game the rest of us have been enjoying.

Contrary to some hysterical clucking the sky has fallen, this change did not materialise out of thin air, nor was it unleashed upon us in some sinister grand act of developer betrayal. It came directly from one of the most common feedback topics raised over time. The information exists. It has been posted. It has been spoken about. It has been explained. Repeatedly over the months leading up to the change.

The narrative pushed by some here that communication has somehow failed is nonsense. The developers communicated through the same official channels they have used for years; the launcher, forums, announcements, articles, twitch, and so forth. Places that take all of thirty seconds to check, and everyone has access to at least one of these. If there is any real issue here it is not a lack of information, but an apparent expectation by some that it should arrive effectively gift-wrapped, personally delivered, and impossible to ignore.

And what are we talking about? Arguably, a minor system change. At some point, personal responsibility has to enter the conversation. If someone chooses not to keep up with official news, that's perfectly fine, but surprise and sometimes temporary confusion afterwards is the natural consequence of that choice, this is not evidence of developer failure.

It is perhaps harsh, but; stop blaming everyone else and look at what you can improve to make things more enjoyable for yourself in future. The cycle of confusion, blame, and exaggerated grievance every time something shifts even slightly has become far too common on these forums over the years.

I try to be open minded and give changes to the game a fair chance before deciding whether or not I like them, but here's the thing I noticed immediately.
I don't have to log into the game today. And if I do, there's really nothing for me to do. Since I have limited online gaming time maybe i'll use the time for something else.
So for me personally, my player engagement has decreased.

Rev Rielle wrote: »

If Endeavours were genuinely your primary reason for logging into ESO, then I honestly don’t know what game some of you think you’ve been playing. It certainly wasn’t the game the rest of us have been enjoying.

Contrary to some hysterical clucking the sky has fallen, this change did not materialise out of thin air, nor was it unleashed upon us in some sinister grand act of developer betrayal. It came directly from one of the most common feedback topics raised over time. The information exists. It has been posted. It has been spoken about. It has been explained. Repeatedly over the months leading up to the change.

The narrative pushed by some here that communication has somehow failed is nonsense. The developers communicated through the same official channels they have used for years; the launcher, forums, announcements, articles, twitch, and so forth. Places that take all of thirty seconds to check, and everyone has access to at least one of these. If there is any real issue here it is not a lack of information, but an apparent expectation by some that it should arrive effectively gift-wrapped, personally delivered, and impossible to ignore.

And what are we talking about? Arguably, a minor system change. At some point, personal responsibility has to enter the conversation. If someone chooses not to keep up with official news, that's perfectly fine, but surprise and sometimes temporary confusion afterwards is the natural consequence of that choice, this is not evidence of developer failure.

It is perhaps harsh, but; stop blaming everyone else and look at what you can improve to make things more enjoyable for yourself in future. The cycle of confusion, blame, and exaggerated grievance every time something shifts even slightly has become far too common on these forums over the years.

It is not necessary to be condescending, especially after a posted reminder of the fora rules.
The daily rewards were an incentive to log in and start playing. For some folks, it did its job well. Those folks needed a little push to log in and start playing; they are not playing a different game.

Communication is bilateral. This means that the both the speaker and the listener must be engaged. If the speaker is publishing in locations that the intended target does not frequent, then there is a failure in communication. The suggested location, in-game announcements in the same fashion as events are announced and replacing the 'daily rewards are not available' statement with an announcement of the change is an reasonable expectations.

Dismissing the comments, experience, feelings of other players is also too common. Let us respect our differences and understand that different players are going to respond differently. Understanding goes a lot farther than accusatory finger-pointing.

I think some folks feel upset or unsettled with this change because they did not expect it. For them, daily log in rewards were as much a part of the game as farming, completing daily quests, or making dungeon runs. Checking outside sources for information regarding the game may not be on their list of to-dos. ==> the daily rewards was the motivation behind my logging in to play the game. Without the daily rewards, I do not feel compelled to open the game; therefore, I will likely not log in and start playing. Getting started is half the journey.
Since there are many changes coming this year, it seems to me that finding a focused location for announcements is worth the time spent. I like the idea of using the same venue as the event announcements in game. Posting it a week to 10 days before the change would help to ensure that everyone gets the message and have time to seek out more information before the execution of the change.

I mean, there is still a couple of incentives to log in daily, such as collecting mats from hireling mails if you invested skill points into this, or looting the daily Dragonguard supply chest in Tideholm for some rare alchemy ingredients incl Rheum.

tomfant wrote: »

I mean, there is still a couple of incentives to log in daily, such as collecting mats from hireling mails if you invested skill points into this, or looting the daily Dragonguard supply chest in Tideholm for some rare alchemy ingredients incl Rheum.

The materials provided by the hirelings are not great.
The Dragonguard chest only applies to those players that completed that questline.
There could be incentives for those who farm materials and gear. Not so much for players that are not into min/maxing or selling through guild stores.

like it or not, the daily reward incentive is gone. Players will have to create their own incentive or just not log in when they aren't feeling it.