I think they should uncap CP level, slow down the experience gain once you hit 3600, and give us a nice cosmetic every 500-600 levels or so. I wouldn't say no to more green tree perks too.

But yeah, we should get something to not feel like we're completely stagnating post-CP3600.

What if they reworked CP to be non-combat and reset everyone. 👀

3600 here!

The system feels unfinished. No rewards or anything - just uncap it, so I can grind. Ok, don't nor for what reason, but...

Maybe they could do some CPS legendary or some kind.

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Maybe all of you 3600 guys should never have made the grind? 😉
I mean, I haven't cared about my level for at least three years, probably five. 😅

And by the way, CP was capped at 810 before and then got completely unlocked. They didn't just add some levels. 3600 is the absolute maximum that the game can compute.
That means you are at the apex. Nothing else can be added.

Never really grinded, yet been at the cap for 2-3 years now feeling the lack of dopamine from progressing something.

Do you have a source on that statement about 3600 being the "maximum that the game can compute", or that nothing further can be added?

Seems a bit strange, considering there's no such number caps on in game currencies or items.

Also sounds strange they'd make a definitive statement such as "nothing can be added" that later on could turn into negative PR if things actually can and do get added.

For example, if the big number is a problem they could rebalance the way things are calculated; 3600 becomes 2000 or something, lower CPs until the "vertical cap" unaffected, amount of champion points per star required reduced and amount of stars/horizontal options increased etc.

Many MMOs have (re)balanced numbers in the past when health/dmg numbers etc have become absurd. ESO also did a big numbers rebalance in... 2015? Basically max health used to be 2000-3000 (there was also a soft cap back with dampening if you tried to stack one thing too much), they just basically added a zero to everything for more precise calculations I suppose.

3600 seems like a way of kicking the ball down the road to deal with this problem at a later time. Having reached 3600 on xbox some years ago, I lost interest in the game and no longer play on xbox - there is a distinct lack of motivation because there isn't any further progression, in fact there isn't much to look forward to after around 1800. I've spoken to quite a few 3600 players that have also stopped playing because of it, but hey we've already spent lots of money in the game and ZOS only seem to think it's new players that spend money. They are not interested in veteran players, so I doubt anything will change.

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

3600 is the absolute maximum that the game can compute.

This was nagging me so I did some napkin calculations.

Worst case scenario, so we can see if 3600 is the absolute maximum.

You need 449276 XP to get to CP1800.
You need 1296826 XP to get from CP1800 to CP3600.

Total: 2.209bn XP.

Signed integer (32bit) is max 2.14bn, so the total XP goes over that. So it's probably unsigned. If the game calculates the total XP you have earned and assigns CP level based on that. This would mean if the XP is stored in a 32-bit variable, the max XP would be roughly 4.35bn XP.

There is also an XP jump from CP1800 to CP1801. About 225k jump. Taking this to account, CP3600 to CP3601 would probably require 1.52 million XP.

So if the XP is stored in one variable, and if it is a 32bit unsigned integer, you could earn 2.085bn XP more before the variable reaches limit. With the XP jump I estimated, that would mean the game could handle about ~1000 levels more.

If, however, the XP is stored in multiple variables, first one having CP10-CP1800, and the second CP1801-CP3600, then there is no limit. Add more variables. But let's keep it that the XP is in one unsigned 32bit int.

In the worst case scenario, if the XP is stored in one single variable, and that variable is 32bit, and there would be a similar jump in required XP as there is from CP1800 to CP1801, then yeah, the game is operating almost at its limit. Although 2bn XP would still be possible, that would correspond to approximately 1000 levels. But still, it would be almost the same grind for those 1000 levels as it is from CP10 to CP3600. So in this worst case scenario, they could technically add 1000 more levels, and CP3601 to CP4600 would require about 2bn XP. 2.2bn to CP3600 and 4.3bn (total) to CP4600. If my guesstimations are correct, then technically, CP4600 is the absolute limit.

Disclaimer: no idea how the game handles the earned XP. No idea what kind of variables they use. I'm just guessing here.

edit: a zero was missing from my excel. Corrected. Rough estimation done thusly: Assuming XP is stored in unsigned int (max 4.3bn) and CP3600 requires total of 2.2bn XP. That leaves approximately 2bn. Calculating that CP3601 would require 1.5 million extra XP, and each subsequent level needs 1000 xp more (in reality it seems to be a bit less increase). With that, did the excel calculation again and about 1000 extra levels corresponds to 2bn XP. So yeah, if the variable is a single 32bit unsigned int, then you could add 1000 (not 100 as I originally wrote) more levels.

Meh, they probably ignored it because it's a problem for 0.00000001% of players, so unfortunately you lost to an Excel spreadsheet.

On the other hand, too high CP could potentially deter/discourage new players who don't know that high CP doesn't matter and would interpret it as a power level ("I need to grind for 15 years to match this dude's level?!! I'm out!").

Although, on further reflection, I think it would be safe to increase the limit as long as it doesn't exceed 9000.

/script JumpToHouse("@Hateful_Huske")

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

maximum 32bit (singned) integer of ~2.1bn XP.

Are you sure it's signed? You can't have minus XP.

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

Oh, but there are. Here is a video of the gold cap, which has been rounded down to exactly 2.1bn gold for convenience and ease of use. Btw that is @RichestGuyinEso

Ok, this seems to indicate a signed variable. Why on earth would that be signed? You can't have negative gold in your inventory so there is no reason for this to be signed.

Hm. Around CP750 you have accumulated about 100M XP. The old level cap was CP810. So perhaps the XP gained in CP1.0 is in one variable, and then they introduced a second variable for CP2.0 and for some bizarre reason they made it signed. That way the CP1.0 variable (that may still exist in the code as legacy) tracks XP until CP810 and from that point on the CP811-CP3600 is in another variable that is 32bit signed int. That would make the numbers match. I just have no idea why you would use signed when it's not needed, but hey, I am not coding ESO. But if that is the implementation, then yes, CP3600 is the max unless a third variable is introduced.

Sigh. This talk about whether or not it's using a 32-bit signed integer is nonsensical, because there is no need for the game to track your total earned XP, and the evidence clearly shows that there is no tracking of cumulative XP.

If it tracked your cumulative XP and instead calculated your CP from that, then it means that when CP costs are reduced, people should immediately get more CPs. CP costs have been rebalanced multiple times. Back when CP was soft-capped and the cap raised every patch, the CP cost formula was adjusted every patch too. Not to mention the major cost adjustments when the soft cap was first introduced and years later when the soft cap was removed. It's clear then that the only two things that are tracked are your current CP and the amount of XP earned since the previous point.

Furthermore, because CP used to be far more expensive, the cumulative XP would've definitely overflowed a signed 32-bit integer in the past, if the cumulative XP was actually tracked, which it isn't.

(Not that any of this is relevant. There are good non-technical gameplay reasons for the cap, such as not scaring away new players, and there is no need to invoke technical reasons to say that removing the cap is a bad idea.)

Quoting myself from the other thread asking for the CP cap to be removed.

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

Throwing my two cents in: I’m not a CP3600 player, but I was capped at 810 and I hated it. Endless vertical progression is bad design for a game like this, and adding more incentives only deepens an already flawed system.

After twelve years of playing, I'm still unclear whether ESO’s One Tamriel overhaul is meant to support a horizontal progression system (example: Guild Wars) or commit to vertical progression like EverQuest or WoW, and that lack of direction is a real problem.

You have the 1-50 leveling experience, the world is scaled to CP160 and the soft cap for power is 1800 and content difficulty is optimized for various figures between. Anything below CP160 is effectively wasted time, and anything above it is just artificial inflation. Increasing the cap further only deepens the grind and gates more players from content they may already be capable of enjoying and completing. I've been grouped with CP2000 players that can't handle basic veteran dungeon mechanics so it's not really a metric of anything but time spent. That's a useless metric too because... How? Grinding dolmens during double XP events? That's not teaching you anything.

code65536 wrote: »

What's with this recent spate of CP threads?

KazaiDaGod wrote: »

Because of this I have not started any Worm Cult questing hoping to hope there is any chance. Honestly I cannot see myself starting any new content.

Sorry, but that's silly. People should do the content... for the content. For the story, for the challenge, etc. If the only reason you do something is to advance a number that had stopped mattering about 1000 CP ago.....

This is a RPG. Take out the experience and start from the start. Wether you call it experience or CP, its the same
ESO is half way there and ZOS , I want to be there all the way

What about a discount on the yearly subscription for eso+ lowering it to 100 euro. After all 3600cp are pratically Tamriel residents lol

just adjusted the title and added "ZOS we need a LifeTimeExperience API" PLEASE....

Stopped caring about my cp after 1600 or so, am now at somewhere around 2600-2700 ish I forget lol. Idk what they could do with it that wouldn't just make more power creep but I dont think they expected many to bother grinding that high, and I rarely see people that high ever as is. Maybe some cosmetics and so on, mounts etc. I do believe I remember them saying though that they'd arbitrarily raise the cap when more fans got that high potentially.