ESO_player123 wrote: »

Horace-Wimp wrote: »

And let us port out of Cyro from wherever we happen to be and not HAVE to find and use a wayshrine. It took me over an hour to [snip] if that zone the first time I went there and I haven't been back since.

@Horace-Wimp Just queue for IC, port there when prompted, use exit door and you will appear in the same sport you were when you ported to Cyro.

sorry, im playing eso since 2015, and i just want that the devs do something for people who dont want to do pve
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aza_sel wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

I don't pvp really and I support a new version of an updated imperial city post plane meld, post 3 banners war as a dlc zone for sure. Leaving the pvp IC of course. But to ask to go into a pvp only zone, and be immune to pvp is hubris. If they wanna fish in a pve zone they might get attacked by mobs. You wanna fish there? You see where I'm going?

as i said: or take PVP achievements out of housing.
im not sure if you do housing, but think you dont. check my posts in this thread, maybe you know why. then.

Brother I get it. You want the boat. I do too but I don't like fishing. So take the fishing out of housing. Do you see where this leads. You want the thing, you need to do the activity that gets you thing. I wanted the veteran hard mode sunspire dragon statues for a build. Yes I do housing, though you assumed I didn't. Those statues require you to beat those dragons on hard mode. So guess what I had to do to get them. Hard mode sunspire. I'm a fairly ok vet trial dps and a pretty mid tank, depending on the trial. But hard mode is newer to my group. It took us a couple trial nights to get it.

The point being there's cool housing stuff locked behind many aspects of the game. That's by design. It gets you to try new things IF you want the shiny. I mean I guess they could take the housing out of trials, pvp, scrying, plans out of urns and backpacks, no more pickpocketing furnishings or plans. No more world drops. Just put every plan on the crown store. Then it could just be tied to your wallet. The way we have it now, while frustrating, is better.

The mode would defeat the purpose of the PVP zone, as others already mentioned. And I see ZOS is doing a lot to try to get players try different things. This master angler incentivises you to join a PVP area. There are other ways they promote the PVP side. As they do for different activities in PVE zones.

But if you want the achievement, you could
1. Build yourself a Cyrodiil Angler - https://eso-pvp-builds.com/cyrodiil-angler (due to where some rare fishing holes are, AD would be easiest, EP almost as easy)
The point of this build is to stay alive. Enemy comes, you buff, you heal and most importantly, you block. Enemies will try to kill you for a while, then they get bored and move on. You make yourself as annoying to kill as possible.

2. Try to go to an empty campaign, or a very busy campaign.
Empty campaign and you are less likely to come across with anyone. The downside is that if you do come across with an enemy, they are likely bored and killing someone who is fishing is more interesting than doing nothing. In a very busy campaign everyone is engaged in a battle, defending or attacking, and likely have no time for searching for fishers.

3. Fish during off-peak hours. Probably no one in Cyro then.

4. Deposit your telvars in the bank when you are in IC.

5. If a group roams one area of IC, go to another area. If they go around the IC, switch to a different campaign.

6. Switch between campaigns using the Cyro-IC trick. As in, if you are in Cyro, queue to IC, then queue to a different Cyro campaign. Or vice versa.

All these tips amount to overkill. Cyrodiil was the first zone I completed with fishing and I was also doing the dark anchors at the same time. Had combat only 4 times. Twice during dark anchors, one legitimate attack on me while fishing, and another was a sorc whose pets attacked me. And even then I waited for the sorc to put the pets away, and when he didn't I attacked the pets until he put them away. Then we fished side by side for a while. So basically just one actual, real attack when I was fishing.

Dying to a player is nothing more than a slight inconvenience that you have to travel to the fishing hole again. Even your gear doesn't take damage.

frogthroat wrote: »

The mode would defeat the purpose of the PVP zone, as others already mentioned. And I see ZOS is doing a lot to try to get players try different things. This master angler incentivises you to join a PVP area. There are other ways they promote the PVP side. As they do for different activities in PVE zones.

But if you want the achievement, you could
1. Build yourself a Cyrodiil Angler - https://eso-pvp-builds.com/cyrodiil-angler (due to where some rare fishing holes are, AD would be easiest, EP almost as easy)
The point of this build is to stay alive. Enemy comes, you buff, you heal and most importantly, you block. Enemies will try to kill you for a while, then they get bored and move on. You make yourself as annoying to kill as possible.

2. Try to go to an empty campaign, or a very busy campaign.
Empty campaign and you are less likely to come across with anyone. The downside is that if you do come across with an enemy, they are likely bored and killing someone who is fishing is more interesting than doing nothing. In a very busy campaign everyone is engaged in a battle, defending or attacking, and likely have no time for searching for fishers.

3. Fish during off-peak hours. Probably no one in Cyro then.

4. Deposit your telvars in the bank when you are in IC.

5. If a group roams one area of IC, go to another area. If they go around the IC, switch to a different campaign.

6. Switch between campaigns using the Cyro-IC trick. As in, if you are in Cyro, queue to IC, then queue to a different Cyro campaign. Or vice versa.

All these tips amount to overkill. Cyrodiil was the first zone I completed with fishing and I was also doing the dark anchors at the same time. Had combat only 4 times. Twice during dark anchors, one legitimate attack on me while fishing, and another was a sorc whose pets attacked me. And even then I waited for the sorc to put the pets away, and when he didn't I attacked the pets until he put them away. Then we fished side by side for a while. So basically just one actual, real attack when I was fishing.

Dying to a player is nothing more than a slight inconvenience that you have to travel to the fishing hole again. Even your gear doesn't take damage.

i play this game since 2015, the master angler i got years ago, with a covenant char, at this time the achievements were char-bound. its just the IC. there are a few fishing spots, as i said i need the cp-campaign because of the cp's for fishing and i dont mind about equipment repair kits (if you want i can give you some). the only thing i know from midyear mayham is: if youve got a ganker or a group from another alliance it takes time and the IC is 1 zone of 44 (if i counted right) and is terrible. thats why. ive got eso plus since i play and i know, get up at 2 in the morning and go fishing and also as i said, cyro is no problem, done it, its just the IC though i will get it, but its not necessary, noone forces people, interested in pvp to do a vet trial. and ive got the boat from kynes aegis, also the relevant sets for pve, so why do they force housing people into pvp?

aetherix8 wrote: »

Frankly, I fail to see what the problem is. You're not forced to PvP to get the IC fish, you just need to accept that another player might defeat you. Then you respawn and go fishing again.

Carry no tel var. Ignore pvpers. If anyone defeats you, stay cool like it doesn't affect you at all. That's all. That's how I did the achiv and if I had to repeat it, I would have done it in exactly the same way.

I went with my full PvE gear which isn't focused on mitigation / defenses at all. It was early afternoon here in the EU so there were some ppl playing already. I got one-shot a few times by some sorc but otherwise nobody bothered me. Sorc in question was just doing what the zone is intended for, without going out of their way to make it impossible for me to fish.

At that time, I was already playing PvP. I had a PvP setup, I just didn't bother using it. Why would I? Fishing already takes sooo long without a fight at each fishing hole. I just wanted to get done with it, and in my mind fighting for a fishing hole would not only add a lot of extra unnecessary time, but also, a fishing hole isn't exactly the kind of PvP objective that I consider worthy of fighting for.

PvP is already a tiny part of ESO, and there are already too few cool rewards tied to it. Please stop asking for removing the little that there is of an actual nice reward from PvP.

some friends are in pvp, i like them and support them mainly gold and mats, but: why there are no fishing achievments in battlegrounds? would be the same as IC
housing is also a small part of eso (i play this game since 2015 eso plus also, cause of elder scrolls, not because of pvp or sometthin else) and as i said before: cyro is no problem and its 1 zone of 44 (if i counted right) if there were 20 pvp zones i wouldnt do it and i know also a few friends, they do high end pve, vet trials, but they dont go to a pvp content, never. i dont want to force people to pve but i dont want to be forced to pvp. simple as that. if im in the ic (and ive got kynes aegis on veterinary mode) i get killed because i dont want to fight another player, it doesnt interest me. but i can revive instead in the alliance base. depends on time of the day and how many players are active. and its time robbery, im no ja'khajiit anymore

Servers can't handle a passive mode akin to GTA.

Should've had a possibility to have a white flag over your head, instead of alliance colors. But to get rid of that, you'd have to log out of Cyro.

Pretty much every player has some reward they *want* from an an activity they don't wanna do.

They're not going to make a special version of each aspect of the game based around each person's individual wants.

Even if zos were to, for the sake of argument, decide this is a high priority feature and bump it up to the front of the queue (ahead of tons of heavily requested features, some that are already being worked on) - given the usual turnaround time on development and new features being added, one might be looking at 9 months (u50) out or beyond. u48 is almost on PTS and is feature complete at this point. u49 is most likely deep into development already.

One would be better off just like... doing the fishing. Even going into IC and catching one fish a day, it wouldn't take that long. Or honestly, try contacting support and asking for the furnishing to be granted lol - they're not gonna do that either, but the chance is probably better than them spending any development time on this.

EDIT: Anyway, I just want to add that these are my opinions and I don't decide on features or development, so I'm not that one who needs to be convinced. Good luck!

ShutUpitsRed wrote: »

aza_sel wrote: »

at first i want to correct a typing error "and i just want that the devs do something for people who dont want to do pve" should be pvp instead of pve.

im a sister and no ja'khajiit anymore i dont mind about fishing as others do. but fishing requires some skills like patience, but it doesnt require pvp. yes by design and i understand that ZOS wants to make money, but why do they annoy people in that way? im not interested in playing tribute, so i dont do these achievements. the boat from kynes aegis ive got, and i buy at crown network housing items for gold. i dont mind to check urns or do dailies, got 91% of furnishing plans and bought a plan for 10 mio also. i dont mind about farming for furnishing mats. fishing there are 2 pvp zones out of 44 if i counted right, are the 5% necessary? if it would be the half or more id say i dont need it

You understand the game isn't about you and what you want, right? There are millions of other people playing this game, many of who play and enjoy PvP. It's frustrating that some content is a reward for activities you don't want to do but no offense, it's fishing. Many, many other achievements with desirable rewards are locked behind difficult PvE content a lot of people don't want to do; that's why carries exist. Pay a small PvP group to escort you for your fishing? Take the advice of the people in this thread, since fishing in PvP zones is usually pretty easy?

I should start a thread about making trial mounts available for tel var since I'm personally not interested in doing trials and don't want to waste my time slogging through robot mechanics and overstimulating arcanist/templar laser show.

its not the thing do pve or pvp, its just the housing content,and as far as i see, especially the event rewards the last time, zos is interested in people doing housing.
and i think its because: for housing you need eso plus you dont need it for pvp. also housing is a time robbery, so players are bound to the game, and as i said: get this 1 zone out of the achievment, or do something else.
i dont mind about the preferences of other players, good game, but i want also a good game for me.
and as i said: if the ic in fishing is 1 zone out of 44 (if i count it right) its not necessary to force people who arent interested into that content.
thats all

shadoza wrote: »

aza_sel wrote: »

Four_Fingers wrote: »

You mean take the housing achievements out of PvP.
Then you get the housing achievement, but no PvP achievements if you don't go and PvP.
I mean why would you want PvP achievements if you don't like PvP?

simply: if im interested in housing, im not interested in pvp.
if im interested in housing, as i said, im interested in getting the PVE achievements like dungeons or trials, get mats for housing, get furnishing plans and get gold
also: for housing you need eso-plus.
and: for the argonian house boat you need the Commemorative Master Angler
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Commemorative_Master_Angler
the master angler ive got a few, 8 years ago, the other zones are no problem, if you consider the time youre investing, but IC is a problem. cause i dont want to invest my time in resurrecting somewhere and go back to the fishing spot and resurrect somewhere and so on.

I agree with your take on doing non-fighting tasks in PvP zones. If the fights were one-on-one or if the fights were balanced, it would not be as serious. But groups get bonuses for being grouped /guild so one soul running alone trying to do non-PvP activities in those areas are subject to becoming kill-fodder for groups or over-powered attackers. There are dungeons, treasures, and quests inside the PvP zone that are not really PvP related.

Groups do not get bonuses for being grouped in IC. In fact, IC specifically incentivises you to not be in a group, or at least have as few members in your group as possible, since any Tel Var earned gets split amongst your group.

aza_sel wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

The mode would defeat the purpose of the PVP zone, as others already mentioned. And I see ZOS is doing a lot to try to get players try different things. This master angler incentivises you to join a PVP area. There are other ways they promote the PVP side. As they do for different activities in PVE zones.

But if you want the achievement, you could
1. Build yourself a Cyrodiil Angler - https://eso-pvp-builds.com/cyrodiil-angler (due to where some rare fishing holes are, AD would be easiest, EP almost as easy)
The point of this build is to stay alive. Enemy comes, you buff, you heal and most importantly, you block. Enemies will try to kill you for a while, then they get bored and move on. You make yourself as annoying to kill as possible.

2. Try to go to an empty campaign, or a very busy campaign.
Empty campaign and you are less likely to come across with anyone. The downside is that if you do come across with an enemy, they are likely bored and killing someone who is fishing is more interesting than doing nothing. In a very busy campaign everyone is engaged in a battle, defending or attacking, and likely have no time for searching for fishers.

3. Fish during off-peak hours. Probably no one in Cyro then.

4. Deposit your telvars in the bank when you are in IC.

5. If a group roams one area of IC, go to another area. If they go around the IC, switch to a different campaign.

6. Switch between campaigns using the Cyro-IC trick. As in, if you are in Cyro, queue to IC, then queue to a different Cyro campaign. Or vice versa.

All these tips amount to overkill. Cyrodiil was the first zone I completed with fishing and I was also doing the dark anchors at the same time. Had combat only 4 times. Twice during dark anchors, one legitimate attack on me while fishing, and another was a sorc whose pets attacked me. And even then I waited for the sorc to put the pets away, and when he didn't I attacked the pets until he put them away. Then we fished side by side for a while. So basically just one actual, real attack when I was fishing.

Dying to a player is nothing more than a slight inconvenience that you have to travel to the fishing hole again. Even your gear doesn't take damage.

noone forces people, interested in pvp to do a vet trial. and ive got the boat from kynes aegis, also the relevant sets for pve, so why do they force housing people into pvp?

No one is forcing you to do IC for housing though. You do not under any circumstances need to do IC to participate in housing; you want the reward.

Plenty of PvPers feel "forced" to do vet trials for BiS PvP sets like Perfected Null Arca, but the same thing applies to them. They do not need to do those Vet Trials; they want to do the Vet trials because the reward is good.

This is an MMO. The entire game is designed around FOMO. You are not forced to do anything. If you so strongly despise IC, don't go there and accept that you aren't going to get the reward you want from it. Or, participate in the content the zone offers as is.

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PvP rewards are gonna be PvP rewards and no amount of stamping your foot and demanding you get what you want without doing the necessary tasks to get it is gonna change that.
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CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

aza_sel wrote: »

Four_Fingers wrote: »

You mean take the housing achievements out of PvP.
Then you get the housing achievement, but no PvP achievements if you don't go and PvP.
I mean why would you want PvP achievements if you don't like PvP?

simply: if im interested in housing, im not interested in pvp.
if im interested in housing, as i said, im interested in getting the PVE achievements like dungeons or trials, get mats for housing, get furnishing plans and get gold
also: for housing you need eso-plus.
and: for the argonian house boat you need the Commemorative Master Angler
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Commemorative_Master_Angler
the master angler ive got a few, 8 years ago, the other zones are no problem, if you consider the time youre investing, but IC is a problem. cause i dont want to invest my time in resurrecting somewhere and go back to the fishing spot and resurrect somewhere and so on.

I agree with your take on doing non-fighting tasks in PvP zones. If the fights were one-on-one or if the fights were balanced, it would not be as serious. But groups get bonuses for being grouped /guild so one soul running alone trying to do non-PvP activities in those areas are subject to becoming kill-fodder for groups or over-powered attackers. There are dungeons, treasures, and quests inside the PvP zone that are not really PvP related.

Groups do not get bonuses for being grouped in IC. In fact, IC specifically incentivises you to not be in a group, or at least have as few members in your group as possible, since any Tel Var earned gets split amongst your group.

I did not specify; I said PVP.

ShutUpitsRed wrote: »

[snip]

PvP rewards are gonna be PvP rewards and no amount of stamping your foot and demanding you get what you want without doing the necessary tasks to get it is gonna change that.
[edited for baiting]

Are you suggesting that players should not come to the fora and argue their desires or opinions?

In general, it seems that each time some one comes to the fora to discuss an issue, desire, or point of pain, there are those accounts that want to attack, belittle, dismiss, or generally blow up those players. What is the point of having a fora if players do not feel free and comfortable making comments or expressing desires.

shadoza wrote: »

Chrisilis wrote: »

aza_sel wrote: »

ive got the master angler already, but for the other achievement, the Commemorative Master Angler (argonian house boat, housing) i need the IC, there are only a few fishing spots there.
though i level up sharp-as night to get the keepsake, im afraid that im the most time resurrecting somewhere. ok, ill get up in the night, my time 2 or 3 o clock, fishing in cyro was hard enough, but i have to go to the IC with champion points active.
or take the IC master angler out of this achievement. im not interested in PVP.
people who are interested in housing need at first eso-plus, furnishing plans and mats and gold to buy them.
ive seen now, the plan for the tide born sculpture coral is available for 1,4 millions. i dont know how much gold youve got, i can buy that plan easily but i dont want to support this. im occupied with get gold, get plans and get mats. thats exhausting enough. and also to get the achievements in PVE, to buy furniture.
thats why.

and believe me: its easier farming mats in PVE zones

Funny, I needed IC to get Commemorative Angler so I went there yesterday to fish. It was about 3 a.m. Eastern so it was pretty empty except for this one guy. There I was, peacefully minding my own business, and an EP player (Im DC) comes by and mercs me. He was a NB, I never saw him coming. And he kept doing it every twenty minutes or so for the entire time I was there. So you know what I did? I respawned and kept fishing. While most would agree what that guy did was kinda of a **** move that's the price of doing business in a PvP zone. Got IC Angler in about two hours with an Arteum Pickled Fish Bowl running. Going in in the off hours is a great idea and you can knock it out quick despite some ******* killing you every 20 minutes 😊

Not an option for people with jobs and family obligations.

My kids are grown and I'm on vacation. But yeah. if you're only choice is to go during peak hours you're probably gonna just have to get used to getting interrupted.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

aza_sel wrote: »

aetherix8 wrote: »

Frankly, I fail to see what the problem is. You're not forced to PvP to get the IC fish, you just need to accept that another player might defeat you. Then you respawn and go fishing again.

Carry no tel var. Ignore pvpers. If anyone defeats you, stay cool like it doesn't affect you at all. That's all. That's how I did the achiv and if I had to repeat it, I would have done it in exactly the same way.

I went with my full PvE gear which isn't focused on mitigation / defenses at all. It was early afternoon here in the EU so there were some ppl playing already. I got one-shot a few times by some sorc but otherwise nobody bothered me. Sorc in question was just doing what the zone is intended for, without going out of their way to make it impossible for me to fish.

At that time, I was already playing PvP. I had a PvP setup, I just didn't bother using it. Why would I? Fishing already takes sooo long without a fight at each fishing hole. I just wanted to get done with it, and in my mind fighting for a fishing hole would not only add a lot of extra unnecessary time, but also, a fishing hole isn't exactly the kind of PvP objective that I consider worthy of fighting for.

PvP is already a tiny part of ESO, and there are already too few cool rewards tied to it. Please stop asking for removing the little that there is of an actual nice reward from PvP.

some friends are in pvp, i like them and support them mainly gold and mats, but: why there are no fishing achievments in battlegrounds? would be the same as IC
housing is also a small part of eso (i play this game since 2015 eso plus also, cause of elder scrolls, not because of pvp or sometthin else) and as i said before: cyro is no problem and its 1 zone of 44 (if i counted right) if there were 20 pvp zones i wouldnt do it and i know also a few friends, they do high end pve, vet trials, but they dont go to a pvp content, never. i dont want to force people to pve but i dont want to be forced to pvp. simple as that. if im in the ic (and ive got kynes aegis on veterinary mode) i get killed because i dont want to fight another player, it doesnt interest me. but i can revive instead in the alliance base. depends on time of the day and how many players are active. and its time robbery, im no ja'khajiit anymore

There's no fishing in Battlegrounds because it's a temporary world with all players sharing the same goal. IC and Cyrodiil are full, permanently available zones with players of varying goals can interact. Everyone should be trying to capture the relic, for example, in BG. But someone in IC might be doing the quest while another hunts down sweepers and yet another lurks in the shadows to relieve the other two of their tel-var. All would be valid objectives.

ETA

If someone wanting a reward is forcing them to do stuff, the every reward in the game including all the ones you like are forcing someone to do something they don't want to do. I hate collecting surveys? Should surveys be removed from the game? Many PvP players hate PvE. Should PvE activities no longer drop leads?

There is no such thing as universally beloved activity. The devs don't go for 100% love because that is not achievable. Instead they try to make all content as fun and rewarding for players who enjoy that type of content as possible. This means sometimes you'll want a reward from content you don't particularly enjoy. You just need to skip the prize or do the content. You're not being forced or punished by not receiving the reward for completing a task that you were unwilling to do.

the IC is a battleground, ok, bigger. and as isaid: i support friends, doing pvp, with gold and mats though i could say, do your boring crafting writs. and as i said also: it wouldnt matter to me if the pvp zones would be more or at least 50% of the zones you need for the achievement, like tribute: i dont do it. and as i said also: ive got the boat from kynes aegis, i know enough friends, hey lets do the dungeon 1 time, so i can buy stuff at the undaunted quartermaster.
and for the dev's and ZOS: they make their money or living, because öf people who buy the game or, in case of housing, pay eso-plus.
for pvp you dont need eso-plus.
my point is: everyone should have: a warm, soft and cozy sleeping place and a full food bowl and if i dont mind that, in case of my khajiit, i have to face a wet bed, cause she pees me down.
got that?