Please update the base game motifs, and further to that the first 50 or so motifs

aspergalas4 · February 27

That is all

Rkindaleft · February 28

Nah, I'd rather they just release new versions of old styles like they started to do with Ancestral. Some people like the way their characters look and don't want them ruined.

Arunei · February 28

Years ago ZOS updated/changed textures on the original Redguard Motif and received such a backlash that they made the policy of no longer changing the appearance of Collectibles unless it's a fix to some sort of bug with it. The only way we'll get updated versions of a lot of older Motifs is if they keep releasing things like Ancient/Ancestral ____ or whatever. For Motifs that are from more modern things like current cults (Worm Cult for example) or whatever, they could name it ____ Redeux or such.

Attorneyatlawl · February 28

Rkindaleft wrote: »

Nah, I'd rather they just release new versions of old styles like they started to do with Ancestral. Some people like the way their characters look and don't want them ruined.

Agreed.

spartaxoxo · February 28

I actually hope they rethink that policy but are careful about it. I wouldn't them to change things like how it dyes or the cut/styling but the textures could be made crisper and less muddy.

Arunei · February 28

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I actually hope they rethink that policy but are careful about it. I wouldn't them to change things like how it dyes or the cut/styling but the textures could be made crisper and less muddy.

This is VERY true. Just like that one wiry poodle looking dog model they use for Barbas, it's so horribly textured at this point, they REALLY need to update the model so its not just like 8 polygons in the rough shape of a four-legged animal. Heck the Skyrim model for him looks more modern and less...*waves hands madly...than the ESO model.

Lykeion · February 28

If it's just a resolution upgrade, I'm all for it. Some of the motifs do feel pretty outdated. As for what happened with the Redguard motif before, I really don't get it. It feels more like a completely new style page, with no connection to the original at all...

aspergalas4 · February 28

I appreciate the replies and that people don't want their favourite styles "changed", I am advocating strictly for upgrading the detail of the armour meshes and improving the textures without changing the base design and original feel of the motifs. Ancestral motifs at least in the case of the high elf motif actually stray from the original design somewhat which I don't think is what's needed, and personally don't see them releasing any more ancestral styles anyway (I hope because they do plan to update the older styles).

In any case they all need updating, the Redguard Motif controversy was because they redesigned it from being more skimpy to covering more of the body and it felt like an entirely new motif.

Would like them updated so I can mix and match the Bosmer or Primal motif and the various tiered pieces with the Recollection style for example, currently the quality gap is too much for it work. The High elf motif is a perfect example of why an update is needed, particularly the medium tiers. Imagine the heavy Khajiit helmets upscaled? Dunmer and Ancient Elf in general?

All these styles that are great in terms of the actual design, but sorely outdated. Its a shame, its the first 50/60 or so motifs that need it most. Lots of textures that are too shiny or just feel like they were made by a different studio amongst the earlier DLC motifs and feel imported into the game in comparison to the newer styles.

BretonMage · February 28

Arunei wrote: »

Years ago ZOS updated/changed textures on the original Redguard Motif and received such a backlash that they made the policy of no longer changing the appearance of Collectibles unless it's a fix to some sort of bug with it. The only way we'll get updated versions of a lot of older Motifs is if they keep releasing things like Ancient/Ancestral ____ or whatever. For Motifs that are from more modern things like current cults (Worm Cult for example) or whatever, they could name it ____ Redeux or such.

That was a complete redesign. I think it's possible, and desirable, to update textures without completely changing the design.

Similarly for old base game furnishings, which are really starting to show their age.

code65536 · February 28

One step at a time.

First, they still haven't even finished the refresh of the original 14 motifs:

High Elf: Ancestral High Elf
Dark Elf: None
Wood Elf: None
Nord: Ancestral Nord
Breton: Ancestral Breton
Redguard: None
Khajiit: None
Orc: Ancestral Orc
Argonian: None
Imperial: House Hexos
Ancient Elf: None
Barbaric: Ancestral Reach
Primal: None
Daedric: Ancient Daedric

So, of the original 14, only half have gotten refreshed versions. And, more importantly, there haven't been any further updates since 2022. Ancestral Breton was the most recent refresh, and that's almost 4 years old at this point.

katanagirl1 · February 28

I would prefer a straight-up resolution increase for the older motifs instead of Ancestral motifs. The Ancestral ones were locked behind horrible treasure map rng, I still don’t even have two of them completed yet. As mentioned above, the old original ones just look so blurry and shiny that no one on a new PC or current-gen console is going to use them.

wolfie1.0. · February 28

If zos released a new weapon (doesnt matter what so long as its not a staff, or can use existing models) then it would be the prefect opportunity to clean up the older motif styles.

The reason for this woild be because something new like spear, crossbow, wand, etc woild require them to go back and add new styles to the old motifs, which would give opportunity to update the whole thing.

aspergalas4 · February 28

code65536 wrote: »

One step at a time.

First, they still haven't even finished the refresh of the original 14 motifs:
High Elf: Ancestral High Elf

Dark Elf: None

Wood Elf: None

Nord: Ancestral Nord

Breton: Ancestral Breton

Redguard: None

Khajiit: None

Orc: Ancestral Orc

Argonian: None

Imperial: House Hexos

Ancient Elf: None

Barbaric: Ancestral Reach

Primal: None

Daedric: Ancient Daedric

So, of the original 14, only half have gotten refreshed versions. And, more importantly, there haven't been any further updates since 2022. Ancestral Breton was the most recent refresh, and that's almost 4 years old at this point.

I don't think you can make the argument that all the styles listed are refreshed versions of the base game styles. As they stray from the original designs in multiple cases (some more than others granted, Hexos and Reach are pretty much the same designs and proves the point its needed as who uses the barbaric style these days?).

The vanilla armours are great design wise and need to be brought up to the same quality as the newer styles. Basically do what was done with Hexos and Reach to all the tiers of the vanilla sets (not just the top tier). Imagine the vanilla daedric armour sets but with ancient daedric texture and mesh quality. Or the Bosmer and Khajiit Heavy tiers? Do it ZOS.

Enemoriana · February 28

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I would prefer a straight-up resolution increase for the older motifs instead of Ancestral motifs. The Ancestral ones were locked behind horrible treasure map rng, I still don’t even have two of them completed yet. As mentioned above, the old original ones just look so blurry and shiny that no one on a new PC or current-gen console is going to use them.

I play on max quality and one of my favourite costumes is Centurion Field Armor, which is actually a lowlevel imperial armor.
I prefer old imperial style to Hexos. I also do not like how chests are much more massive in many ancestral styles.

katanagirl1 · 5:04AM

Enemoriana wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I would prefer a straight-up resolution increase for the older motifs instead of Ancestral motifs. The Ancestral ones were locked behind horrible treasure map rng, I still don’t even have two of them completed yet. As mentioned above, the old original ones just look so blurry and shiny that no one on a new PC or current-gen console is going to use them.

I play on max quality and one of my favourite costumes is Centurion Field Armor, which is actually a lowlevel imperial armor.
I prefer old imperial style to Hexos. I also do not like how chests are much more massive in many ancestral styles.

OK I see what you mean. If they updated the resolution for the old style you would still use it and it would look different than the newer one, right? There are many older styles that I like better but if I try to mix and match with newer styles they just don’t work. So I think essentially you are agreeing with me in your last sentence if you do not like the Ancestral version.

aspergalas4 · 8:19AM

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I would prefer a straight-up resolution increase for the older motifs instead of Ancestral motifs. The Ancestral ones were locked behind horrible treasure map rng, I still don’t even have two of them completed yet. As mentioned above, the old original ones just look so blurry and shiny that no one on a new PC or current-gen console is going to use them.

I play on max quality and one of my favourite costumes is Centurion Field Armor, which is actually a lowlevel imperial armor.
I prefer old imperial style to Hexos. I also do not like how chests are much more massive in many ancestral styles.

OK I see what you mean. If they updated the resolution for the old style you would still use it and it would look different than the newer one, right? There are many older styles that I like better but if I try to mix and match with newer styles they just don’t work. So I think essentially you are agreeing with me in your last sentence if you do not like the Ancestral version.

Yeah it's safe to assume there is no reason NOT to update the base game motifs based on this reply. Enemoriana likes the design, they aren't attached to the lower poly mesh and inferior texturing specifically. They'd continue to use their favourite costume and prefer it if it looked better.

Radiate77 · 8:41AM

The base game looks hideous by comparison.
Very few motif combinations have stood the test of time for NPCs, and I would also be in favor of giving significant NPCs like Darien a unique, evolving outfit.

Enemoriana · 9:21AM

katanagirl1 wrote: »

OK I see what you mean. If they updated the resolution for the old style you would still use it and it would look different than the newer one, right? There are many older styles that I like better but if I try to mix and match with newer styles they just don’t work. So I think essentially you are agreeing with me in your last sentence if you do not like the Ancestral version.

Everything depends on how style is updated.
Texture, only material details? Quite safe.
Texture, adding more item details? Can change too much. As example, I like those imperial armor exactly for being simple, without bunch of decorative things.
Mesh? Absolutely not safe, it has very high chance to change things somebody like, because even small change of chests form can drastically change how it looks on character. A bit safer with other parts, but still.

Would I use updated imperial armor? Nobody knows until exact armor is equipped on exact character.

katanagirl1 · 6:40PM

Enemoriana wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

OK I see what you mean. If they updated the resolution for the old style you would still use it and it would look different than the newer one, right? There are many older styles that I like better but if I try to mix and match with newer styles they just don’t work. So I think essentially you are agreeing with me in your last sentence if you do not like the Ancestral version.

Everything depends on how style is updated.
Texture, only material details? Quite safe.
Texture, adding more item details? Can change too much. As example, I like those imperial armor exactly for being simple, without bunch of decorative things.
Mesh? Absolutely not safe, it has very high chance to change things somebody like, because even small change of chests form can drastically change how it looks on character. A bit safer with other parts, but still.

Would I use updated imperial armor? Nobody knows until exact armor is equipped on exact character.

I am advocating just a resolution update, no changes other than that. Of course it is up to them to implement it and as we all know we don’t always get exactly what we ask for. I thought the base zone update was just resolution but they did add things, though nothing that bothers me. This is probably at the bottom of the list of their priorities anyway.

joshisanonymous · 7:21PM

I'd actually kind of like to see the opposite. The original motifs had different appearances when using lower level crafting materials. I wish that was a thing for all the higher level motifs. I get that they're supposed to be fancier than the basic racial ones, but were there really no such things as low-class Welkynar or Dwemers? They were really just all dressed to the nines?

Faltasë · 8:07PM

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I actually hope they rethink that policy but are careful about it. I wouldn't them to change things like how it dyes or the cut/styling but the textures could be made crisper and less muddy.

True the textures are so... Unbelievably low res on some older costumes and motifs. It would be great if we could get those updated to modern texture fidelity.

Syldras · 8:28PM

joshisanonymous wrote: »

I'd actually kind of like to see the opposite. The original motifs had different appearances when using lower level crafting materials. I wish that was a thing for all the higher level motifs. I get that they're supposed to be fancier than the basic racial ones, but were there really no such things as low-class Welkynar or Dwemers? They were really just all dressed to the nines?

I'm not against having variants where it makes sense. But the Welkynars aren't the best example - they're an order of Altmer elite knights and the "Welkynar style" is their uniform.