About the unneeded and unwanted visual refresh of skill lines...

Twohothardware · January 10

If you don't like the visual changes of the classes they are overhauling then use one of the classes that they aren't currently changing.

Pevey · January 10

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

Also, on the flip side, please add as many overstimulating effects as possible. Like, I want to see space unicorns vomiting rainbows and sparkles every time I visit a city. Am I kidding? Who knows anymore. XD

So, a fan of Borderlands 2/3 then?

I adore Borderlands 2/3 (and the first game, and the Pre-Sequel, and Tiny Tina's Adventure standalone game), and I find it a LOT easier to see what is going on in the game amidst all the effect than I do in ESO.

mdjessup4906 · January 11

They can already swap animations with the customized actions. I wonder if combat animations can be done like that. Custom skill styles and animations.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · January 11

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NeoniKa wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

I think they look incredible personally!

The problem is that the new effects are even more exaggerated, and the game is already infested with enough exaggerated effects. We really need less intrusive alternatives, and even ones without lighting effects, just movement and no noise.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

How I feel every time someone summons a crown store mount - and soon every skill.

Good lmao I spent good gold for someone else to spend good dollars for good crowns to get the good crates for my ballin mount. I want to make sure you see the flash ._.

I think they're missing a business opportunity: I'd pay double what you paid for one of those hideous mounts, just to not see or hear them and be able to play in peace.

xD Okay lol *vroom vroom*

"Ha ha causing people pain and headaches"

Dimorphos · January 11

As I keep saying: It is impossible to please everyone. No matter what the developers decide to do, someone and usually many people will complain no matter what.

If I wouldn't mind about visual eye candy, I would be playing board games or just read books. But I do love visual eye candy. Everything that they do to enhance skill visuals and to enhance the environment and to make the game look more immersive and more up to date is DAMN GOOD THING!

NeoniKa · January 11

Dimorphos wrote: »

As I keep saying: It is impossible to please everyone. No matter what the developers decide to do, someone and usually many people will complain no matter what.

If I wouldn't mind about visual eye candy, I would be playing board games or just read books. But I do love visual eye candy. Everything that they do to enhance skill visuals and to enhance the environment and to make the game look more immersive and more up to date is DAMN GOOD THING!

I've been playing video games avidly for over 40 years, and I've never seen a single game that was more immersive because of its exaggerated, intrusive, and tasteless lighting effects. Quite the opposite. Even in the Elder Scrolls games, only in this one do I see such childish things, especially mounts with excessive effects, and curiously, it became less immersive. Personally, the excess of useless visual and audio noise is what makes me lose the desire to play.

BretonMage · January 11

Dimorphos wrote: »

As I keep saying: It is impossible to please everyone. No matter what the developers decide to do, someone and usually many people will complain no matter what.

I would say that giving us an option to disable customisations on our side would not be controversial at all. We love options.

Radiate77 · January 11

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NeoniKa wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

I think they look incredible personally!

The problem is that the new effects are even more exaggerated, and the game is already infested with enough exaggerated effects. We really need less intrusive alternatives, and even ones without lighting effects, just movement and no noise.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

How I feel every time someone summons a crown store mount - and soon every skill.

Good lmao I spent good gold for someone else to spend good dollars for good crowns to get the good crates for my ballin mount. I want to make sure you see the flash ._.

I think they're missing a business opportunity: I'd pay double what you paid for one of those hideous mounts, just to not see or hear them and be able to play in peace.

xD Okay lol *vroom vroom*

"Ha ha causing people pain and headaches"

Not to downplay your problem, but have you tried going into your settings to mess with your game’s contrast and brightness?

There might be a fix in there to your issue.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · January 13

Radiate77 wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NeoniKa wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

I think they look incredible personally!

The problem is that the new effects are even more exaggerated, and the game is already infested with enough exaggerated effects. We really need less intrusive alternatives, and even ones without lighting effects, just movement and no noise.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

How I feel every time someone summons a crown store mount - and soon every skill.

Good lmao I spent good gold for someone else to spend good dollars for good crowns to get the good crates for my ballin mount. I want to make sure you see the flash ._.

I think they're missing a business opportunity: I'd pay double what you paid for one of those hideous mounts, just to not see or hear them and be able to play in peace.

xD Okay lol *vroom vroom*

"Ha ha causing people pain and headaches"

Not to downplay your problem, but have you tried going into your settings to mess with your game’s contrast and brightness?

There might be a fix in there to your issue.

I shouldn't need to make all of my game look way worse because of effects that didn't exist for years. Even with my mild issues I would need to make noticeable graphic changes to make all of the effects that can appear randomly whenenver less. Can't imagine how it is for someone who has more severe issues than me.

Whizzinglane · January 13

The Dragon Blood animation for DK is VERY brief; it disappears quickly after activating the skill. I really like the old animation, where it remains until the skill ends.

I like the activation of the rework skill; if only it remained afterwards. Also, the animation is too bright. Turn it down. Thanks.

JimT722 · January 13

I hated dragon blood for the same reason I hated that one sorcerer skill. it's way too visually distracting. the new one is an improvement for sure. I also like that they are getting rid of poison and returning to the original fire theme. if they do something about all the new wing skill visuals then it's a win.

I just hope the skills are viable enough that we can see a reduction in use of arcanist. nearly everyone running one skill as a dps is a little much.

CAB_Life · January 13

I'm in the let’s modernize the combat and vfx camp sorry. You can always dial the graphics down to low and turn ally effects off if that's what you want. But even asking for things like a toggle is unnecessary development time for something that most people probably don’t even want. Some of the visuals are positively geriatric and that will turn off new or even returning players at first glance.

BretonMage · January 13

CAB_Life wrote: »

Some of the visuals are positively geriatric and that will turn off new or even returning players at first glance.

Most successful modern games don't feature blinding visual effects. I can play other games like BG3 or Expedition 33 just fine, and I see others in my family play games like Valorant, Path of Exile or quite literally anything else. None of them are as garish as the new skill styles I'm seeing in ESO. And you can't tell me Valorant is geriatric.

randconfig · January 13

I've wanted visual updates for a long time, so I disagree.

CAB_Life · January 13

BretonMage wrote: »

CAB_Life wrote: »

Some of the visuals are positively geriatric and that will turn off new or even returning players at first glance.

Most successful modern games don't feature blinding visual effects. I can play other games like BG3 or Expedition 33 just fine, and I see others in my family play games like Valorant, Path of Exile or quite literally anything else. None of them are as garish as the new skill styles I'm seeing in ESO. And you can't tell me Valorant is geriatric.

Sorry what? POE is seizure-inducing and has full screen extreme vfx. You can't even tell what's happening on screen most of the time. And that game is incidentally quite geriatric too. BG3 and E33 are also turn based RPGs. Let's compare apples to apples please. WOW is certainly an example of an MMORPG with far too much visual clutter but eso is objectively no where near as bad.

Also most of the PTS participants and streamers enjoy the changes so the vocal minority who are against modernization and flashiness are likely to be ignored. That's not me being rude or snarky just realistic.

The dragon scale animation is ridiculous though and I do hope they change it.

CAB_Life · January 13

Whizzinglane wrote: »

The Blood of the Dragon animation for DK is VERY brief; it disappears quickly after activating the skill. I really like the old animation, where it remains until the skill ends.

I like the activation of the rework skill; if only it remained afterwards. Also, the animation is too bright. Tune it down thanks.

They probably did this so that your cosmetics are no longer obscured/ overwritten by vfx.

moderatelyfatman · January 13

NeoniKa wrote: »

Please! I implore ZOS, if you really want to add new, excessively unpleasant visual effects, like in most so-called "visual updates," at least don't remove the original effects and let us choose what we prefer to use.

I've always had a lot of trouble creating my builds because I only use skills with the most subtle and least intrusive visuals. And now that I've seen an example of the terrible new visual effects for dragonknights, which are much more exaggerated, I'm really worried about the visual refresh for classes.

We already have so much visual noise with pets, mounts, and other silly things with exaggerated, tasteless light effects; it would be a disaster to have the same happen to skill lines without giving us the option to preserve the originals.

Make this an option, not something forced. I'm even willing to pay to not use the visual refresh of the skills, or even do the opposite, sell these refreshes and leave those who don't want them alone. Please!

And one more important thing: these new effects will surely bring even more noise and confusion to the game, not only visually but also audibly. Perhaps it would be a good time to give us a slider that would allow us to reduce or disable the sound effects of other players, including their pets.

Maybe when ZOS said they were balancing the other classes to match the arcanist they weren't talking about damage but about light pollution?

MXVIIDREAM · January 13

For me it’s the new dk armour it’s hideous and the heart hanging off the top of your head with elder blood looks ridiculous ruined my main I hope to god they get changed adjusted given the option to toggle the old one idk but they have me wanting to just put down the game before it goes live

BretonMage · January 13

CAB_Life wrote: »

Sorry what? POE is seizure-inducing and has full screen extreme vfx. You can't even tell what's happening on screen most of the time. And that game is incidentally quite geriatric too. BG3 and E33 are also turn based RPGs. Let's compare apples to apples please. WOW is certainly an example of an MMORPG with far too much visual clutter but eso is objectively no where near as bad.

We're talking aesthetics here, not gameplay, so it doesn't matter what genre the game is. My point was that having flashy visual effects isn't necessary to attract players. After all, indie games without any flashiness are starting to attract more attention than big budget games these days. Gamers will like whatever is fun to play or whatever their friends are playing. But it needs to actually be fun, not just mimic fun activities by association, which is what the flashy effects are trying to do.

And btw my partner plays POE for several hours every day in the living room, and I have yet to see the eye-blistering shade of purple/violet/magenta they're trying to foist on us here in ESO.

Malyore · January 13

CAB_Life wrote: »

I'm in the let’s modernize the combat and vfx camp sorry. You can always dial the graphics down to low and turn ally effects off if that's what you want. But even asking for things like a toggle is unnecessary development time for something that most people probably don’t even want. Some of the visuals are positively geriatric and that will turn off new or even returning players at first glance.

How do I change those settings on console?

SwordOfSagas · January 13

yeah lets just not change anything and let the game die in piece... I actually like the new look of the dk skills and can not wait to see sorcerers update and I'm a day one player. Things change, the game has to adapt or die.

SwordOfSagas · January 13

Malyore wrote: »

Wup_sa wrote: »

All we can do is hope that the devs hear us during pts and won't force changes through again with deaf ears.

Indeed.
@ZOS_Kevin this might be one easy to implement (hopefully?) step into that building of trust and rapport by hearing, finally, the people asking for the option of less flashy things.
Even if the old animations and assets themselves can't be preserved on the animation storage space... maybe some sort of option to at least turn down the VFX "volume" on the skills, as is done with the Arcanists beam from other players' perspectives? Something to decrease its opacity and radiance.

They wouldn't keep making them if they weren't selling. Flashy cars sell, just like mounts I guess. They got to make money some how or the game wouldn't exist, you do get 4 normal looking mounts to choose from if you don't like your horse to have neons. But yeah by all means they should add a toggle for vfx.

BardokRedSnow · January 14

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

NeoniKa wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

I think they look incredible personally!

The problem is that the new effects are even more exaggerated, and the game is already infested with enough exaggerated effects. We really need less intrusive alternatives, and even ones without lighting effects, just movement and no noise.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

How I feel every time someone summons a crown store mount - and soon every skill.

Good lmao I spent good gold for someone else to spend good dollars for good crowns to get the good crates for my ballin mount. I want to make sure you see the flash ._.

I think they're missing a business opportunity: I'd pay double what you paid for one of those hideous mounts, just to not see or hear them and be able to play in peace.

xD Okay lol *vroom vroom*

"Ha ha causing people pain and headaches"

XD seriously some of yall are too sensitive

Theyre never making radiants less cool because some of yall cant handle flash, try some sunglasses or something

NoireJin the Witchking · January 14

nah i dont want to have to learn the pattern on 2 type of anims in PVP im good with the new ones not to mention having to anims stored to appease the oldheads is beyond unfeasible. get with the change or get left behind.