• Were you able to successfully get into large-scale battles? Yes, although many of the battles were smaller in round 3 versus round 2 of vengeance testing (lower number of folks participating PS/NA).
• Did large-scale battles feel better latency-wise and how combat feels (responsive or not, fun or not, etc.)? I enjoyed the large battles. I didn't struggle with latency and the combat felt fun to me.
• What you think of the simplified abilities? They worked fine for me and my play style.
• Did any of your characters become ‘corrupted’ if they leave Cyrodiil mid battle, lost connection, got booted, hit lag, etc? No
• What are your initial thoughts on Vengeance Test? I play in Vengeance test when it is available because it is fun for me. I feel like I can contribute in Vengeance campaign to a group goal (defend keep, take keep, capture farm, etc.) Otherwise, I stay out of Cyrodiil except during Mayhem event, where I only stay long enough to get my daily ticket. The instant kills, and unkillable organized groups that farm players not in organized groups in regular Cyrodiil make it not fun for me.
• Do you have any general feedback? I am disappointed that this round of Vengeance testing was scheduled at the same time as the Undaunted event. I missed most days because I only had an hour or so to play that day and was busy doing Undaunted stuff with other players.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I can tell you that my PC-NA PvP guild loses players permanently every time that one of these Vengeance tests are run. People take the week off and then never come back. That is likely not unique to my guild, either. It is the more casual players, ironically, who have done the bulk of the leaving.

Anyway, I was a relative rarity in my guild in that I actually did pop-in for two nights. Population was down so the fights were not as grandiose as they had been in earlier tests. Really, there was just one large enemy faction-stack that was running the map and impossible to fight against with the limited Vengeance toolkit that overwhelmingly favors numbers.

I'll be real with you: the offensive target cap has GO TO GO if you want Vengeance to have any semblance of a chance at long-term success. It is FAR too punishing to outnumbered sides when their offensive abilities can only strike 3 out of potentially dozens of players within an AOE field.

You can't DO anything with that. You can't coordinate damage or precise burst combinations when it is all but RNG as to whom your attacks are going to be selected to strike. Your own attacks might not even hit the same targets, even when they overlap AOEs, let alone those of your allies. When damage is unpredictably diffused across a group of enemies like that, it irreversibly tilts the playing field in favor of numbers, which incentivizes a race-to-the-bottom to assemble ever-larger zergs and faction stacks.

This is basic knowledge that the PvP devs of yesteryear already discovered and proved. Offensive target caps were abolished then and they should be abolished again. You should be looking for ways to incentivize players spreading out across the map rather than all concentrating at the same location.

jameson71 wrote: »

The success of vengeance was proven by all the guild ball groups rage quitting until vengeance was over and yet Cyrodiil being full even with the dramatically larger population caps.