You've Never Done This Before - Why Now?

Gabriel_H · March 3

Not the most important thing I know, but I really don't like the precedent you are trying to set ZOS.

This needs correcting, or at the least a guarantee you won't do this again.

whitecrow · March 3

They did do it before, not too long ago. New Life maybe?

It would be bothersome if it was a unique reward, but scrolls are a dime a dozen.

El_Borracho · March 3

This one seems to be around all the time. You got to throw a bone to the new players with these things, especially since there are way more options than are required. Imagine if all of the Golden Pursuits were "Do 10 Trials," or "Do 10 Group Dungeons," or the dreaded "Do One Tales of Tribute Match"

SilverIce58 · March 3

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Not the most important thing I know, but I really don't like the precedent you are trying to set ZOS.

This needs correcting, or at the least a guarantee you won't do this again.

What is that? An exp scroll? Why do you need it if you already have your skills maxed?

GloatingSwine · March 3

El_Borracho wrote: »

This one seems to be around all the time. You got to throw a bone to the new players with these things, especially since there are way more options than are required. Imagine if all of the Golden Pursuits were "Do 10 Trials," or "Do 10 Group Dungeons," or the dreaded "Do One Tales of Tribute Match"

You'd think doing 10 trials would be long but you can just do nHRC and blitz through it. (If you have a good group you could do AS+2 or CR+3, but HRC is old and short and a free win on normal).

twisttop138 · March 3

El_Borracho wrote: »

This one seems to be around all the time. You got to throw a bone to the new players with these things, especially since there are way more options than are required. Imagine if all of the Golden Pursuits were "Do 10 Trials," or "Do 10 Group Dungeons," or the dreaded "Do One Tales of Tribute Match"

When can we get this pursuit. It sounds fun. Except tribute. I'd set something on fire. Metaphorically.

Gabriel, you're usually on the money but I think you may be incorrect this time. It may not have been 10 but level a skill line has for sure been around before.

DoofusMax · March 3

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Not the most important thing I know, but I really don't like the precedent you are trying to set ZOS.

This needs correcting, or at the least a guarantee you won't do this again.

<deleted orginal> misread the "skill line" bit.

Ehhh... Except for one character, I've still got skill lines that can be progressed.

Cruxanero · March 3

SilverIce58 wrote: »

What is that? An exp scroll? Why do you need it if you already have your skills maxed?

Because xp scrolls are also useful for leveling CP?

Danikat · March 3

GloatingSwine wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

This one seems to be around all the time. You got to throw a bone to the new players with these things, especially since there are way more options than are required. Imagine if all of the Golden Pursuits were "Do 10 Trials," or "Do 10 Group Dungeons," or the dreaded "Do One Tales of Tribute Match"

You'd think doing 10 trials would be long but you can just do nHRC and blitz through it. (If you have a good group you could do AS+2 or CR+3, but HRC is old and short and a free win on normal).

Sure you can, and I probably could. But a new player who is still levelling their first character couldn't, at least not faster than they could gain 10 levels in skills (something they'd probably need to do as part of getting ready for even a normal trial). That's what @El_Borracho is saying - it's an alternative for new players who can't yet do even normal trials, at least not easily.

That's part of why there's always more options than required, so it covers lots of different circumstances.

Arunei · March 3

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Not the most important thing I know, but I really don't like the precedent you are trying to set ZOS.

This needs correcting, or at the least a guarantee you won't do this again.

They HAVE done this one before, a couple of times now actually I believe. What 'precedent' are you against? What needs correcting or to not be done again? Every single GP there are people who get upset over one specific task; there are twenty-seven and you only need to do twenty. If you don't want to level a Skill Line, there are others to choose from.

Also leveling a Skill Line that you haven't touched is actually pretty fast and easy, as I doubt there are many people who've leveled EVERY Skill Line on ALL their characters to max, or even touched most Skill Lines on their characters.

frogthroat · March 3

El_Borracho wrote: »

This one seems to be around all the time. You got to throw a bone to the new players with these things, especially since there are way more options than are required. Imagine if all of the Golden Pursuits were "Do 10 Trials," or "Do 10 Group Dungeons," or the dreaded "Do One Tales of Tribute Match"

I think the point is that you get 100% XP scrolls from that. Not all pursuits give an extra bonus. But those that do should be possible to complete even if you have played the game for a while.

Last time I just equipped s&b on one DD character and beamed until I had s&b level 11.

But for example, improve horse 3 times has been. If that comes again (which I think will once the stable revamp is done) but has some extra bonus I will not be able to get that unless I delete a character.

DenverRalphy · March 3

Anyone who's maxed every skill line on every possible character (of which there are maybe a handful), isn't after XP scrolls anymore.

The individual objective rewards are daily login replacements. Which veteran players typically don't much care about. The Seals are the threshold/capstone rewards of which veteran players would be after.

Xarc · March 3

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Not the most important thing I know, but I really don't like the precedent you are trying to set ZOS.

This needs correcting, or at the least a guarantee you won't do this again.

this is to reward new players, with their new character, or old ones who start a character again
It's the same as what rewards you for having fed to improve your mount 5 times, when everything is at the max on 20 characters...

frogthroat · March 3

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Anyone who's maxed every skill line on every possible character (of which there are maybe a handful), isn't after XP scrolls anymore.

The individual objective rewards are daily login replacements. Which veteran players typically don't much care about. The Seals are the threshold/capstone rewards of which veteran players would be after.

1. Although I have (almost) maxed out all skill lines on all characters, I am still a mere CP2300. Not even close to be half way to CP3600, XP-wise.
2. FOMO
3. People see shiny, people want shiny.
4. This is the most important part: now it's an XP scroll. Next time it could be tristats and we all love tristats.

whitecrow · March 3

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Anyone who's maxed every skill line on every possible character (of which there are maybe a handful), isn't after XP scrolls anymore.

Well, there's levelling companions. The scrolls affect them as well.

spartaxoxo · March 3

There's got to be alternatives for new characters.

scrappy1342 · March 3

i got a chuckle when i saw level something 10 times to get an xp scroll. definitely one of the 7 i probably won't be doing. if for some reason i decide i need to, i'll just pick up a new skill somewhere and join the dolmen run, which will also count for other pursuits.

AzuraFan · March 3

If I needed that item to get the capstone, I'd just create an alt and do dolmens or something.

coop500 · March 3

The entitlement and dooming over one XP scroll is insane, and this is the kind of stuff that's going to burn out the devs when we should be focusing on actually important things.
Please don't end up being the reason why they stop communicating again.

virtus753 · March 3

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There's got to be alternatives for new characters.

Do those easily accessible activities need to 1) be exclusionary of part of the player base and also 2) have a specific reward attached to them?

Here's what a couple of alternatives could have looked like:

-Put it behind an extant activity like the Harvesting 25 nodes, which is easily done on any character. Much more easily done for many than the dungeon one or the scribing one, for example.

-I also would have liked to see them include an activity to respec skills or attributes via the UI, which will be available (for free) on Monday. That would have drawn attention to the change and encouraged people to become familiar with the new UI respec. And everyone will be able to do that easily.

El_Borracho · March 3

@twisttop138 and @GloatingSwine Don't get me wrong, I love seeing the Trials/Dungeons in the pursuits or endeavors. I was only thinking of when I was a noob if I saw those pop up I wouldn't think they were as attainable as they are

Aylish · March 3

This task was in GP before but it was never tied to a separate reward. At least not that I remember.
It‘s just one XP scroll though.

Arunei · March 3

virtus753 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There's got to be alternatives for new characters.

Do those easily accessible activities need to 1) be exclusionary of part of the player base and also 2) have a specific reward attached to them?

Here's what a couple of alternatives could have looked like:

-Put it behind an extant activity like the Harvesting 25 nodes, which is easily done on any character. Much more easily done for many than the dungeon one or the scribing one, for example.

-I also would have liked to see them include an activity to respec skills or attributes via the UI, which will be available (for free) on Monday. That would have drawn attention to the change and encouraged people to become familiar with the new UI respec. And everyone will be able to do that easily.

1) The number of players who are going to have fully leveled EVERY SKILL LINE on ALL their characters isn't going to be a big enough one that it's 'excluding' whole swathes of players. It's like if people who have max CP get upset over a Pursuit that rewards earning CP. The majority of players aren't going to be affected, and for those that are, there are several other Pursuits to do so you aren't locked out. (Yes I know this happened before)

2)...it's an exp scroll. It's literally something we've been getting every month for years. It's not a unique Collectible or Title or anything like that. It's a single exp scroll. Are people really going to feel cheated out of a single exp scroll if they just so happen to have, for whatever reason, decided to spend an insane amount of time maxing every Skill Line for all their characters?

shadyjane62 · March 3

I made 100 Glyphs and had my two lower alts extract them. Done on both quests.

tsaescishoeshiner · March 3

A) There are more options for players who don't want to do this one. It's not required.

2) Unless you have all your character slots full and maxed in all skills possible skills, this is doable for any player, no matter their playstyle.

SeaGtGruff · March 3

This is definitely not new, and had been included before in Golden Pursuits (and possibly in Weekly Endeavors?) on at least two other occasions that I can recall. Whenever it has come up, I've tried to level up one or more skill lines on my characters. It might be difficult to believe, but my PCNA and PCEU mains still have a number of skill lines that haven't been fully leveled up yet-- mostly Weapon skill lines that they rarely use.

spartaxoxo · March 3

virtus753 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There's got to be alternatives for new characters.

Do those easily accessible activities need to 1) be exclusionary of part of the player base and also 2) have a specific reward attached to them?

Here's what a couple of alternatives could have looked like:

-Put it behind an extant activity like the Harvesting 25 nodes, which is easily done on any character. Much more easily done for many than the dungeon one or the scribing one, for example.

-I also would have liked to see them include an activity to respec skills or attributes via the UI, which will be available (for free) on Monday. That would have drawn attention to the change and encouraged people to become familiar with the new UI respec. And everyone will be able to do that easily.

They need enough tasks that everyone get all of them and more new players are excluded from being able to do stuff like trials than this would effect. The only people who can't do it are the ones who have all 18 characters maxed out in every skill line. This means they can all wield every weapon as well. There's probably very few people excluded and those people probably don't need an exp scroll anyway. They have alternate tasks so everyone can finish the pursuit.

wolfie1.0. · March 3

Its not the first time

spartaxoxo wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There's got to be alternatives for new characters.

Do those easily accessible activities need to 1) be exclusionary of part of the player base and also 2) have a specific reward attached to them?

Here's what a couple of alternatives could have looked like:

-Put it behind an extant activity like the Harvesting 25 nodes, which is easily done on any character. Much more easily done for many than the dungeon one or the scribing one, for example.

-I also would have liked to see them include an activity to respec skills or attributes via the UI, which will be available (for free) on Monday. That would have drawn attention to the change and encouraged people to become familiar with the new UI respec. And everyone will be able to do that easily.

They need enough tasks that everyone get all of them and more new players are excluded from being able to do stuff like trials than this would effect. The only people who can't do it are the ones who have all 18 characters maxed out in every skill line. This means they can all wield every weapon as well. There's probably very few people excluded and those people probably don't need an exp scroll anyway. They have alternate tasks so everyone can finish the pursuit.

The max character slots are at 20 now...

And if someone has 20 characters with all skill lines maxed... congrats.

peacenote · March 3

I feel like I have seen this before - almost certain it's not a new idea to this Golden Pursuit.

I think it's absolutely fine if it is tied to a non-rare/non-unique reward that can be acquired other ways. After AwA, it is nice to see anything given for people leveling new characters (or new players). Any and all consumables is fine with me.

What's not fine is when they make achievements like this that are clearly aimed for new players but are things experienced players did a long time ago, thus giving those players a date that's more "when this achievement was introduced" as opposed to "when they actually did the activity" which is confusing and not fun.

I also think that it would be less than ideal if something like this was tied to a special reward (which an XP scroll really isn't).

Enemoriana · March 3

Leveling skill lines already was, and as for reward... you leveled all skills on all characters? Including legerdemain, scrying and all subclassing? And you still need xp scrolls and can't afford few aetherial ambrosia?

SpiritofESO · March 3

Personally I do not like and have never liked Alts... there are certain games or certain times when they are helpful. Actually, I have deleted all my Alts and only play my Main Character now who basically can do everything!

However, if I really wanted that particular Golden Pursuit, I would simply create a new and highly disposable Alt and run it through a simple skill line, say, for example, an Armor skill line, and that would do nicely... then I would delete the Alt.

Easy-peasy.