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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/684716

Future of Battlegrounds

  • Radiate77
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    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Yup, can’t have balanced PvP without role-queue.

    Roles mean nothing. Proper MMR won't work either cuz of low pop of bgs. ESO needs to mix up all the people in one kettle, without this no match will start.

    Yet, for the entirety of New World’s last 2 weeks before an EoS announcement, 3v3 Arena had role-queue, and matches were made in less than 3 minutes each.

    I’d go back and play it for another year but who wants to play a game on EoS?
  • ImpostorSyndrome
    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Yup, can’t have balanced PvP without role-queue.

    Roles mean nothing. Proper MMR won't work either cuz of low pop of bgs. ESO needs to mix up all the people in one kettle, without this no match will start.

    Yet, for the entirety of New World’s last 2 weeks before an EoS announcement, 3v3 Arena had role-queue, and matches were made in less than 3 minutes each.

    I’d go back and play it for another year but who wants to play a game on EoS?

    Roles in ESO mean nothing because people don't care about them. Most people will register matches on fake roles.
    Ubi facta loquuntrur nоn opus est verbis
  • Radiate77
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    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Yup, can’t have balanced PvP without role-queue.

    Roles mean nothing. Proper MMR won't work either cuz of low pop of bgs. ESO needs to mix up all the people in one kettle, without this no match will start.

    Yet, for the entirety of New World’s last 2 weeks before an EoS announcement, 3v3 Arena had role-queue, and matches were made in less than 3 minutes each.

    I’d go back and play it for another year but who wants to play a game on EoS?

    Roles in ESO mean nothing because people don't care about them. Most people will register matches on fake roles.

    Yeah, if the game let’s them. You don’t just add role-queue to PvP and not add any restrictions to who can queue for what. And you can have 3 DDs on a team for their 3v3, and it works.

    In New World damage dealer roles have no restrictions, healer roles need 300 focus(healing stat) and tanks need a specific gem in their weapons.

    They could add a resistance requirements to tank role queue, and a max magicka requirement to the healer one, I’m surprised this hasn’t been done for Random Matchmaking problems already.
    Edited by Radiate77 on October 31, 2025 7:06PM
  • ImpostorSyndrome
    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Yup, can’t have balanced PvP without role-queue.

    Roles mean nothing. Proper MMR won't work either cuz of low pop of bgs. ESO needs to mix up all the people in one kettle, without this no match will start.

    Yet, for the entirety of New World’s last 2 weeks before an EoS announcement, 3v3 Arena had role-queue, and matches were made in less than 3 minutes each.

    I’d go back and play it for another year but who wants to play a game on EoS?

    Roles in ESO mean nothing because people don't care about them. Most people will register matches on fake roles.

    Yeah, if the game let’s them. You don’t just add role-queue to PvP and not add any restrictions to who can queue for what. And you can have 3 DDs on a team for their 3v3, and it works.

    In New World damage dealer roles have no restrictions, healer roles need 300 focus(healing stat) and tanks need a specific gem in their weapons.

    They could add a resistance requirements to tank role queue, and a max magicka requirement to the healer one, I’m surprised this hasn’t been done for Random Matchmaking problems already.

    Considering how flexible the build system is in ESO, resistance and base resource values ​​don't mean anything. Even a DD can have high resistance stats, or any DD can have max magic.
    Ubi facta loquuntrur nоn opus est verbis
  • Radiate77
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    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Yup, can’t have balanced PvP without role-queue.

    Roles mean nothing. Proper MMR won't work either cuz of low pop of bgs. ESO needs to mix up all the people in one kettle, without this no match will start.

    Yet, for the entirety of New World’s last 2 weeks before an EoS announcement, 3v3 Arena had role-queue, and matches were made in less than 3 minutes each.

    I’d go back and play it for another year but who wants to play a game on EoS?

    Roles in ESO mean nothing because people don't care about them. Most people will register matches on fake roles.

    Yeah, if the game let’s them. You don’t just add role-queue to PvP and not add any restrictions to who can queue for what. And you can have 3 DDs on a team for their 3v3, and it works.

    In New World damage dealer roles have no restrictions, healer roles need 300 focus(healing stat) and tanks need a specific gem in their weapons.

    They could add a resistance requirements to tank role queue, and a max magicka requirement to the healer one, I’m surprised this hasn’t been done for Random Matchmaking problems already.

    Considering how flexible the build system is in ESO, resistance and base resource values ​​don't mean anything. Even a DD can have high resistance stats, or any DD can have max magic.

    Just suggestions, there are other ways to go about making it work, there is a track record of it working elsewhere, in other MMOs with complex gearing systems and builds.
  • Moonspawn
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    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Radiate77 wrote: »
    Yup, can’t have balanced PvP without role-queue.

    Roles mean nothing. Proper MMR won't work either cuz of low pop of bgs. ESO needs to mix up all the people in one kettle, without this no match will start.

    Yet, for the entirety of New World’s last 2 weeks before an EoS announcement, 3v3 Arena had role-queue, and matches were made in less than 3 minutes each.

    I’d go back and play it for another year but who wants to play a game on EoS?

    Roles in ESO mean nothing because people don't care about them. Most people will register matches on fake roles.

    Yeah, if the game let’s them. You don’t just add role-queue to PvP and not add any restrictions to who can queue for what. And you can have 3 DDs on a team for their 3v3, and it works.

    In New World damage dealer roles have no restrictions, healer roles need 300 focus(healing stat) and tanks need a specific gem in their weapons.

    They could add a resistance requirements to tank role queue, and a max magicka requirement to the healer one, I’m surprised this hasn’t been done for Random Matchmaking problems already.

    Considering how flexible the build system is in ESO, resistance and base resource values ​​don't mean anything. Even a DD can have high resistance stats, or any DD can have max magic.

    Just suggestions, there are other ways to go about making it work, there is a track record of it working elsewhere, in other MMOs with complex gearing systems and builds.

    Dealing with certain situations often requires changing builds after the match has already begun. Wouldn't that allow for bypassing restrictions?
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  • Haki_7
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    Team didn't want to grab the chaosballs, so the FUN went on and on for almost 14 minutes.
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    99 out of 100 matches seem handcrafted to drive people away.
  • Kelenan7368
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    My opinion is the 3 alliance team PVP needs to return. I am not bashing the new 2 team format, I like it but variety make the game better.

    So keep the 2 team matches but retore the 3 team games as well.

    And a wish for the future, make a 2 team Chaos Ball BG with obstacles and traps with say 3 to 4 different maps!

    That would be a welcome addition to PVP!

    And maybe an open world PVP toggle?
  • ImpostorSyndrome
    My opinion is the 3 alliance team PVP needs to return. I am not bashing the new 2 team format, I like it but variety make the game better.

    So keep the 2 team matches but retore the 3 team games as well.

    And a wish for the future, make a 2 team Chaos Ball BG with obstacles and traps with say 3 to 4 different maps!

    That would be a welcome addition to PVP!

    And maybe an open world PVP toggle?

    The current number of players participating in Battlegrounds does not allow them to be spread even further across other modes. As you can see, ZOS already allows matches to start even when the number of players on each team is unequal, which further supports the theory of a player shortage.
    The only solution that could preserve the current state of Battlegrounds, without making the already poor situation worse, is the introduction of cross-platform gameplay — which, most likely, will not happen anytime soon.
    Ubi facta loquuntrur nоn opus est verbis
  • cuddles_with_wroble
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    this has been said a million times but ill say it again, it doesnt matter if you make them 2 team or 3 team bgs will always be dead unless you:

    A ) revamp the maps and game modes to incentivize pvp

    and

    B ) add a real mmr system so we can have somewhat balanced matches that arent 1 sided stomps

    currently all of the game modes we have aside from maybe chaos ball can be won almost entirely without pvping at all and just running away from other players, this fundamentally should not be allowed in a PvP game mode where the entire goal should be to PVP.

    PvP is about competition and the satisfaction of knowing you outplayed someone who can critically think and outsmart you, unlike PvE where the mobs always do the same thing and the fight never changes. people adapt and thats what makes PvP interesting
    Edited by cuddles_with_wroble on November 1, 2025 7:40PM
  • Haki_7
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    B ) add a real mmr system so we can have somewhat balanced matches that arent 1 sided stomps
    @cuddles_with_wroble but hasn't it already been formally demonstrated that all of the worst problems of two-teams bgs would remain even if population was infinite and matchmaking was perfect?

  • cuddles_with_wroble
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    Haki_7 wrote: »
    B ) add a real mmr system so we can have somewhat balanced matches that arent 1 sided stomps
    @cuddles_with_wroble but hasn't it already been formally demonstrated that all of the worst problems of two-teams bgs would remain even if population was infinite and matchmaking was perfect?

    All of the problems of 3 team would also remain with infinite pop and matchmaking.

    Both versions are fine imo, if you fixed the game modes and the team balance than 2 team wouldn’t feel nearly as bad and might actually be fun.

    Ultimately I don’t care if the bgs are 2 sided or 3 sides, if you had equal team balance and real pvp game modes than I think it would be personal preference
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