Please add Voice Chat to PC with Crossplay

DenverRalphy · February 19

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

I always assumed voice chat was a given on PC if we were being merged in with consoles. Without it, I don't want crossplay. The game is anti-social enough and I'm not going to expect a console player to have a keyboard or use on-screen input.

By the same token PC players shouldn't be expected to use a feature that has never existed on PC for the past 12 years.

If they don't expect to use it, then they shouldn't be in favor of going Crossplay.

I'm not in favor of cross play.

Be that as it may, many PC players do want crossplay. There is a reasonable expectation that any player who wants crossplay to come about, needs to accept that cross platform communication is a must. And that's what this thread is all about.. Voice Chat with Crossplay.

I'm not in favor of crossplay myself. No game has ever gone crossplay where consoles don't get the short end of the stick. But if it's going to happen, it has to be done right.

freespirit · February 19

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

I always assumed voice chat was a given on PC if we were being merged in with consoles. Without it, I don't want crossplay. The game is anti-social enough and I'm not going to expect a console player to have a keyboard or use on-screen input.

By the same token PC players shouldn't be expected to use a feature that has never existed on PC for the past 12 years.

If they don't expect to use it, then they shouldn't be in favor of going Crossplay.

I would hate any type of voice chat on PC that was not entirely optional!!

I've been around a long time and I've seen the utter rubbish that can go off in Zone Chat(typed ofc) enough already.

There's very few things that I would consider "game breaking" for me personally but this would be definitely be one!!

As long as it's a toggle or has settings that can be turned off, then fine but I refuse to listen to other people's noise!

Erickson9610 · February 19

Orbital78 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

FieryPhoenix wrote: »

...everyone will just end up making group finder listing like “no voice chat” or “PC only” or “discord only voice chat”. (I mean this still might happen as people are, well… people, but this is a key feature that without proper integration will inhibit grouping which is the entire point of crossplay.)

PC players do not use voice chat for pug groups. I've never seen a group finder listing mentioning voice for anything, not even trials. Organized groups like our guild's trial groups use discord, but not pugs.

My guilds require discord or get kicked in the group finder listings. A few don't read or refuse and get replaced.

Part of my concerns regarding the lack of in-game Voice Chat on PC is that — once everyone moves away from popular options — groups will start requiring us to download and run some other third party voice chat client.

For one, we shouldn't need to download anything outside of ESO to properly play it. I'd much rather take an addon for ESO that adds voice chat than download a separate program entirely.

For two, we don't know where people will move to. Right now, most groups ask for a single other program, but in a few weeks, they might start asking for 2 or 3 different programs, depending on the group.

It would be far better for the game if we had a built-in single solution for this problem that we have the option of using or not. People already require voice communication, so it might as well be part of the game we're already running.

LunaFlora · February 19

freespirit wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

I always assumed voice chat was a given on PC if we were being merged in with consoles. Without it, I don't want crossplay. The game is anti-social enough and I'm not going to expect a console player to have a keyboard or use on-screen input.

By the same token PC players shouldn't be expected to use a feature that has never existed on PC for the past 12 years.

If they don't expect to use it, then they shouldn't be in favor of going Crossplay.

I would hate any type of voice chat on PC that was not entirely optional!!

I've been around a long time and I've seen the utter rubbish that can go off in Zone Chat(typed ofc) enough already.

There's very few things that I would consider "game breaking" for me personally but this would be definitely be one!!

As long as it's a toggle or has settings that can be turned off, then fine but I refuse to listen to other people's noise!

ESO Voice chat that we have on Playstation and Xbox is completely optional. as has been mentioned multiple times in this thread.

DenverRalphy · February 19

freespirit wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

I always assumed voice chat was a given on PC if we were being merged in with consoles. Without it, I don't want crossplay. The game is anti-social enough and I'm not going to expect a console player to have a keyboard or use on-screen input.

By the same token PC players shouldn't be expected to use a feature that has never existed on PC for the past 12 years.

If they don't expect to use it, then they shouldn't be in favor of going Crossplay.

I would hate any type of voice chat on PC that was not entirely optional!!

I've been around a long time and I've seen the utter rubbish that can go off in Zone Chat(typed ofc) enough already.

There's very few things that I would consider "game breaking" for me personally but this would be definitely be one!!

As long as it's a toggle or has settings that can be turned off, then fine but I refuse to listen to other people's noise!

Voice Chat is entirely optional. And even when a player does opt to use it, they have to choose which channel they're joining. Area chat is a channel, just like group chat is a channel, guild chat is a channel etc.. Don't want proximity chat? Stay out of the Area channel. That simple.

SilverBride · February 19

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm not in favor of cross play.

Be that as it may, many PC players do want crossplay. There is a reasonable expectation that any player who wants crossplay to come about, needs to accept that cross platform communication is a must. And that's what this thread is all about.. Voice Chat with Crossplay.

I'm not in favor of crossplay myself. No game has ever gone crossplay where consoles don't get the short end of the stick. But if it's going to happen, it has to be done right.

Why should console's way of communicating take preference over PC's? Especially since PC appears to have a higher population.

Orbital78 · February 19

SilverBride wrote: »

That is the exception, not the norm. I've never seen it on PC.

That is three out of my 5 guilds that require it. I see other groups that do as well on NA. It is less often required or enforced in normals, but in vet I wouldn't want to be typing out strats. It is bad enough having to say it in voice, but that is part of the reason you see KWTD so often. The problem is that not all groups use the same strats or positioning.

freespirit wrote: »

I would hate any type of voice chat on PC that was not entirely optional

It would have to be optional, I don't know of any games that support it and don't have a on/off toggle in the settings. I wouldn't want it for anything other than group. I would also like to see more custom emotes for the scroll wheel, some of what's there is okay, but I would like custom messages too.

freespirit · February 19

LunaFlora wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

I always assumed voice chat was a given on PC if we were being merged in with consoles. Without it, I don't want crossplay. The game is anti-social enough and I'm not going to expect a console player to have a keyboard or use on-screen input.

By the same token PC players shouldn't be expected to use a feature that has never existed on PC for the past 12 years.

If they don't expect to use it, then they shouldn't be in favor of going Crossplay.

I would hate any type of voice chat on PC that was not entirely optional!!

I've been around a long time and I've seen the utter rubbish that can go off in Zone Chat(typed ofc) enough already.

There's very few things that I would consider "game breaking" for me personally but this would be definitely be one!!

As long as it's a toggle or has settings that can be turned off, then fine but I refuse to listen to other people's noise!

ESO Voice chat that we have on Playstation and Xbox is completely optional. as has been mentioned multiple times in this thread.

Well that is perfectly fine then ofc we all know ZoS has a track record of different implementation over the different platforms and I feel it is important they are aware that certain restrictions should be available.

Frayton · February 19

SilverBride wrote: »

FieryPhoenix wrote: »

...everyone will just end up making group finder listing like “no voice chat” or “PC only” or “discord only voice chat”. (I mean this still might happen as people are, well… people, but this is a key feature that without proper integration will inhibit grouping which is the entire point of crossplay.)

PC players do not use voice chat for pug groups. I've never seen a group finder listing mentioning voice for anything, not even trials. Organized groups like our guild's trial groups use discord, but not pugs.

Pugs use voice all the time on PCNA. Maybe the super ultra casual ones don't, but I've seen plenty, especially for harder vDLCs that need coordination, require voice comms.

As for the topic, meh, I won't use the in game vc if it's available. I'm fine with Discord bc I don't use NSFW or adult content servers, so I won't ever need to verify I'm an adult.

DenverRalphy · February 19

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm not in favor of cross play.

Be that as it may, many PC players do want crossplay. There is a reasonable expectation that any player who wants crossplay to come about, needs to accept that cross platform communication is a must. And that's what this thread is all about.. Voice Chat with Crossplay.

I'm not in favor of crossplay myself. No game has ever gone crossplay where consoles don't get the short end of the stick. But if it's going to happen, it has to be done right.

Why should console's way of communicating take preference over PC's? Especially since PC appears to have a higher population.

Nobody's insinuating it would. But if PC player and Console players are to communicate with any reasonable efficiency, there needs to be some method in place to allow that to happen. Console players will be able to use a keyboard should the situation call for one and the player actually has one on hand. The difference is that console players aren't asking PC players to utilize a 3rd party solution to voice chat when that method of communication is called for.

SilverBride · February 19

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Why should console's way of communicating take preference over PC's? Especially since PC appears to have a higher population.

Nobody's insinuating it would. But if PC player and Console players are to communicate with any reasonable efficiency, there needs to be some method in place to allow that to happen. Console players will be able to use a keyboard should the situation call for one and the player actually has one on hand. The difference is that console players aren't asking PC players to utilize a 3rd party solution to voice chat when that method of communication is called for.

From what I have read it appears that crossplay would benefit console players more than PC because they have lower populations. If crossplay is more for their benefit then they are the ones that should adapt to how we have been doing things on PC for 12 years now, not the other way around.

DenverRalphy · February 19

SilverBride wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Why should console's way of communicating take preference over PC's? Especially since PC appears to have a higher population.

Nobody's insinuating it would. But if PC player and Console players are to communicate with any reasonable efficiency, there needs to be some method in place to allow that to happen. Console players will be able to use a keyboard should the situation call for one and the player actually has one on hand. The difference is that console players aren't asking PC players to utilize a 3rd party solution to voice chat when that method of communication is called for.

From what I have read it appears that crossplay would benefit console players more than PC because they have lower populations. If crossplay is more for their benefit then they are the ones that should adapt to how we have been doing things on PC for 12 years now, not the other way around.

I'm not going to debate the merits of crossplay in this thread because it's outside the scope of this thread's topic. I'm 100% against it anyway, so I'm not arguing in favor of it.

But again.. if it's going to be done, it has to be done right. It's as simple as that.

SilverBride · February 19

DenverRalphy wrote: »

I'm not going to debate the merits of crossplay in this thread because it's outside the scope of this thread's topic. I'm 100% against it anyway, so I'm not arguing in favor of it.

But again.. if it's going to be done, it has to be done right. It's as simple as that.

I agree and I hope our feedback helps them decide what would be best.

anadandy · February 19

SilverBride wrote: »

From what I have read it appears that crossplay would benefit console players more than PC because they have lower populations. If crossplay is more for their benefit then they are the ones that should adapt to how we have been doing things on PC for 12 years now, not the other way around.

This is such an unnecessary "Us vs Them" take. I am a PC player since launch but I started playing on Xbox a few years ago to play with friends I made from Stadia. I don't need crossplay but I think if it comes about then it should done so that all player - regardless of their original platform - have the best experience possible, including native voice chat. I'll say another thing, playing on Xbox has given me serious respect for ESO console players - they have been the redheaded step child dealing with challenges I took for granted on PC.

Radiate77 · February 19

I’ve been seeing a huge uptick in Voice Chat on Xbox these past few weeks.

If PC doesn’t get parity, then you’re going to see gatekeeping their way from Console groups and that’s extremely unfortunate.

Lord knows I’m not joining a random guild Discord just to run a trial.

karthrag_inak · February 19

Khajiit looks forward to having more, new folks to play with. Very Exciting.

This one would also suggest for folks that do not have a pc to run discord on, they can use discord on their phone, at least until all the other bug fixes, gameplay and QOL improvements, and content expansions for ESO have been implemented.

LunaFlora · February 19

karthrag_inak wrote: »

Khajiit looks forward to having more, new folks to play with. Very Exciting.

This one would also suggest for folks that do not have a pc to run discord on, they can use discord on their phone, at least until all the other bug fixes, gameplay and QOL improvements, and content expansions for ESO have been implemented.

Playstation and Xbox have discord connectivity, very recent addition.

but not everyone wants to use another app, they can already use the built-in voice chats from ESO or their respective consoles, which they are used to.

spartaxoxo · February 19

Orbital78 wrote: »

That is like saying we don't need zone chat. It is filled with weird and often toxic people. We would need a less limited ignore/mute filter. I turned off zone chat, voice would need the same option. I minimize the whole chat window actually since I don't use my keyboard most of the time. Sadly push to talk isn't mandatory but it still works in discord. I guess randoms just won't get to communicate.

You can turn off area chat entirely and never turn it back on, if you wish. I actually had my area chat turned off for years at one point. It only came back on because the functionality briefly broke with add-ons. That's fixed now.

spartaxoxo · February 19

freespirit wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

I always assumed voice chat was a given on PC if we were being merged in with consoles. Without it, I don't want crossplay. The game is anti-social enough and I'm not going to expect a console player to have a keyboard or use on-screen input.

By the same token PC players shouldn't be expected to use a feature that has never existed on PC for the past 12 years.

If they don't expect to use it, then they shouldn't be in favor of going Crossplay.

I would hate any type of voice chat on PC that was not entirely optional!!

I've been around a long time and I've seen the utter rubbish that can go off in Zone Chat(typed ofc) enough already.

There's very few things that I would consider "game breaking" for me personally but this would be definitely be one!!

As long as it's a toggle or has settings that can be turned off, then fine but I refuse to listen to other people's noise!

ESO Voice chat that we have on Playstation and Xbox is completely optional. as has been mentioned multiple times in this thread.

Well that is perfectly fine then ofc we all know ZoS has a track record of different implementation over the different platforms and I feel it is important they are aware that certain restrictions should be available.

Does any video game still require you be in voice chat?

LunaFlora · February 19

freespirit wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

I always assumed voice chat was a given on PC if we were being merged in with consoles. Without it, I don't want crossplay. The game is anti-social enough and I'm not going to expect a console player to have a keyboard or use on-screen input.

By the same token PC players shouldn't be expected to use a feature that has never existed on PC for the past 12 years.

If they don't expect to use it, then they shouldn't be in favor of going Crossplay.

I would hate any type of voice chat on PC that was not entirely optional!!

I've been around a long time and I've seen the utter rubbish that can go off in Zone Chat(typed ofc) enough already.

There's very few things that I would consider "game breaking" for me personally but this would be definitely be one!!

As long as it's a toggle or has settings that can be turned off, then fine but I refuse to listen to other people's noise!

ESO Voice chat that we have on Playstation and Xbox is completely optional. as has been mentioned multiple times in this thread.

Well that is perfectly fine then ofc we all know ZoS has a track record of different implementation over the different platforms and I feel it is important they are aware that certain restrictions should be available.

track record for what different implementation?
i do not know what exactly you are referring to.

there are some settings PC has exclusively and search functions in Collections.

What are you thinking of that makes you think ZOS would not make voice chat optional if they added it to PC?
if you keep in mind that Consoles already have it optionally which ZOS did as they develop ESO.

Orbital78 · February 19

Radiate77 wrote: »

Lord knows I’m not joining a random guild Discord just to run a trial.

Yup, I have joined some temporarily if I really want to do the run. I would not expect random vet groups to join chat, if they don't know what they're doing that just leads to group drops early on.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

You can turn off area chat entirely and never turn it back on, if you wish. I actually had my area chat turned off for years at one point. It only came back on because the functionality briefly broke with add-ons. That's fixed now.

pChat is a great addon, it allows me to just auto minimize chat, filter many things, and overall good QoL. I just put zone in another tab, as I do use it in Cyrodiil on occasion when solo.

SilverBride · February 19

anadandy wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

From what I have read it appears that crossplay would benefit console players more than PC because they have lower populations. If crossplay is more for their benefit then they are the ones that should adapt to how we have been doing things on PC for 12 years now, not the other way around.

This is such an unnecessary "Us vs Them" take. I am a PC player since launch but I started playing on Xbox a few years ago to play with friends I made from Stadia. I don't need crossplay but I think if it comes about then it should done so that all player - regardless of their original platform - have the best experience possible, including native voice chat. I'll say another thing, playing on Xbox has given me serious respect for ESO console players - they have been the redheaded step child dealing with challenges I took for granted on PC.

It's not "Us vs Them". It's what works for one system compared to what works for another. It's like trying to mix water with oil. It just doesn't work.

PC players don't typically use voice chat for everything we do with others. And we are very used to using Discord for the things we do use voice for.

This game has been riddled this past year with more bugs than I've ever seen in all the years that I've played. We don't need another new system added to PC that could go wrong. Especially when so many PC players don't see a need for it.

FeedbackOnly · February 19

Can we get integration with discord for PC 😢

SwordOfSagas · February 19

On Xbox NA the only time anyone uses voice chat is to play their garbage music out loud like we all want to hear it, or the one guy snoring at the daily crafting area in chat. We also had a guy who would sit at popular wayshrines and play bible verses all day long.

Radiate77 · February 19

SwordOfSagas wrote: »

On Xbox NA the only time anyone uses voice chat is to play their garbage music out loud like we all want to hear it, or the one guy snoring at the daily crafting area in chat. We also had a guy who would sit at popular wayshrines and play bible verses all day long.

You run many dungeons? I’ve queued into at least 5 Veteran Randoms on Xbox NA in the last week where people were in Voice Chat trying to get achievements.

SwordOfSagas · February 19

Radiate77 wrote: »

SwordOfSagas wrote: »

On Xbox NA the only time anyone uses voice chat is to play their garbage music out loud like we all want to hear it, or the one guy snoring at the daily crafting area in chat. We also had a guy who would sit at popular wayshrines and play bible verses all day long.

You run many dungeons? I’ve queued into at least 5 Veteran Randoms on Xbox NA in the last week where people were in Voice Chat trying to get achievements.

I do the daily undaunted and random dungeon that's about it. Can't say I do random vets though because usually when a new dungeon gets released, I farm it for the first 3 days for the helms and gear and move on. But I pvp more than pve these days. Also as long as the people asking for your help with achievement are actually putting in work and not looking for a carry thats cool.

spartaxoxo · February 20

Radiate77 wrote: »

SwordOfSagas wrote: »

On Xbox NA the only time anyone uses voice chat is to play their garbage music out loud like we all want to hear it, or the one guy snoring at the daily crafting area in chat. We also had a guy who would sit at popular wayshrines and play bible verses all day long.

You run many dungeons? I’ve queued into at least 5 Veteran Randoms on Xbox NA in the last week where people were in Voice Chat trying to get achievements.

Yeah. All of my PUG groups for harder content use voice chat. Guild groups will often prefer PSN but not always. PS users can't invite XBOX or PC players to PSN chat. And they shouldn't be expected to adopt a 3rd party voice chat option that many may have a moral objection towards imo. Crossplay should come with native chat that allows all 3 platforms to talk with one another.

There's no need to reinvent the wheel with it either. Just get it working on PC and add a mute for individual players.

Ruthless · February 20

More options you can disable works for everyone

lillybit · February 20

Thalmar wrote: »

If I recall right, when ESO first time being announced the release date was 2013, but it postponed to 2014 because devs decided to release the game for consoles in addition to PC. It is one of the biggest desicion devs give that I made to quit ESO,. I simply didn"t want to share a game with teens. No adult content aka no blood no sexual content aka pegi 3 instead of pegi 18.

I have been silent in the process of combining consoles with PC, but it looks like forums are dominated by console players who have problems with population. I just want to give my two cent that not only I am against to an addition to a client chat tool I am also against to combine servers.

The devs really need to think through if they really want to lose all their long term adult customers who made the most purcheses to vocal minority of console players who are asking for combinig servers and adding a security breach Voice Chat to PC.

I as a paying customer do NOT want servers to be merge with consoles, quantity is never better than quality! I will make a silly anectode here, superman, James Bond or indiana Jones were for older generations, you will never make the same impact for the new generations. Elder Scroll was for older gamers do not try to mix both. If you get greedy to make a game for both, you will lose either side. Let everyone play on their servers if you merge them outcome will be less than you have anticipated.

Why on earth do you think consoles are only populated by teenagers?

I've been playing on Playstation since release and only ever come across a handful of teens. I've talked to more people closer to my age (I have an adult daughter who also plays) than I have kids.

In contrast, I've been on PC about 6 months and talked to several teens already.

twisttop138 · February 20

DenverRalphy wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Console voice chat is through Microsoft (Xbox) and Sony (PS)

This part is not true. ZOS already had a voice chat that THEY built and have always monitored in the game. The reason in the past that they never put it on PC is because PC already had third party solutions. They wouldn't need to build anything from scratch. They already have the feature and could have implemented it on PC if they had so chosen to do so but they didn't think the extra effort was worth it at the time given PC's other options.

ETA

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Just keep using Discord or whatever other solution you're using. The in game VC solution is mediocre at best on a good day. Most ESO console players I know prefer using their respective native console solution because ESO's solution is.. not great.

Console's chat is something I use a lot for PUGs and I find it's generally preferred for those too. Guild groups usually PSN chat. At least in my experience.

I think pugs using in-game VC as often as they do is only because it's less inconvenient to use in lieu of sending out VC invites to groups/parties. If console players could easily copy/paste/click their respective console VC invites to/from in-game text chat directly to PSN/Xbox/Discord/TeamsSpeak/etc.. like PC players can, far fewer pug console players would be using in-game VC.

Yeah when we grab pugs for a trial we will sometimes use in game VC. It can be maddening inviting people to the guilds reused PSN party, with different privacy setting people sometimes don't even know they have enabled. We've had 10 minutes of frustration only to find out that they aren't getting the invite because their setting only allows invites from friends.

The in game voice chat works but not always. On the best days you still might have to completely close the entire game and relog just to remove the voice chat is not working error. A tale as old as time.

I know what's happening with discord is making some want to quit using it. My guilds gave already had people say goodbye and only post on the ps app. It's a bummer for sure. I guess we'll see what happens with crossplay but this is pretty low down on my concern list, not that that means anything.