Bombing should take coordination between a small group

joshisanonymous · January 14

The fact that this is a solo player activity makes it far too accessible to trolling. Yes, it's a potential counter to zergs and ball groups, and it's needed for that, but it should take a modicum of strategy to deploy. We had bombing back in PvP games like DAoC, too, but it wasn't really achievable for a solo player, and since it wasn't, it served its purpose for zerg busting while not completely ruining every other type of encounter. It's just not fun at the typical form of combat.

Friendly-assasin81 · January 14

Lately there has been more bombs fighting my group than ball groups and zergs combined....
Its mad that one person can stand on the top of a keep and kill 6-12 people in one go....
Just press 3-4 buttons not even being close to us and we are all dead from a 20k vicious death or 90k proxi det...
Its just mad...
Dont even want to play pvp anymore.
Do something about it!! Its sucking the life out of pvp in cyrodiil!!

Oblivion_Protocol · January 15

joshisanonymous wrote: »

The fact that this is a solo player activity makes it far too accessible to trolling. Yes, it's a potential counter to zergs and ball groups, and it's needed for that, but it should take a modicum of strategy to deploy. We had bombing back in PvP games like DAoC, too, but it wasn't really achievable for a solo player, and since it wasn't, it served its purpose for zerg busting while not completely ruining every other type of encounter. It's just not fun at the typical form of combat.

Hi, solo bomber, here. I hate to break it to you, but bombing consistently does require a group effort. A solo player can get some lucky bombs off here and there, but for the most part? Groups these days spread out, hold block, have between 35 and 50k HP, and are shielded so heavily that they could survive literal nukes.

And that’s when you can find groups with more than three or four people in Cyro. Now I play on PC NA, so maybe the console players are running around acting as easy bomb bait. But I can assure you that your experience isn’t the same as everyone else’s.

Besides, there are WAY bigger problems than bombing.

Sluggy · January 15

I get that it feels bad when you die because someone nearby wasn't paying attention but for the most part, Cyrodiil has hyper-evolved the playerbase to the point that it rarely happens much these days and when it does, it usually doesn't surprise anyone and doesn't even matter because the fight was already over and they were all just repairing doors or heading to the wayshrine.

As for taking strategy: it does! You need to pick your targets and your timing wisely and then execute. One little mistake and it doesn't work. And even if you do everything right, a little bad luck and it doesn't work. It's probably one of the hardest styles of play there is in the game. Give me a giant axe and let me rush into a crowd swinging and screaming any day. I'll succeed far more than I would if I were skulking around in the shadows, testing my patience, and picking my moment.

imPDA · January 15

Friendly-assasin81 wrote: »

Its mad that one person can stand on the top of a keep and kill 6-12 people in one go....

It is mad how bad players become if they die from solo distant bomber...

WaywardArgonian · January 15

It remains one of the easiest playstyles to counter by just having situational awareness.

Friendly-assasin81 · January 15

Sluggy wrote: »

I get that it feels bad when you die because someone nearby wasn't paying attention but for the most part, Cyrodiil has hyper-evolved the playerbase to the point that it rarely happens much these days and when it does, it usually doesn't surprise anyone and doesn't even matter because the fight was already over and they were all just repairing doors or heading to the wayshrine.

Rarely happens??
In Greyhost EU Blue and Red players bomb on the way in, while defending, while attacking and multiple times in a row. So if you didnt die from the first one, you die from the 3 other attempts coming right after....

imPDA wrote: »

It is mad how bad players become if they die from solo distant bomber...

Really insightful there....

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

It remains one of the easiest playstyles to counter by just having situational awareness.

Have you played on Greyhost EU?

WaywardArgonian · January 15

Friendly-assasin81 wrote: »

Have you played on Greyhost EU?

Yes, for 5+ years.

ShutUpitsRed · January 15

Solo bombing is only possible when people are AFK or in a big ol' cuddle pile around a flag lol, and even then only if they've allowed a low health noob around them. Skill issue.

Friendly-assasin81 · January 15

ShutUpitsRed wrote: »

Solo bombing is only possible when people are AFK or in a big ol' cuddle pile around a flag lol, and even then only if they've allowed a low health noob around them. Skill issue.

So if you are a group of players with 32k health or above and all of us blocking and then a random pug is there and then you are dead.
How the hell is that skill issue?

ShutUpitsRed · January 16

Friendly-assasin81 wrote: »

So if you are a group of players with 32k health or above and all of us blocking and then a random pug is there and then you are dead.
How the hell is that skill issue?

Did you read the rest of the comment? Be aware of your surroundings and don't stack lol, it's really that simple. Get out of the cuddle huddle.

WaywardArgonian · January 16

Bombing is almost formulaic in terms of where/when they hit. Some exceptions given. When I was bored I used to hunt bombers with a detection potion and Soul Assault. It's really easy to snuff them out. Even if you don't see them, just don't stand in the middle of a huge crowd and you should be fine. If you get bombed on a flag or a keep door it's just on you.

Vulkunne · January 16

Nah, bombing already occurs when strong aoes are brought down on weak groups of enemies. Bombing is just something that happens anyways.

Besides small groups are already creating bombing conditions by simply playing the game.

xFocused · January 17

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

The fact that this is a solo player activity makes it far too accessible to trolling. Yes, it's a potential counter to zergs and ball groups, and it's needed for that, but it should take a modicum of strategy to deploy. We had bombing back in PvP games like DAoC, too, but it wasn't really achievable for a solo player, and since it wasn't, it served its purpose for zerg busting while not completely ruining every other type of encounter. It's just not fun at the typical form of combat.

Hi, solo bomber, here. I hate to break it to you, but bombing consistently does require a group effort. A solo player can get some lucky bombs off here and there, but for the most part? Groups these days spread out, hold block, have between 35 and 50k HP, and are shielded so heavily that they could survive literal nukes.

And that’s when you can find groups with more than three or four people in Cyro. Now I play on PC NA, so maybe the console players are running around acting as easy bomb bait. But I can assure you that your experience isn’t the same as everyone else’s.

Besides, there are WAY bigger problems than bombing.

PS NA here and I like to solo bomb quite a bit. It’s the same. Literally almost everyone is stacking health and shields these days. You can still get decent pops and bombs off but it takes a little bit more effort than previously. Still fun though and satisfying when you take down a Zerg or ball group

The_Meathead · January 17

I actually have quite a bit of respect for skilled Bombers.

What I don't have respect for is RoA. It's too much, too easy, and WAY too prevalent.

Whether it's used by Ballgroups or Bombers, I personally feel like the targeting and grouping of your enemies should be a huge part of the actual skill/talent/whatever you want to call it, and not a near-universal gimme.

Good bombers existed long before the set and they'd exist after, but RoA needs a 'monsters only' tag on it to return the difficulty of the playstyle to where imo it belongs. Maybe that's a bit of a tangent, and I really am supportive of Bombers as a playstyle (don't ask me in the moment, of course

) because it keeps us all on our toes and adds to Cyrodiil's feel, but man does RoA need to go.

Oblivion_Protocol · January 19

The_Meathead wrote: »

I actually have quite a bit of respect for skilled Bombers.

What I don't have respect for is RoA. It's too much, too easy, and WAY too prevalent.

Whether it's used by Ballgroups or Bombers, I personally feel like the targeting and grouping of your enemies should be a huge part of the actual skill/talent/whatever you want to call it, and not a near-universal gimme.

Good bombers existed long before the set and they'd exist after, but RoA needs a 'monsters only' tag on it to return the difficulty of the playstyle to where imo it belongs. Maybe that's a bit of a tangent, and I really am supportive of Bombers as a playstyle (don't ask me in the moment, of course ) because it keeps us all on our toes and adds to Cyrodiil's feel, but man does RoA need to go.

This might be controversial around these parts, but I don’t think RoA is a problem anymore. You can see it coming from a mile away with the changes to it. Someone just suddenly shows up in the middle of your group? Hold block, problem solved.

The issue is the ball groups that lag the hell out of everyone, making your response time garbage. By the time you know RoA went off, you’re already clumped up with five other people exploding.

Friendly-assasin81 · February 7

I know the tread is kinda old but the new bomb now is just mental. Kills you on the first tic, takes no skill to do and works on almost everything. Dont even have to be in sneak anymore.... You just press 3 buttons and all the people are suddenly dead. Only way to counter is to block, break free and dodge roll away. But you need to be lucky to be able to get that far....
In the old days you had to be really skilled and only a few where skilled enough pulling of a good bomb. I actually applauded several of the bombers back then and whispered "nice bomb" to them. Now, everyone can do it and its just lazy...

Oblivion_Protocol · February 7

Friendly-assasin81 wrote: »

I know the tread is kinda old but the new bomb now is just mental. Kills you on the first tic, takes no skill to do and works on almost everything. Dont even have to be in sneak anymore.... You just press 3 buttons and all the people are suddenly dead. Only way to counter is to block, break free and dodge roll away. But you need to be lucky to be able to get that far....
In the old days you had to be really skilled and only a few where skilled enough pulling of a good bomb. I actually applauded several of the bombers back then and whispered "nice bomb" to them. Now, everyone can do it and its just lazy...

I’ve been playing bombers for years now, and I can tell you that it’s not as easy as you think it is. With all the healing and shields going around, most groups can survive solo and even small group bombing attempts. You have to get real lucky and find some squishy player with like 28-30k HP who isn’t paying attention.

(What’s really mental is the fact that 30k HP is now considered “squishy” in this meta)

Iriidius · February 7

Bombing already requires multiple players if the target group is tanky or stacking HoT/shields (Which not only ballgroups do but also some zerg groups who only pvdoor and Xv1).
You only get solobombed if you are stackinh without paying any attention and occasionaly getting bombed because you are not payinng attention is definitely still a less frustrating experience than playing solo and getting focussed by every group on sight.

When bombing requires a coordinated group it can only be done on a faction that has enaugh coordinated group players and that is usually not the faction that gets constantly zerged and PvDoored and needs bombers the most.

There is already very little you can do solo on outnumbered faction against a zerging faction. If you take that away too you better just stop playing when you dont have group(actually you better do now already) and when you stop playing you wont meet players to group either.

When outnumbered faction quits because they cant do anything than the outnumbering faction has nobody to fight and will somewhen quit too. PvP will die when everyone quits.