amiiegee wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

dk_dunkirk wrote: »

By the time they'd get around to releasing crossplay, they'd have time to align whatever it is you're referring to. I mean, adding mods to consoles is really a first, GIANT step towards crossplay, if we're being honest, and that's already up and running well, from what I can tell.

Add-ons for consoles has no effect on what they will do about duplicate names, which is a very big consideration.

As stated multiple times before in the thread. They can add platform symbols to the name. Other games are doing it like this too.

Your names will be safe, im sure

Also as stated, ESO uses a different architecture than other MMOs. No other MMO runs on a megaserver architecture, they run on a series of shards that allow transfers between them.

Icons are a perfect solution to account name conflicts, but character names could be weird when you see them in dialogue or lorebooks with your character saying “Hi, my name is Naryu Virian💻🇪🇺 and I live in Mournhold.”

People are nervous about this because name conflicts are not allowed on the same server, and if all six megaservers are simply merged into one, then that issue would present itself.

The best solution would be to first disassociate character names from everything so players can have the same character names. Who cares if there are 15 characters of the same name of they all have different account names? And those can easily get icons.

amiiegee wrote: »

It wont be more immersion breaking then the alliance ranks symbols. Because its literally not more. A little icon.

And maybe thats gonna be a off toggleable option and if not im sure someone is gonna make a addon for that

I don't see alliance rank symbols on other players.

SilverBride wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

It wont be more immersion breaking then the alliance ranks symbols. Because its literally not more. A little icon.

And maybe thats gonna be a off toggleable option and if not im sure someone is gonna make a addon for that

I don't see alliance rank symbols on other players.

They are part of the base game and next to every name.

Idk if its a setting or addon toggling that off for you, but i can imagine something like that can be possible for players of other plattforms too.

freespirit wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

It wont be more immersion breaking then the alliance ranks symbols. Because its literally not more. A little icon.

And maybe thats gonna be a off toggleable option and if not im sure someone is gonna make a addon for that

I don't see alliance rank symbols on other players.

I do see them and having quickly checked all my settings I don't see a base game way of turning those off.

Maybe you have an addon doing it?

Might be so basegame that they are overseeing them. But they are there 😬 I know that because i worked hard for my grand overlord.

SilverBride wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

It wont be more immersion breaking then the alliance ranks symbols. Because its literally not more. A little icon.

And maybe thats gonna be a off toggleable option and if not im sure someone is gonna make a addon for that

I don't see alliance rank symbols on other players.

They are part of the base game and next to every name.

Idk if its a setting or addon toggling that off for you, but i can imagine something like that can be possible for players of other plattforms too.

I looked at it is a setting that I was not even aware of. Mine is set to Enemy so I guess I would only see it in Cyrodiil or battlegrounds?

I dont mean the alliance icons tho, i mean the ranks.

The ranks have different symbols wich change with you doing pvp.

At the begin its some sort of square and later it goes on to be a strar, two stars etc till its a circle of stars.

Everyone has these

SilverBride wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

I dont mean the alliance icons tho, i mean the ranks.

The ranks have different symbols wich change with you doing pvp.

At the begin its some sort of square and later it goes on to be a strar, two stars etc till its a circle of stars.

Everyone has these

Well if it only shows while doing PvP then that explains why I never noticed them. I will go to Cyrodiil today and see if I see these.

Its to see outside of pvp too.
There are icons next to your name, the alliance and the alliance rank

amiiegee wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

I dont mean the alliance icons tho, i mean the ranks.

The ranks have different symbols wich change with you doing pvp.

At the begin its some sort of square and later it goes on to be a strar, two stars etc till its a circle of stars.

Everyone has these

Well if it only shows while doing PvP then that explains why I never noticed them. I will go to Cyrodiil today and see if I see these.

Its to see outside of pvp too.
There are icons next to your name, the alliance and the alliance rank

I don't see anything like this and never have in all my years of playing.

freespirit wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

I dont mean the alliance icons tho, i mean the ranks.

The ranks have different symbols wich change with you doing pvp.

At the begin its some sort of square and later it goes on to be a strar, two stars etc till its a circle of stars.

Everyone has these

Well if it only shows while doing PvP then that explains why I never noticed them. I will go to Cyrodiil today and see if I see these.

Either way, I rarely PvP so I am not used to seeing such things next to player's names in the PvE zones where I spend most of my time. So they would definitely stand out to me as something new and different.

In PVE land when you mouse over a player, you see their cp level, their name and on the right their alliance rank and by colour their alliance as Amilegee showed above

And now imagine there couldt be a mini icon - maybe toggle off able , showing the platform where the players is playing on. Problem solved.


Im sure there are more on the list

amiiegee wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

dk_dunkirk wrote: »

By the time they'd get around to releasing crossplay, they'd have time to align whatever it is you're referring to. I mean, adding mods to consoles is really a first, GIANT step towards crossplay, if we're being honest, and that's already up and running well, from what I can tell.

Add-ons for consoles has no effect on what they will do about duplicate names, which is a very big consideration.

As stated multiple times before in the thread. They can add platform symbols to the name. Other games are doing it like this too.

Your names will be safe, im sure

Also as stated, ESO uses a different architecture than other MMOs. No other MMO runs on a megaserver architecture, they run on a series of shards that allow transfers between them.

Icons are a perfect solution to account name conflicts, but character names could be weird when you see them in dialogue or lorebooks with your character saying “Hi, my name is Naryu Virian💻🇪🇺 and I live in Mournhold.”

People are nervous about this because name conflicts are not allowed on the same server, and if all six megaservers are simply merged into one, then that issue would present itself.

The best solution would be to first disassociate character names from everything so players can have the same character names. Who cares if there are 15 characters of the same name of they all have different account names? And those can easily get icons.

I doubt they are gonna put all 6 servers into one.

Zos has not given any informations about that all.

Its simply to early to have all these disscusions yet imo

At best it would be 2. You still can't combine US and EU. The speed of light is not changing any time soon, and you can't force half the user base into cross-oceanic lag, whichever side of the pond you would put a single server.

In a new, combined-platform-future, it would be awesome if they offered a third option for PAC. I've seen a lot of requests for that on here over the years.

freespirit wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

In PVE land when you mouse over a player, you see their cp level, their name and on the right their alliance rank and by colour their alliance as Amilegee showed above

When mousing over! That explains a lot.

It is extremely rare that I ever mouse over another player and I had not even noticed this before.

Therefore it would be safe to say that you would likely not notice an extra icon signifying platform yes?

Very possible. But we don't know if they would choose an icon when mousing over or make players actually change their character names.

amiiegee wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

dk_dunkirk wrote: »

By the time they'd get around to releasing crossplay, they'd have time to align whatever it is you're referring to. I mean, adding mods to consoles is really a first, GIANT step towards crossplay, if we're being honest, and that's already up and running well, from what I can tell.

Add-ons for consoles has no effect on what they will do about duplicate names, which is a very big consideration.

As stated multiple times before in the thread. They can add platform symbols to the name. Other games are doing it like this too.

Your names will be safe, im sure

Also as stated, ESO uses a different architecture than other MMOs. No other MMO runs on a megaserver architecture, they run on a series of shards that allow transfers between them.

Icons are a perfect solution to account name conflicts, but character names could be weird when you see them in dialogue or lorebooks with your character saying “Hi, my name is Naryu Virian💻🇪🇺 and I live in Mournhold.”

People are nervous about this because name conflicts are not allowed on the same server, and if all six megaservers are simply merged into one, then that issue would present itself.

The best solution would be to first disassociate character names from everything so players can have the same character names. Who cares if there are 15 characters of the same name of they all have different account names? And those can easily get icons.

Zos has not given any informations about that all.

Its simply to early to have all these disscusions yet imo

I mean... character IDs are one of the first things that need to be sorted when you're talking about merges.

But the solution that would solve pretty well everyone's problems would be just to have the character name not be part of the internal ID. In real life people can have the same names, so just let characters be able to have the same names in the same area as well.

Currently, if you're contacting a player (sending a mail, whisper, etc.), you can use either the character name or the player's account name as the contact. That's why no two characters on the same server can share a name at present. If they redid that so that character names no longer needed to be unique, then all communication between players could just go through account name (and those could get a suffix for the original server), while leaving character names intact.

Heck, I'd like that restriction removed for more reasons than just that. I have one character who I'm still salty since I had to add something after his name since his original name was taken, and another who I tried to remake my first ever character who I deleted, but in the time between me deleting my first ever character and remaking him someone took his name. I'd love to fix both of those, and then there wouldn't be an issue to have repeated names.

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Surely the main consideration is whether Microsoft consider Crossplay to be financially viable.

The game does function adequately on the 3/6 different servers. So MS would be looking at whether the rather significant time & cost that would need to be done to enable crossplay would mean increased profit - increased by a pretty decent amount to ensure that the investment was worthwhile.

And I’m not sure it would be.

I doubt Zos would work on it, if thats the case. Maybe they see some potential in it you can not see?
But if i remember correctly you also claimed the population on PS EU was fine, so im not suprised.

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Surely the main consideration is whether Microsoft consider Crossplay to be financially viable.

The game does function adequately on the 3/6 different servers. So MS would be looking at whether the rather significant time & cost that would need to be done to enable crossplay would mean increased profit - increased by a pretty decent amount to ensure that the investment was worthwhile.

And I’m not sure it would be.

I doubt Zos would work on it, if thats the case. Maybe they see some potential in it you can not see?
But if i remember correctly you also claimed the population on PS EU was fine, so im not suprised.

It’s not up to Zos, it’s up to Microsoft. They are a business and profit is the only thing that matters. See their recent actions.

And my experience of PSEU has no effect on this fact, so lovely that you tried to dismiss it because I have a different perspective on the population than you.

The recent actions have not effected the ZOS Team working on ESO opposite from they are fully focusing on ESO now.
Blackbird got canceled and they are planning to keep the game running for 30y now. So yes they are gonna invest in ESO now i guess.

Perspectives are fine as long you dont try to sell them as facts. About the population there were so many evidences and you was just like ''noup that´s not true, i seen people at deshaan'' , sort of thing

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Surely the main consideration is whether Microsoft consider Crossplay to be financially viable.

The game does function adequately on the 3/6 different servers. So MS would be looking at whether the rather significant time & cost that would need to be done to enable crossplay would mean increased profit - increased by a pretty decent amount to ensure that the investment was worthwhile.

And I’m not sure it would be.

I doubt Zos would work on it, if thats the case. Maybe they see some potential in it you can not see?
But if i remember correctly you also claimed the population on PS EU was fine, so im not suprised.

It’s not up to Zos, it’s up to Microsoft. They are a business and profit is the only thing that matters. See their recent actions.

And my experience of PSEU has no effect on this fact, so lovely that you tried to dismiss it because I have a different perspective on the population than you.

The recent actions have not effected the ZOS Team working on ESO opposite from they are fully focusing on ESO now.
Blackbird got canceled and they are planning to keep the game running for 30y now. So yes they are gonna invest in ESO now i guess.

Perspectives are fine as long you dont try to sell them as facts. About the population there were so many evidences and you was just like ''noup that´s not true, i seen people at deshaan'' , sort of thing

It has been stated elsewhere that the layoffs have affected the ESO team.

Keeping the game running on 3/6 servers as it has been for 10 years or so which brings MS a decent profit, is not the same as investing a quite considerable sum to bring about crossplay which is a risk and may not be as financially beneficial as hoped. That will be the key thing - it is for any business - and that will be why the cost/benefit analysis is the most important thing, not what players want. That is a fact, even if you think otherwise.

And it may be that MS consider it viable. But I’m not so sure that crossplay would increase their profits to the extent that it is a worthwhile investment.

And your evidence about populations was, like mine, anecdotal. I obviously have a very different experience in game to you.

I think crossplay actually does make sense business wise when u look at the long run, not just like “what’s it cost right now.” yeah they’d have to invest upfront but the payback comes in a bunch of ways.

first off, ppl stick around longer if they can play with their friends no matter the platform. nobody wants to be stuck on a “dead” server or locked cuz their friends are on xbox/pc/ps. more ppl staying subbed, buying crowns, all that = more $$$.

also it keeps the game from lookin empty over time. Splitting ppl across diff servers/console pops makes zones feel empty eventually, which is what kills MMOs. Crossplay makes one big healthy community = longer game life. longer life = longer cash flow.

Bigger population also means more guilds, more events, more ppl actually spending on cosmetics/houses etc. happy players spend more. simple as.

And tbh crossplay is becoming standard now. tons of games got it. not having it just makes ESO look old n out of touch, esp when MS is pushing Game Pass hard n wants ESO as a big MMO in their lineup.

So yeah, profit matters ofc, but crossplay isn’t just some “feel good” thing, it’s a long term investment that makes the game last longer, brings in more money, and keeps ESO relevant.

Also its confirmed now they are working on it. Not they are looking if its worth it - its saying they are working on it with a team

So we would have way more players on the same server but the same amount of trader locations for trade guilds to compete for. How would they handle this?