Please Rename Molag Bal Shrine (New Vampire NPC)

Gabriel_H · January 13

CoolBlast3 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Inari Telvanni wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Vampiric power comes from Molag. Whether or not Lamae wants to oppose Molag, the power is rooted in him and his realm.

Have you played the vampire quest in ESO?

I've played every quest in ESO, what's your point? Because mine is the lore states that vampiric power comes from Molag Bal, and is rooted in him and his realm.

Does it sound like the stroy-telling is good? Not really. That doesn't change that piece of lore though.

The lore also says that Lamae hates Molag Bal, regardless of the fact that vampires are intrinsically bound to Coldharbour in every possible way. It specifies that all of Lamae's actions, and by extension the vampires that she spawns, are based on spiting Bal. You're not really saying anything.

It doesn't matter if she hates Molag - he is the source of her, and every other vampires, power. To keep that power requires a connection to Molag. Manifesting Daedric power in Nirn requires the worship of a Daedra.

No Molag worship. No power.

The issue is in the presentation of the story-telling, but lore-wise it makes perfect sense, and also a necessity, to have a shrine to Molag.

That is just not how Vampirism (or magic in general) works in TES.
You've vampires that worship Sanguine (Hollowfang) and those who venerate Clavicus Vile (Cyrodillic, granted these dual wield Bal as well) and they're just fine.
Power /=/ Worship is also not a universal constant. Arcanists gain their power through Apocrypha/Mora but they needn't worship either to continue having it. The vampires of the Orchard in Coldharbour -despise- Bal and even help you against him if you so chose, in the final confrontation that renders all his plans null. And yet, they're still vampires with power regardless.

I don't blame you for having this view of lore, but it isn't an objective truth nor should it be spread like one.

Most magic is drawing power from the Aetherius. There are some exceptions such as Arcanists - who draw their power from Apocrypha (but not Mora directly. i.e. it does not require worship), much like others take from the Aetherius.

Vampirism is not magic, it is the manifestation of daedric princes power, which requires worship to manifest in Nirn. In this case, Molag Bal. Iirc Sanguine Vampires are fan-speculation of the lore, and Vile vampires are the result of a deal between a sect of vamps and Vile to alter their vampirism. All 3 still require a connection to a daedric prince though, which Lamae is not - so a shrine to Lamae would make zero sense.

That doesn't mean vampires can't go against the wishes of Molag, but I would point out that them continuing to be vampires and spreading the corruption very much would be something he wants.

Morvan · January 13

I don't think this is an oversight or a contradiction, many vampires hate Molag for the state they're in, but that doesn't mean they don't worship him in some capacity.

You will not find Lamae Bal praying for him of course, but the very fact she indulges in her gift and spread it already makes her a Molag Bal worshipper, she's doing exactly what he designed her for, and if you read "Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie", you'll get an insight of how alike they are, she's very likely aware of it too.

So yes, it could be weird to have Lamae Bal to be around protecting his shrine, but some other vampire from her strain? Not weird at all, just because Lamae has beef with Molag that doesn't stop anyone in her cult from worshipping him on the side, most vampires just want power, and both Lamae and Molag can be used as tools.

Legoless · January 13

This is definitely an oversight, I really don't think Lamae would be best pleased by this considering she makes you desecrate a Molag Bal shrine.

Morvan · January 13

Gabriel_H wrote: »

That doesn't mean vampires can't go against the wishes of Molag, but I would point out that them continuing to be vampires and spreading the corruption very much would be something he wants.

Exactly, everyone who thinks this interaction is weird just don't really know how Molag nature works, heck, he literally tells you in Dark Anchors that as you kill his minions you're PRAYING to him, he likes to be challenged and respects you for it.

Lamae hates Molag because he corrupted her, but she's very aware her soul and power is bound to him and he is the source, she's clearly a powerlust maniac, it would make zero sense for her followers to not benefit from Molag worship and pacts, their soul is already claimed by him, what would they lose?

Aliyavana · January 13

Apparently the EP shrine in Stonefalls has an actual broken molag bal statue, but the DC shrine is just a coffin with a skull and some candles.

You can see a video of how the DC shrine looks:

https://youtu.be/0X8hoTcQVp8?si=1xfptEzntyFNVo0e

If the intent was to have a shrine to molag bal defiled by Lamae Bal worshippers, the name should be changed to be changed to “Defiled Shrine of Molag Bal” and the wording should be changed to indicate that it was defiled.

Syldras · January 13

No matter where the power came from, Lamae altered it and now builds her own strain to basically build a clan (or vampiric race) she plans to turn against Molag Bal (and Arkay). No matter if some part of it might indirectly benefit Molag Bal, that's her clear intention to turn her and her "children"'s power against him. I think it's clear she would also demand the same from her spawn. And vampires who consider themselves her followers or offspring, and even state they love and honor her, would side with her and her cause.

Morvan · January 13

Legoless wrote: »

This is definitely an oversight, I really don't think Lamae would be best pleased by this considering she makes you desecrate a Molag Bal shrine.

I agree she wouldn't, I think it could be an oversight depending on how they detailed it, but the dialogue itself only states this vampire is a keeper of his shrine, there just aren't enough details to claim this is in contradiction of anything we know.

But again, Molag Bal isn't supposed to be nice, I bet most of his vampires and/or worshippers are not even willing subjects, they are enslaved by him as tools of his will, which is to defy Arkay, you can definitely hate him and still worship him out of necessity, one could even make deals with him to get cured from vampirism.

Morvan · January 13

Syldras wrote: »

No matter where the power came from, Lamae altered it and now builds her own strain to basically build a clan (or vampiric race) she plans to turn against Molag Bal (and Arkay). No matter if some part of it might indirectly benefit Molag Bal, that's her clear intention to turn her and her "children"'s power against him. I think it's clear she would also demand the same from her spawn. And vampires who consider themselves her followers or offspring, and even state they love and honor her, would side with her and her cause.

I understand that, but that's exactly what he intends her to do, she is practicing domination by attempting to overcome him, spreading his own gift which in turn also makes him stronger, Lamae Bal might be just the most important of his worshippers, even if she's not aware of it.

But again, the NPC never states she's worshipping him there, it's as simple as that, vampires are bound to Molag, what Lamae Bal sees as "defiling", Molag likely sees as some BDSM thing I would rather not talk about here.

Lamae Bal was turned into a vampire unwillingly, and she now worships him, very likely unwillingly too.

Syldras · January 13

Acting in a way that a Daedric Prince would approve of is not worship. Not even if it unintendedly brings them some advantage. Worship needs intention.

A hungry beggar who steals a loaf of bread might be something Nocturnal is pleased about, but that doesn't make him a Nocturnal worshipper. A merchant who burns down the shop of a rival might please Mehrunes Dagon with the destruction he causes, but that doesn't make him a Dagon worshipper.

Morvan · January 13

Syldras wrote: »

Acting in a way that a Daedric Prince would approve of is not worship. Not even if it unintendedly brings them some advantage. Worship needs intention.

A hungry beggar who steals a loaf of bread might be something Nocturnal is pleased about, but that doesn't make him a Nocturnal worshipper. A merchant who burns down the shop of a rival might please Mehrunes Dagon with the destruction he causes, but that doesn't make him a Dagon worshipper.

Molag Bal is just the perfect example of how worship doesn't need intention, his thing is literally dominate others to do things they don't want to, that's pretty much his main sphere.

We can see this on a ton of his dialogues:
"How many have you killed to defeat me? Each death is like a prayer to me!"
"Yes. Sacrifice those servants in my name. Let's give you something worthy to sacrifice!"'
"The sacrifices you make are all done in my name. You are and will always be my servant."

I recommend you to read 'Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie', you'll understand my point of how Lamae Bal worships Molag in her hate, all the awful things he did to her she also immediately did to others when she turned, the fact she gave in to Molag's nature is what caused Arkay to abandon her in the first place.

Syldras · January 13

Morvan wrote: »

Molag Bal is just the perfect example of how worship doesn't need intention, his thing is literally dominate others to do things they don't want to, that's pretty much his main sphere.
We can see this on a ton of his dialogues:
"How many have you killed to defeat me? Each death is like a prayer to me!"
"Yes. Sacrifice those servants in my name. Let's give you something worthy to sacrifice!"'
"The sacrifices you make are all done in my name. You are and will always be my servant."
I recommend you to read 'Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie', you'll understand my point of how Lamae Bal worships Molag in her hate, all the awful things he did to her she also immediately did to others when she turned, the fact she gave in to Molag's nature is what caused Arkay to abandon her in the first place.

I'm familiar with the lore.

It benefits him, but it is not her intention. She makes it very clear that she sees him as her enemy. She doesn't actively worship him. And I'm very sure she would not allow her spawn to do that. It doesn't matter at all that he might rejoice at the way she unintendedly benefits him, while suffering. It doesn't even matter he might consider it worship. She and her followers clearly don't. So it still doesn't make sense that she or any of her followers would put up a shrine for him (an intact one, not a desecrated one).

CoolBlast3 · January 13

Morvan wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Acting in a way that a Daedric Prince would approve of is not worship. Not even if it unintendedly brings them some advantage. Worship needs intention.

A hungry beggar who steals a loaf of bread might be something Nocturnal is pleased about, but that doesn't make him a Nocturnal worshipper. A merchant who burns down the shop of a rival might please Mehrunes Dagon with the destruction he causes, but that doesn't make him a Dagon worshipper.

Molag Bal is just the perfect example of how worship doesn't need intention, his thing is literally dominate others to do things they don't want to, that's pretty much his main sphere.

We can see this on a ton of his dialogues:
"How many have you killed to defeat me? Each death is like a prayer to me!"
"Yes. Sacrifice those servants in my name. Let's give you something worthy to sacrifice!"'
"The sacrifices you make are all done in my name. You are and will always be my servant."

I recommend you to read 'Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie', you'll understand my point of how Lamae Bal worships Molag in her hate, all the awful things he did to her she also immediately did to others when she turned, the fact she gave in to Molag's nature is what caused Arkay to abandon her in the first place.

And I recommend you to read literally anything about Lamae Bal's cult.
Worship is intentional. She may be acting in his sphere, but that is not worship lol.

I agree she wouldn't, I think it could be an oversight depending on how they detailed it, but the dialogue itself only states this vampire is a keeper of his shrine, there just aren't enough details to claim this is in contradiction of anything we know

No, the dialogue states she maintains the shrine in adoration to Lamae Bal, which is nonsensical. Lamae has us desecrate Shrines of Bal. Not maintain them. Again, regardless of what you think about Molag Bal's sphere/worship, about where vampiric power comes from- this is a writing mistake. She would not want a bloodkin to worship Bal in her name come on.

Exactly, everyone who thinks this interaction is weird just don't really know how Molag nature works

I could say the same about you not knowing anything about how Lamae works. :shrug:

Vampirism is not magic, it is the manifestation of daedric princes power, which requires worship to manifest in Nirn. In this case, Molag Bal. Iirc Sanguine Vampires are fan-speculation of the lore, and Vile vampires are the result of a deal between a sect of vamps and Vile to alter their vampirism. All 3 still require a connection to a daedric prince though, which Lamae is not - so a shrine to Lamae would make zero sense.

Vampirism -is- magic. Daedric Power -is- magic. There's no DnD styled "other power" in TES. It's -all- magic. From the food you eat having magical effects to Daedric magic. (to the point that it has been pointed out in lore that if magic comes from Aetherius, further research needs to be done on how Princes/Daedra use magic)
You also realize that you do not need a god in TES to maintain magic? Or that beings of power aren't always gods. And no, Sanguine vampires are not fanon, they're literally the Hollowfang Clan in ESO.

On an aside,
I personally find it odd how some people are doing these mental gymnastics to justify a victim of S.assault worshiping her assaulter.

LunaFlora · January 13

you do not need to worship Molag Bal to be a vampire and Lamae clearly does not worship Bal.

Morvan · January 13

Syldras wrote: »

Morvan wrote: »

Molag Bal is just the perfect example of how worship doesn't need intention, his thing is literally dominate others to do things they don't want to, that's pretty much his main sphere.
We can see this on a ton of his dialogues:
"How many have you killed to defeat me? Each death is like a prayer to me!"
"Yes. Sacrifice those servants in my name. Let's give you something worthy to sacrifice!"'
"The sacrifices you make are all done in my name. You are and will always be my servant."
I recommend you to read 'Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie', you'll understand my point of how Lamae Bal worships Molag in her hate, all the awful things he did to her she also immediately did to others when she turned, the fact she gave in to Molag's nature is what caused Arkay to abandon her in the first place.

I'm familiar with the lore.

It benefits him, but it is not her intention. She makes it very clear that she sees him as her enemy. She doesn't actively worship him. And I'm very sure she would not allow her spawn to do that. It doesn't matter at all that he might rejoice at the way she unintendedly benefits him, while suffering. It doesn't even matter he might consider it worship. She and her followers clearly don't. So it still doesn't make sense that she or any of her followers would put up a shrine for him (an intact one, not a desecrated one).

We'll have to agree to disagree, but then again, I don't think the NPC ever mentions any "worship", the fact we need shrines to bite other people might imply they're just using a connection to Coldharbour/Molag to make the task easier? I can think of a list of possibilities for why this isn't a contradiction.

But I do agree that the lack of details also open a door for a possible oversight, yes.

Morvan · January 13

CoolBlast3 wrote: »

Morvan wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Acting in a way that a Daedric Prince would approve of is not worship. Not even if it unintendedly brings them some advantage. Worship needs intention.

A hungry beggar who steals a loaf of bread might be something Nocturnal is pleased about, but that doesn't make him a Nocturnal worshipper. A merchant who burns down the shop of a rival might please Mehrunes Dagon with the destruction he causes, but that doesn't make him a Dagon worshipper.

Molag Bal is just the perfect example of how worship doesn't need intention, his thing is literally dominate others to do things they don't want to, that's pretty much his main sphere.

We can see this on a ton of his dialogues:
"How many have you killed to defeat me? Each death is like a prayer to me!"
"Yes. Sacrifice those servants in my name. Let's give you something worthy to sacrifice!"'
"The sacrifices you make are all done in my name. You are and will always be my servant."

I recommend you to read 'Opusculus Lamae Bal ta Mezzamortie', you'll understand my point of how Lamae Bal worships Molag in her hate, all the awful things he did to her she also immediately did to others when she turned, the fact she gave in to Molag's nature is what caused Arkay to abandon her in the first place.

And I recommend you to read literally anything about Lamae Bal's cult.
Worship is intentional. She may be acting in his sphere, but that is not worship lol.

I agree she wouldn't, I think it could be an oversight depending on how they detailed it, but the dialogue itself only states this vampire is a keeper of his shrine, there just aren't enough details to claim this is in contradiction of anything we know

No, the dialogue states she maintains the shrine in adoration to Lamae Bal, which is nonsensical. Lamae has us desecrate Shrines of Bal. Not maintain them. Again, regardless of what you think about Molag Bal's sphere/worship, about where vampiric power comes from- this is a writing mistake. She would not want a bloodkin to worship Bal in her name come on.

Exactly, everyone who thinks this interaction is weird just don't really know how Molag nature works

I could say the same about you not knowing anything about how Lamae works. :shrug:

Vampirism is not magic, it is the manifestation of daedric princes power, which requires worship to manifest in Nirn. In this case, Molag Bal. Iirc Sanguine Vampires are fan-speculation of the lore, and Vile vampires are the result of a deal between a sect of vamps and Vile to alter their vampirism. All 3 still require a connection to a daedric prince though, which Lamae is not - so a shrine to Lamae would make zero sense.

Vampirism -is- magic. Daedric Power -is- magic. There's no DnD styled "other power" in TES. It's -all- magic. From the food you eat having magical effects to Daedric magic. (to the point that it has been pointed out in lore that if magic comes from Aetherius, further research needs to be done on how Princes/Daedra use magic)
You also realize that you do not need a god in TES to maintain magic? Or that beings of power aren't always gods. And no, Sanguine vampires are not fanon, they're literally the Hollowfang Clan in ESO.

On an aside,
I personally find it odd how some people are doing these mental gymnastics to justify a victim of S.assault worshiping her assaulter.

Incorrect, they can totally worship someone else on a Molag Bal shrine in order to desecrate it, we literally see this happening in Skyrim.

One of Logrolf lines:
"So. The King of Corruption sends his messenger to challenge me. Very well. I will meet with Molag Bal, and I will venerate his altar in Boethiah's name, as I did before. Cut me loose, minion of the Hated One. I need to get to Markarth."

Logrolf was constantly worshipping Boethiah on his altar to mock him, and that might be exactly what the vampire is doing on his shrines too, praying to Lamae to his shrine because Lamae thinks this will upset him or something lol

Syldras · January 13

Morvan wrote: »

Incorrect, they can totally worship someone else on a Molag Bal shrine in order to desecrate it, we literally see this happening in Skyrim.
One of Logrolf lines:
"So. The King of Corruption sends his messenger to challenge me. Very well. I will meet with Molag Bal, and I will venerate his altar in Boethiah's name, as I did before. Cut me loose, minion of the Hated One. I need to get to Markarth."
Logrolf was constantly worshipping Boethiah on his altar to mock him, and that might be exactly what the vampire is doing on his shrines too, praying to Lamae to his shrine because Lamae thinks this will upset him or something lol

It's called profanation and was also often done in real world history (ancient Egypt and Greece, for example): Desecrating a foreign place of worship by dedicating it to another deity. Some people think that profanation only refers to completely stripping the religious significance of a place, but it's also used for cases in which a different culture's temples were seized and rededicated.

Still, if that is the supposed meaning of what we see in that quest, it should be made clearer.

KingArthasMenethil · January 13

I agree with the OP but this thread is becoming heretical.

Morvan · January 13

Syldras wrote: »

Morvan wrote: »

Incorrect, they can totally worship someone else on a Molag Bal shrine in order to desecrate it, we literally see this happening in Skyrim.
One of Logrolf lines:
"So. The King of Corruption sends his messenger to challenge me. Very well. I will meet with Molag Bal, and I will venerate his altar in Boethiah's name, as I did before. Cut me loose, minion of the Hated One. I need to get to Markarth."
Logrolf was constantly worshipping Boethiah on his altar to mock him, and that might be exactly what the vampire is doing on his shrines too, praying to Lamae to his shrine because Lamae thinks this will upset him or something lol

It's called profanation and was also often done in real world history (ancient Egypt and Greece, for example): Desecrating a foreign place of worship by dedicating it to another deity. Some people think that profanation only refers to completely stripping the religious significance of a place, but it's also used for cases in which a different culture's temples were seized and rededicated.

Still, if that is the supposed meaning of what we see in that quest, it should be made clearer.

Yep, I agree it should be clearer, but this sheds light on how her being there makes total sense from a lore standpoint, and similar things happened before.

We just don't have enough details on her intent there to classify this as a plot hole.

ZOS_Zenke · January 13

Hey all,

Just wanted to drop a line in here about this issue. Thank you very much for reaching out and asking great questions about this. It's funny, in a comment to the lore community the other day I called out that in general we try very hard not to "correct" things in-world, because it's far more interesting for you all to seek clarity and decide what is real and what isn't.

That said, this is a clear case where we missed a trick. We're going to change this line to clarify that this is a shrine to Lamae Bal to fit with Azisa's reverence for the Blood Matron, as well as shifting the name of the POI and some related quest text.

Please keep in mind that these changes will not go live until u50. The updated VO will be recorded for that release, so you will see the quest as it exists now go live and updates arrive on live servers in the subsequent patch.

Thanks for calling this out!
- Michael Zenke, ESO Loremaster

Aliyavana · January 13

ZOS_Zenke wrote: »

Hey all,

Just wanted to drop a line in here about this issue. Thank you very much for reaching out and asking great questions about this. It's funny, in a comment to the lore community the other day I called out that in general we try very hard not to "correct" things in-world, because it's far more interesting for you all to seek clarity and decide what is real and what isn't.

That said, this is a clear case where we missed a trick. We're going to change this line to clarify that this is a shrine to Lamae Bal to fit with Azisa's reverence for the Blood Matron, as well as shifting the name of the POI and some related quest text.

Please keep in mind that these changes will not go live until u50. The updated VO will be recorded for that release, so you will see the quest as it exists now go live and updates arrive on live servers in the subsequent patch.

Thanks for calling this out!
- Michael Zenke, ESO Loremaster

Hello Loremaster! I appreciate the time you took to comment and to clarify. Glad to see that this will be fixed.

CoolBlast3 · January 13

ZOS_Zenke wrote: »

Hey all,

Just wanted to drop a line in here about this issue. Thank you very much for reaching out and asking great questions about this. It's funny, in a comment to the lore community the other day I called out that in general we try very hard not to "correct" things in-world, because it's far more interesting for you all to seek clarity and decide what is real and what isn't.

That said, this is a clear case where we missed a trick. We're going to change this line to clarify that this is a shrine to Lamae Bal to fit with Azisa's reverence for the Blood Matron, as well as shifting the name of the POI and some related quest text.

Please keep in mind that these changes will not go live until u50. The updated VO will be recorded for that release, so you will see the quest as it exists now go live and updates arrive on live servers in the subsequent patch.

Thanks for calling this out!
- Michael Zenke, ESO Loremaster

Thanks Zenke! This is extremely appreciated

Tyrvarion · January 13

Thank you for the time to take a look at it and clarify! It's really nice to see it.

spartaxoxo · January 13

ZOS_Zenke wrote: »

Hey all,

Just wanted to drop a line in here about this issue. Thank you very much for reaching out and asking great questions about this. It's funny, in a comment to the lore community the other day I called out that in general we try very hard not to "correct" things in-world, because it's far more interesting for you all to seek clarity and decide what is real and what isn't.

That said, this is a clear case where we missed a trick. We're going to change this line to clarify that this is a shrine to Lamae Bal to fit with Azisa's reverence for the Blood Matron, as well as shifting the name of the POI and some related quest text.

Please keep in mind that these changes will not go live until u50. The updated VO will be recorded for that release, so you will see the quest as it exists now go live and upobdates arrive on live servers in the subsequent patch.

Thanks for calling this out!
- Michael Zenke, ESO Loremaster

Thanks for the reply! I'm glad to see this is getting fixed! But could you go into a little more detail why this is the case? Sometimes these inconsistencies seem very intentional and like building a world with a lot of different conflicting agendas and viewpoints. Which I absolutely love. But other times it just feels kind of simply off. This is a good example. Another is that I really was left confused about whether Solstice is all that isolated or not. Or how I as player was forced to break a tenet of the Dark Brotherhood in the Blackwood chapter. Would you mind giving us a little more detail on the creative process on how you guys decide what to correct or perhaps show us multiple different viewpoints on?

LunaFlora · January 13

ZOS_Zenke wrote: »

Hey all,

Just wanted to drop a line in here about this issue. Thank you very much for reaching out and asking great questions about this. It's funny, in a comment to the lore community the other day I called out that in general we try very hard not to "correct" things in-world, because it's far more interesting for you all to seek clarity and decide what is real and what isn't.

That said, this is a clear case where we missed a trick. We're going to change this line to clarify that this is a shrine to Lamae Bal to fit with Azisa's reverence for the Blood Matron, as well as shifting the name of the POI and some related quest text.

Please keep in mind that these changes will not go live until u50. The updated VO will be recorded for that release, so you will see the quest as it exists now go live and updates arrive on live servers in the subsequent patch.

Thanks for calling this out!
- Michael Zenke, ESO Loremaster

hey that is awesome!
thanks so much for changing this

Avran_Sylt · January 13

Aliyavana wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

Not sure of the whole dynamics myself, but it seems like this could be the continuation of this kind of thing: Molag has greater power, and is now leveraging Lamae's gift out in the world with follower's who've followed him instead of her post acquiring the gift (not sure if it's something that Lamae can take away). However there's a more obscure alternate method of acquiring vampirism that follows Lamae's rebellion against Molag.

OP posted the vampire npc's dialogue in a screenshot in the first post of this thread. The npc says she tends the shrine "out of love and respect" for Lamae. In another part of the dialogue she says it's a shrine to Molag Bal. That just doesn't make any sense.

I'd find different vampiric strains (or origins, or how to call it) an interesting addition to the game, by the way. But the dialogue above just doesn't make sense in terms of lore.

Do we know the intonation of the dialogue/expressions?

The vampire indicated nothing in her voice nor her dialogue that she had a distaste for Molag Bal. Even if we pretend that she did, the wording is currently off.

As I said previously, Molag Bal violated Lamae Bal and you do not say that you honor a victim that experienced trauma by tending to the shrine of their abuser.

Right, which is why I was wondering if it were a Molag Bal adherent or something either smarmily/snidely expressing it as a dig at Lamae, now twisting her gifts through him (cruel, but possible something Molag would do), that being said if the dialogue is dry, likely a mistake.

Edit: I see, good to know what's up per the LM

IncultaWolf · January 13

ZOS_Zenke wrote: »

Hey all,

Just wanted to drop a line in here about this issue. Thank you very much for reaching out and asking great questions about this. It's funny, in a comment to the lore community the other day I called out that in general we try very hard not to "correct" things in-world, because it's far more interesting for you all to seek clarity and decide what is real and what isn't.

That said, this is a clear case where we missed a trick. We're going to change this line to clarify that this is a shrine to Lamae Bal to fit with Azisa's reverence for the Blood Matron, as well as shifting the name of the POI and some related quest text.

Please keep in mind that these changes will not go live until u50. The updated VO will be recorded for that release, so you will see the quest as it exists now go live and updates arrive on live servers in the subsequent patch.

Thanks for calling this out!
- Michael Zenke, ESO Loremaster

Thanks for the insight and communication! 😸

TX12001rwb17_ESO · January 13

Aliyavana wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

The way it is worded currently feels off. Lamae is a victim of Molag Bal. You do not revere Lamae Bal by keeping a shrine to her abuser in-tact.

Victim or not, her power, and that of all other vampires comes from Molag, so a connection to Molag must be maintained.

We are aware that vampirism comes from Molag Bal, but the current wording is not ok.

And The Blood Scion Vampires of Lamae are not connected to Molag Bal which is how the Vestige was even able to become one at all, their body was naturally rejecting Vampirism because it was a corruption of Molag Bal and they were already corrupted by him.