Gabriel_H wrote: »

Vampirism is not magic, it is the manifestation of daedric princes power, which requires worship to manifest in Nirn. In this case, Molag Bal.

That's not how how it works in TES at all. Princes do not require worship for their powers nor for it to manifest anywhere, this is not DnD. Someone doesn't stop being a vampire because they hate him, don't worship Bal, and even directly oppose him and/or worship someone else. In fact a lot of vampires are not his worshippers but were very unwilling to become vampires. It's kinda the point.

Iirc Sanguine Vampires are fan-speculation of the lore,

Lol no. We don't have that much information about it (and I've taken the opportunity to try ask about it in any fitting lorearchive without answer), but we have enough information to know it's not some fan-speculation. We have a whole dungeon with a clan of Sanguine worshipping khajiit vampires with unique blood powers, in khajiit faith he's Sangiin the Blood Cat and is the deity connected to vampirism with not a hint of Molag Bal, and we even have Zerith-var within the latest years adding to this by relating anything vampiric the players does to Sangiin.

This is, despite the lack of information, clearly not on the same level as the Cyrodiilic Order with their Clavicus Vile altered vampirism from Bal, with both being kinda their patron.

All 3 still require a connection to a daedric prince though, which Lamae is not - so a shrine to Lamae would make zero sense.

There's not a single source that say all 3 require..whatever it is you're implying. Bal created a curse-disease-daedric possesion, same did Hircine, and so could other princes if they wanted, nothing stops them from doing similar things or even copying their homework. People afflicted with these diseases can also devote themselves to anyone they want, being devoted worshippers to another prince is even one of the more certain ways to avoid going to Coldharbour/Hunting Grounds upon death.

Which leads to, people can make shrines to anyone they want. People make and could do a shrine to their local hero, saint, cult leader, their dog, memorial, praising skrib jelly and so on. Lamae is the first vampire, she's a clan and cult leader, people would make shrines to her, and in this thread's case it's someone who is part of her cult and adores her, so it makes perfect sense they would make a shrine to her. It also make sense for her to defile any shrine to Bal she sees because of it too.

I would point out that them continuing to be vampires and spreading the corruption very much would be something he wants.

No one has said it doesn't? Bal made an easily spread disease, he wants it to and mock Arkay. Lamae is a victim of it and hates both, but she can't really stop being a vampire beyond killing herself which would send her straight to Bal because she got no other prince to take her. Curing vampirism in lore is not an easy thing, it's pretty much unheard of for many, a thing of legend, so from her view, her only option is to stay a vampire. As to why she makes more vampires despite her hatred for Bal, it's not something we have been told, her reasons and much about her is left untold. Maybe it's based on her hatred for Arkay, or some reason that isn't very logical. She was a simple priest, then she went through something extremely traumatic with no one answering her calls for help, not even her god, which then turned her into a monster shaped by her perpetrator, changing her forever and is a constant reminder of what he did. That definitely affected her, can't imagine anyone walking from that unchanged, and what is left may not be healthy nor logical. Her first victims weren't even done on purpose, but caused in her newly awoken feral state.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Also, this is not something I want to hear from our loremaster, it reads as something not so positive regarding lore consistency and errors for me. Kinda like you leave in errors or bad implementations without much care and let players jump through loops and and weird reasonings to try explain these errors.

But TES lore has always been contradictory and full of "unreliable narrators"...

Enemoriana wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Also, this is not something I want to hear from our loremaster, it reads as something not so positive regarding lore consistency and errors for me. Kinda like you leave in errors or bad implementations without much care and let players jump through loops and and weird reasonings to try explain these errors.

But TES lore has always been contradictory and full of "unreliable narrators"...

Yes, the whole setting is based on unreliable narrator, but not everything can be excused by that. It's mainly how books and words from characters can't be taken as truth, because as people they can be wrong. But there are still errors that can't be excused with that, like say suddenly Tamriel only has one moon with no event happening to make one go missing, that's just an error. Or how in ESO Eastmarch goes all the way to coast bordering Vvardenfell and completely removing the Velothi Mountains and the Redoran territory and cities which are supposed to be there. Or how no ships could ever sail on the Niben River and pass Leyawiin with one simple book saying they transfer things from the ships to smaller boats there, which just doesn't make sense when there are many mentions in lore and games both before and after how ships sail all the way from Imperial City out to sea, also how there are ships along the Niben River who clearly aren't locked in there. Very physical things that can't be handwaved away with unreliablity. Something closer that can be caused by UN is how Tales of Tribure is both a brand new game but also one steeped in old history and traditions. Or how Solstice is both unknown and isolated and also not. But even those feel kinda weak to excuse with UN when they come from the same spot at the same time, including out of game sources.

Unreliable narrator can't be used to wave away everything.