NxJoeyD wrote: »

Moonspawn wrote: »

NxJoeyD wrote: »

Moonspawn wrote: »

NxJoeyD wrote: »

Haki_7 wrote: »

Green was getting spawncamped, so one of their teammates ditched them. It would have been counter productive in 4v4v4, where they would have tried to escape the sandwich together. But this is 8v8, and so people play by 8v8 rules: Orange had some newcomers in need of spawncamping.

The numbers speak for themselves:

Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 102: Waiting 23 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/EU)

https://youtu.be/kVQ6IEyew5s

Deathmatch is one of the few BG modes where spawn camping is productive; especially in the current state. That’s because your team can better control the combat.

Look at your own numbers; Green got spawn camped DESPITE having a healer and DESPITE Orange NOT having any outward healer. .. Further, look at the damage output numbers, only two players on Green surpassed 200k worth of outward damage yet 5 of the Orange team were over 300k.

Sometimes it’s not enough for us to say that one team got spawn camped unless we look at the how or why it happened.

In your own match recap here, if we presumably added a 3rd team of 4 players who’s to say that those players wouldn’t be similar to the Green team in terms of build & mechanics? .. If that were the case then having a 3rd team would result in nothing more than extra players for the Orange team to kill, whichever spawn they chose to camp. As players ran into the combat area Orange would just kill them, just like they did the Greens .. and why is that? It’s because Orange was outputting so much more damage that even though Green had a dedicated healer it didn’t matter.

And to be fair, continuing to use this example, I don’t think it’s correct that the main way that we advocate that the Green team have a chance at a win is to throw an extra team into the mix. That doesn’t do anything to address the mechanics that allowed this to occur in the first place.

Fix the mechanics first, then adjust teams and maps and game modes; otherwise they’ll all still be a mess.

Let us imagine then how fixing the crit meta would affect the third critical flaw. Back to the diagram:

''3. Spawncamping is encouraged by the two-sided format itself in every gamemode.''

• Spawncamping in a 3-sided match meant leaving your teammates outnumbered against the third team. Doing the same thing in 2-sided gives your own team the numerical advantage.
• If PvPers on both sides perceive the newfound usefulness of spawncamping, there's a decent chance they'll spend the entire match on opposite ends of the map. Not having to fight each other only makes the practice easier.
• It's no longer possible to use one team against another to escape the sandwich.

@NxJoeyD Considering this is a simulation where all 12 players are the same person, with same build, under the exact same circumstances, do you notice how the orange team would be left outnumbered against purple if any of its members decide to spawncamp green?

No, I don’t believe in that scenario that the Orange team would be outnumbered.

Is there any scenario in which 4 players outnumber 3?

Well YOUR, particular, scenarios require one to assume that one of the teams players is going to absolutely run off on their own and spawn camp; leaving their team short.

What I’m saying is that the main motivator for such an action is a player running the crit meta. If you reduce the crit meta (by adding resistances, for example) then those actions go away.