Cross Save / Cross Platform / Cross Play coming?

amiiegee

I heared rumors and seen comments under youtube videos, about the cross options are planned and worked on.
Can Zos canfirm this maybe? Or is that something to be topic potentially on the Quake Con? Aswell i have seen people referencing to the new studio head´s statement, where he said there will be big changes:


Could it be finally happening ? I would be happy to be able to play with my friends on xbox and pc, after all these years.

MJallday

cross play between console and pc as it is right now, would be horrific.
it would be vastly advantageous to everyone on pc.

console to console would probably be ok (eg xbox > ps)
na to eu would also be ok

as to whether it will happen - i think its still a "possibly" rather than a "definite"

Maitsukas

Just because ZOS said they were looking if it is possible (with no additional updates since then), doesn't mean it is confirmed to be coming any time soon. It is a huge mess to deal with as I have mentioned in previous threads:

1. What to merge, the regions or platforms? If both EU & NA are merged, then depending on where the servers physically are located (Texas for NA, Germany for EU), most players are forced to deal with an increased latency (as if the OCE/SEA players don't have enough already). And are Sony and Microsoft willing to cooperate to make a platform merger possible (since MS basically refused to do that during the PS3/XB360 era)?

2. Shared character names on different accounts and servers. Who gets to keep the name, someone who had it longer or someone who manages to log in first, forcing the other player(s) to use a name change on their character(s)?

3. Shared guild names on different servers. There is no way to change the guild names without disbanding them.

4. Character cap for multi-platform players. Is doubling or tripling the limit a solution considering the many cuts (guild trader sale times, mail expiry times causing to take nearly Exabytes (from what I read somewhere once) of space (1 EB = 1000 TB = 1 000 000 GB) they had to make to improve performance over the years?

5. Housing projects potentially getting erased if someone creates something in Grand Psijic Villa on one server, but completely different in the same house on another server.

Elsonso

amiiegee wrote: »

I heared rumors and seen comments under youtube videos, about the cross options are planned and worked on.
Can Zos canfirm this maybe? Or is that something to be topic potentially on the Quake Con? Aswell i have seen people referencing to the new studio head´s statement, where he said there will be big changes:


Could it be finally happening ? I would be happy to be able to play with my friends on xbox and pc, after all these years.

This is just a more enthusiastic version of what Firor used to say. It is a "say nothing", just with more enthusiasm.

The "big changes" could mean anything, and may not even be something that a majority of players are interested in. They consider it to be big, and it is a change, and that is about all the statement says.

Could it be crossplay? Possibly. Likely within the geography, if it is done. We know they are interested in the idea, but not if they are interested enough to make it happen. They did do console addons, which could be seen as a precursor. Personally, I think that the disruption from this will be massive and inconvenient. A decade of being separated will not be easy to reconcile cleanly. I would want them to hide all that complexity behind the scenes, with no forced name changes (account, character, guild) and no indication of what megaserver people are playing on.

Could it be cross save to allow jumping platforms? Maybe within the XBox eco-system for players to play on either console or PC with the same account? I think that console addons are an indication that this is not happening.

licenturion

For ‘Big changes for Tamriel’ I am hoping more for overland difficulty settings or a revamp of all the base game zones and armours. Something we all benefit from.

Not something niche that only touches a subset of players.

Also if they implement this, I hope this is an opt in toggle, like most games seem to do these days.

Didn’t you already make other threads about cross play before?

XSTRONG

"Big changes" One thing I learned when playing Eso and reading announcements from Zos is that they really like to talk big about new stuff they add to the game but when the day actually comes when its time for them to dilever it dont live up to it.

Infintie Archive are one of very few things they made really good even tho it needs a few fixes now when its been in game for some time.

nbksaske

I'd love to have cross save, just like Destiny 2.

And character names/account names wouldn't be an issue, just add an invisible #1234 number next to each account/character name - dave#7, Queen of Auridon#17373 for example.

fufu_from_ps4

MJallday wrote: »

cross play between console and pc as it is right now, would be horrific.
it would be vastly advantageous to everyone on pc.

console to console would probably be ok (eg xbox > ps)
na to eu would also be ok

as to whether it will happen - i think its still a "possibly" rather than a "definite"

honestly.... as long as you get gamepad accelerator you will probably be fine.

thats assuming that you wont be lagged out. i noticed when i played on console, that when i had a ps4 vs ps5 they were parsing me while i couldnt cast during laggy fights. ps5 wasnt much better, but during lag it ran slightly better which was a HUGE advantage) i assume it will be like for pc vs ps5... pc vs ps4 lol... which i mean... you might as well keep us seperate if thats the case.

valenwood_vegan

Maitsukas wrote: »

Just because ZOS said they were looking if it is possible (with no additional updates since then), doesn't mean it is confirmed to be coming any time soon.

This is worth repeating for emphasis. They've said various versions of "we're looking into it", "we're working to see if it's possible", "we know people want it and we'd like to do it". This does not mean crossplay is confirmed to be happening in the next (Q4) update, or even in the next year. I mean I could say the same thing Matt says below, about putting humans on mars - "We're working on the underlying technology to make it possible".

See this video around the 25:00 mark for a recent discussion.

I wouldn't get too excited until something more tangible is confirmed, it could still be a long wait, or it could fail to materialize. I'm not going to drag the studio through the mud, but I will say there's some history of things being worked on and then quietly being abandoned. And they've just gone through a major shakeup. I mean at least in the video clip I shared, I felt like Matt seemed fairly optimistic about it... but also keep in mind that he's now gone.

redlink1979

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/680214/will-crossplay-be-the-last-chance-to-save-this-game-for-console-players/p1

ArchMikem

Cross Play is a decision between Microsoft and Sony. Cross Saves i highly doubt. ZOS already explained to us how account transfers alone are impossible with their current database tech. Each platform has its own separate database, how would you be able to link one account from one database to another and then make it save on both as you play on either platform?

Why would you even want to play musical chairs between Xbox, Playstation, and PC? Unless you really are talking about straight account transfers.

fizzybeef

I would not have to high hopes for this to come soon. Event thought i would like it.

fufu_from_ps4

ArchMikem wrote: »

Cross Play is a decision between Microsoft and Sony. Cross Saves i highly doubt. ZOS already explained to us how account transfers alone are impossible with their current database tech. Each platform has its own separate database, how would you be able to link one account from one database to another and then make it save on both as you play on either platform?

Why would you even want to play musical chairs between Xbox, Playstation, and PC? Unless you really are talking about straight account transfers.

they are able to do transfers, they did them when the game first released on consoles. you could transfer your pc account to the console servers. i beleive the issue is player names or somthing which is why they hesitate to offer it as a service.

MJallday

fufu_from_ps4 wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

cross play between console and pc as it is right now, would be horrific.
it would be vastly advantageous to everyone on pc.

console to console would probably be ok (eg xbox > ps)
na to eu would also be ok

as to whether it will happen - i think its still a "possibly" rather than a "definite"

honestly.... as long as you get gamepad accelerator you will probably be fine.

thats assuming that you wont be lagged out. i noticed when i played on console, that when i had a ps4 vs ps5 they were parsing me while i couldnt cast during laggy fights. ps5 wasnt much better, but during lag it ran slightly better which was a HUGE advantage) i assume it will be like for pc vs ps5... pc vs ps4 lol... which i mean... you might as well keep us seperate if thats the case.

my worry would be more the inputs and add ons.

one QOL they could introudce fairly easily is to fully enable keyboard and mouse entry on console. whilst it works for chat - its not a big leap to make it so worked like PC (and xbox and PS already support this)

MGRza

Maitsukas wrote: »

Just because ZOS said they were looking if it is possible (with no additional updates since then), doesn't mean it is confirmed to be coming any time soon. It is a huge mess to deal with as I have mentioned in previous threads:

1. What to merge, the regions or platforms? If both EU & NA are merged, then depending on where the servers physically are located (Texas for NA, Germany for EU), most players are forced to deal with an increased latency (as if the OCE/SEA players don't have enough already). And are Sony and Microsoft willing to cooperate to make a platform merger possible (since MS basically refused to do that during the PS3/XB360 era)?

2. Shared character names on different accounts and servers. Who gets to keep the name, someone who had it longer or someone who manages to log in first, forcing the other player(s) to use a name change on their character(s)?

3. Shared guild names on different servers. There is no way to change the guild names without disbanding them.

4. Character cap for multi-platform players. Is doubling or tripling the limit a solution considering the many cuts (guild trader sale times, mail expiry times causing to take nearly Exabytes (from what I read somewhere once) of space (1 EB = 1000 TB = 1 000 000 GB) they had to make to improve performance over the years?

5. Housing projects potentially getting erased if someone creates something in Grand Psijic Villa on one server, but completely different in the same house on another server.

Yeah, there are some big things to consider; however, guild names can be changed, but you have to create a support ticket for it though. There is a specific category for that.

Tandor

fufu_from_ps4 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Cross Play is a decision between Microsoft and Sony. Cross Saves i highly doubt. ZOS already explained to us how account transfers alone are impossible with their current database tech. Each platform has its own separate database, how would you be able to link one account from one database to another and then make it save on both as you play on either platform?

Why would you even want to play musical chairs between Xbox, Playstation, and PC? Unless you really are talking about straight account transfers.

they are able to do transfers, they did them when the game first released on consoles. you could transfer your pc account to the console servers. i beleive the issue is player names or somthing which is why they hesitate to offer it as a service.

No, they are only able to transfer a full database to an empty database. That's why the transfer to console was possible, as the console servers were empty at launch of the console version. It's also why they have to wipe one regional server database off the PTS before they can transfer the other regional server database onto it.

The software enabling merging of full server databases (or transfers of individual characters) doesn't exist at the moment, and while ZOS are sympathetic to the idea they are only currently looking into the viability of doing it. With Matt Firor gone along with a third of the staff the likelihood of this being prioritised is probably very low.

MJallday

Its a time vs costs vs effort against benefit thing.

time = high
cost = high
effort = high

benefit = low

the only reason do actully do this is to make the worlds feel "fuller" - but actually it would cause more problems. lag, latency (where would you even put the servers) , difference in operability, add ins.

theres very little financial gain to ZOS / Microsoft in doing this - so it'll get canned for that reason - IMO - Microsoft are about revenue generation - this isnt it.

amiiegee

MJallday wrote: »

Its a time vs costs vs effort against benefit thing.

time = high
cost = high
effort = high

benefit = low

the only reason do actully do this is to make the worlds feel "fuller" - but actually it would cause more problems. lag, latency (where would you even put the servers) , difference in operability, add ins.

theres very little financial gain to ZOS / Microsoft in doing this - so it'll get canned for that reason - IMO - Microsoft are about revenue generation - this isnt it.

No i dont think its just a low benefit thing tbh. Yesit takes time and money but the game would feel fuller because ppl would actually come back. Like, those on servers that feel kinda unpopulated rn would have way more activity, which means they’d prob play more. And more ppl online = more time spent ingame = more $$ spent on subs, crowns, whatever.

Plus, its not just about “feeling fuller”, it keeps ppl from quitting in the first place. Unpopulated servers make ppl log off for good. Busy servers keep ppl hooked. Youre probably from PC so you dont know the struggle yet, but some servers do. The lag/latency stuff could be managed like any other mmo with crossplay, its not impossible.

So imo its not just about the cost right now, its about the long term player retention + money they’d make if ppl stick around instead of bailing. feels like short sighted thinking to just go “nah, high cost, forget it”

MJallday

amiiegee wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

Its a time vs costs vs effort against benefit thing.

time = high
cost = high
effort = high

benefit = low

the only reason do actully do this is to make the worlds feel "fuller" - but actually it would cause more problems. lag, latency (where would you even put the servers) , difference in operability, add ins.

theres very little financial gain to ZOS / Microsoft in doing this - so it'll get canned for that reason - IMO - Microsoft are about revenue generation - this isnt it.

No i dont think its just a low benefit thing tbh. Yesit takes time and money but the game would feel fuller because ppl would actually come back. Like, those on servers that feel kinda unpopulated rn would have way more activity, which means they’d prob play more. And more ppl online = more time spent ingame = more $$ spent on subs, crowns, whatever.

Plus, its not just about “feeling fuller”, it keeps ppl from quitting in the first place. Unpopulated servers make ppl log off for good. Busy servers keep ppl hooked. Youre probably from PC so you dont know the struggle yet, but some servers do. The lag/latency stuff could be managed like any other mmo with crossplay, its not impossible.

So imo its not just about the cost right now, its about the long term player retention + money they’d make if ppl stick around instead of bailing. feels like short sighted thinking to just go “nah, high cost, forget it”

Would the servers feel fuller? i dont see how you can make that statement
crossplay doesnt mean "whacking all the servers together" - it means theres compatibilty between platforms

(im actually xbox based not pc) - and yes id love move people in the world... but i dont see how this would do it... unless you were to compact the servers. thats not crossplay.

but even if you DID compact the servers, lets just say you bought together NA and EU - then you'd introduce more issues - lag being one.

i take your point, that busy servers keep people hooked - absolutely. but would this bring additional revenue generation? i cant see it. all you'd do is consolidate what you have... not bring in new.

fufu_from_ps4

Tandor wrote: »

fufu_from_ps4 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Cross Play is a decision between Microsoft and Sony. Cross Saves i highly doubt. ZOS already explained to us how account transfers alone are impossible with their current database tech. Each platform has its own separate database, how would you be able to link one account from one database to another and then make it save on both as you play on either platform?

Why would you even want to play musical chairs between Xbox, Playstation, and PC? Unless you really are talking about straight account transfers.

they are able to do transfers, they did them when the game first released on consoles. you could transfer your pc account to the console servers. i beleive the issue is player names or somthing which is why they hesitate to offer it as a service.

No, they are only able to transfer a full database to an empty database. That's why the transfer to console was possible, as the console servers were empty at launch of the console version. It's also why they have to wipe one regional server database off the PTS before they can transfer the other regional server database onto it.

The software enabling merging of full server databases (or transfers of individual characters) doesn't exist at the moment, and while ZOS are sympathetic to the idea they are only currently looking into the viability of doing it. With Matt Firor gone along with a third of the staff the likelihood of this being prioritised is probably very low.

you literally said they could, then made up reasons they could not.

they CAN do it bro.

Tandor

fufu_from_ps4 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

fufu_from_ps4 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Cross Play is a decision between Microsoft and Sony. Cross Saves i highly doubt. ZOS already explained to us how account transfers alone are impossible with their current database tech. Each platform has its own separate database, how would you be able to link one account from one database to another and then make it save on both as you play on either platform?

Why would you even want to play musical chairs between Xbox, Playstation, and PC? Unless you really are talking about straight account transfers.

they are able to do transfers, they did them when the game first released on consoles. you could transfer your pc account to the console servers. i beleive the issue is player names or somthing which is why they hesitate to offer it as a service.

No, they are only able to transfer a full database to an empty database. That's why the transfer to console was possible, as the console servers were empty at launch of the console version. It's also why they have to wipe one regional server database off the PTS before they can transfer the other regional server database onto it.

The software enabling merging of full server databases (or transfers of individual characters) doesn't exist at the moment, and while ZOS are sympathetic to the idea they are only currently looking into the viability of doing it. With Matt Firor gone along with a third of the staff the likelihood of this being prioritised is probably very low.

you literally said they could, then made up reasons they could not.

they CAN do it bro.

I suggest you read my comment again. I did not literally say they could, I said they can only handle transfers to an empty database, which is what they did at console launch, but which would not apply today. Even today, they still have to wipe one region's database on PTS before they can transfer the other region's database to it. I'm not making anything up, it's why the PTS is switched between the regional servers - NA for 2 or 3 weeks, then EU for 2 or 3 weeks, as they can't both be on PTS at the same time. ZOS have made this very clear for a long time now.

Kwik1

Tandor wrote: »

fufu_from_ps4 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Cross Play is a decision between Microsoft and Sony. Cross Saves i highly doubt. ZOS already explained to us how account transfers alone are impossible with their current database tech. Each platform has its own separate database, how would you be able to link one account from one database to another and then make it save on both as you play on either platform?

Why would you even want to play musical chairs between Xbox, Playstation, and PC? Unless you really are talking about straight account transfers.

they are able to do transfers, they did them when the game first released on consoles. you could transfer your pc account to the console servers. i beleive the issue is player names or somthing which is why they hesitate to offer it as a service.

No, they are only able to transfer a full database to an empty database. That's why the transfer to console was possible, as the console servers were empty at launch of the console version. It's also why they have to wipe one regional server database off the PTS before they can transfer the other regional server database onto it.

The software enabling merging of full server databases (or transfers of individual characters) doesn't exist at the moment, and while ZOS are sympathetic to the idea they are only currently looking into the viability of doing it. With Matt Firor gone along with a third of the staff the likelihood of this being prioritised is probably very low.

The game was already running when they did xbox to PC transfers, but they did state it would be a 1 time thing and would not do it again.

It had nothing to do with a full server to empty server, they transferred from xbox servers already populated to pc servers that were already populated.

ESO_player123

Kwik1 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

fufu_from_ps4 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Cross Play is a decision between Microsoft and Sony. Cross Saves i highly doubt. ZOS already explained to us how account transfers alone are impossible with their current database tech. Each platform has its own separate database, how would you be able to link one account from one database to another and then make it save on both as you play on either platform?

Why would you even want to play musical chairs between Xbox, Playstation, and PC? Unless you really are talking about straight account transfers.

they are able to do transfers, they did them when the game first released on consoles. you could transfer your pc account to the console servers. i beleive the issue is player names or somthing which is why they hesitate to offer it as a service.

No, they are only able to transfer a full database to an empty database. That's why the transfer to console was possible, as the console servers were empty at launch of the console version. It's also why they have to wipe one regional server database off the PTS before they can transfer the other regional server database onto it.

The software enabling merging of full server databases (or transfers of individual characters) doesn't exist at the moment, and while ZOS are sympathetic to the idea they are only currently looking into the viability of doing it. With Matt Firor gone along with a third of the staff the likelihood of this being prioritised is probably very low.

The game was already running when they did xbox to PC transfers, but they did state it would be a 1 time thing and would not do it again.

It had nothing to do with a full server to empty server, they transferred from xbox servers already populated to pc servers that were already populated.

Transfer from XP to PC server? When did they do that?

freespirit

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Kwik1 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

fufu_from_ps4 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Cross Play is a decision between Microsoft and Sony. Cross Saves i highly doubt. ZOS already explained to us how account transfers alone are impossible with their current database tech. Each platform has its own separate database, how would you be able to link one account from one database to another and then make it save on both as you play on either platform?

Why would you even want to play musical chairs between Xbox, Playstation, and PC? Unless you really are talking about straight account transfers.

they are able to do transfers, they did them when the game first released on consoles. you could transfer your pc account to the console servers. i beleive the issue is player names or somthing which is why they hesitate to offer it as a service.

No, they are only able to transfer a full database to an empty database. That's why the transfer to console was possible, as the console servers were empty at launch of the console version. It's also why they have to wipe one regional server database off the PTS before they can transfer the other regional server database onto it.

The software enabling merging of full server databases (or transfers of individual characters) doesn't exist at the moment, and while ZOS are sympathetic to the idea they are only currently looking into the viability of doing it. With Matt Firor gone along with a third of the staff the likelihood of this being prioritised is probably very low.

The game was already running when they did xbox to PC transfers, but they did state it would be a 1 time thing and would not do it again.

It had nothing to do with a full server to empty server, they transferred from xbox servers already populated to pc servers that were already populated.

Transfer from XP to PC server? When did they do that?

Erm never?

ESO_player123

freespirit wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Kwik1 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

fufu_from_ps4 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Cross Play is a decision between Microsoft and Sony. Cross Saves i highly doubt. ZOS already explained to us how account transfers alone are impossible with their current database tech. Each platform has its own separate database, how would you be able to link one account from one database to another and then make it save on both as you play on either platform?

Why would you even want to play musical chairs between Xbox, Playstation, and PC? Unless you really are talking about straight account transfers.

they are able to do transfers, they did them when the game first released on consoles. you could transfer your pc account to the console servers. i beleive the issue is player names or somthing which is why they hesitate to offer it as a service.

No, they are only able to transfer a full database to an empty database. That's why the transfer to console was possible, as the console servers were empty at launch of the console version. It's also why they have to wipe one regional server database off the PTS before they can transfer the other regional server database onto it.

The software enabling merging of full server databases (or transfers of individual characters) doesn't exist at the moment, and while ZOS are sympathetic to the idea they are only currently looking into the viability of doing it. With Matt Firor gone along with a third of the staff the likelihood of this being prioritised is probably very low.

The game was already running when they did xbox to PC transfers, but they did state it would be a 1 time thing and would not do it again.

It had nothing to do with a full server to empty server, they transferred from xbox servers already populated to pc servers that were already populated.

Transfer from XP to PC server? When did they do that?

Erm never?

I have the same feeling, but may be I was wrong. Hence the question.

freespirit

ESO_player123 wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Kwik1 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

fufu_from_ps4 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Cross Play is a decision between Microsoft and Sony. Cross Saves i highly doubt. ZOS already explained to us how account transfers alone are impossible with their current database tech. Each platform has its own separate database, how would you be able to link one account from one database to another and then make it save on both as you play on either platform?

Why would you even want to play musical chairs between Xbox, Playstation, and PC? Unless you really are talking about straight account transfers.

they are able to do transfers, they did them when the game first released on consoles. you could transfer your pc account to the console servers. i beleive the issue is player names or somthing which is why they hesitate to offer it as a service.

No, they are only able to transfer a full database to an empty database. That's why the transfer to console was possible, as the console servers were empty at launch of the console version. It's also why they have to wipe one regional server database off the PTS before they can transfer the other regional server database onto it.

The software enabling merging of full server databases (or transfers of individual characters) doesn't exist at the moment, and while ZOS are sympathetic to the idea they are only currently looking into the viability of doing it. With Matt Firor gone along with a third of the staff the likelihood of this being prioritised is probably very low.

The game was already running when they did xbox to PC transfers, but they did state it would be a 1 time thing and would not do it again.

It had nothing to do with a full server to empty server, they transferred from xbox servers already populated to pc servers that were already populated.

Transfer from XP to PC server? When did they do that?

Erm never?

I have the same feeling, but may be I was wrong. Hence the question.

The only transfers they ever did afaik were from PC to Consoles when Consoles finally released ESO(Consoles released a year later than PC, it was delayed a couple of times and released June 2015).

ESO_player123

freespirit wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

Kwik1 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

fufu_from_ps4 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Cross Play is a decision between Microsoft and Sony. Cross Saves i highly doubt. ZOS already explained to us how account transfers alone are impossible with their current database tech. Each platform has its own separate database, how would you be able to link one account from one database to another and then make it save on both as you play on either platform?

Why would you even want to play musical chairs between Xbox, Playstation, and PC? Unless you really are talking about straight account transfers.

they are able to do transfers, they did them when the game first released on consoles. you could transfer your pc account to the console servers. i beleive the issue is player names or somthing which is why they hesitate to offer it as a service.

No, they are only able to transfer a full database to an empty database. That's why the transfer to console was possible, as the console servers were empty at launch of the console version. It's also why they have to wipe one regional server database off the PTS before they can transfer the other regional server database onto it.

The software enabling merging of full server databases (or transfers of individual characters) doesn't exist at the moment, and while ZOS are sympathetic to the idea they are only currently looking into the viability of doing it. With Matt Firor gone along with a third of the staff the likelihood of this being prioritised is probably very low.

The game was already running when they did xbox to PC transfers, but they did state it would be a 1 time thing and would not do it again.

It had nothing to do with a full server to empty server, they transferred from xbox servers already populated to pc servers that were already populated.

Transfer from XP to PC server? When did they do that?

Erm never?

I have the same feeling, but may be I was wrong. Hence the question.

The only transfers they ever did afaik were from PC to Consoles when Consoles finally released ESO(Consoles released a year later than PC, it was delayed a couple of times and released June 2015).

That's what I thought as well. I hope the poster that claimed otherwise will come and clarify the issue.

valenwood_vegan

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/#en/answer/25807



Maybe this will help clear things up.

I really just don't get the folks who always show up in these threads to argue with other forum users about this stuff. It's zos' own words. If some don't wanna believe zos, that's between them and zos, but I assure y'all that no one on the forums can magically flip the secret hidden crossplay / server transfer switch that zos is allegedly hiding from us, nor is anyone here preventing them from working on crossplay (which they have stated they're trying to do).

kargen27

Maitsukas wrote: »

Just because ZOS said they were looking if it is possible (with no additional updates since then), doesn't mean it is confirmed to be coming any time soon. It is a huge mess to deal with as I have mentioned in previous threads:

1. What to merge, the regions or platforms? If both EU & NA are merged, then depending on where the servers physically are located (Texas for NA, Germany for EU), most players are forced to deal with an increased latency (as if the OCE/SEA players don't have enough already). And are Sony and Microsoft willing to cooperate to make a platform merger possible (since MS basically refused to do that during the PS3/XB360 era)?

2. Shared character names on different accounts and servers. Who gets to keep the name, someone who had it longer or someone who manages to log in first, forcing the other player(s) to use a name change on their character(s)?

3. Shared guild names on different servers. There is no way to change the guild names without disbanding them.

4. Character cap for multi-platform players. Is doubling or tripling the limit a solution considering the many cuts (guild trader sale times, mail expiry times causing to take nearly Exabytes (from what I read somewhere once) of space (1 EB = 1000 TB = 1 000 000 GB) they had to make to improve performance over the years?

5. Housing projects potentially getting erased if someone creates something in Grand Psijic Villa on one server, but completely different in the same house on another server.

Would also have to deal with economies. Being able to purchase cheap goods on one server then list them for higher prices on the other server would wreak havoc on the economies for a good long while if we were able to transfer items. The economy may eventually find equilibrium but it would but brutal for a while.

amiiegee

kargen27 wrote: »

Maitsukas wrote: »

Just because ZOS said they were looking if it is possible (with no additional updates since then), doesn't mean it is confirmed to be coming any time soon. It is a huge mess to deal with as I have mentioned in previous threads:

1. What to merge, the regions or platforms? If both EU & NA are merged, then depending on where the servers physically are located (Texas for NA, Germany for EU), most players are forced to deal with an increased latency (as if the OCE/SEA players don't have enough already). And are Sony and Microsoft willing to cooperate to make a platform merger possible (since MS basically refused to do that during the PS3/XB360 era)?

2. Shared character names on different accounts and servers. Who gets to keep the name, someone who had it longer or someone who manages to log in first, forcing the other player(s) to use a name change on their character(s)?

3. Shared guild names on different servers. There is no way to change the guild names without disbanding them.

4. Character cap for multi-platform players. Is doubling or tripling the limit a solution considering the many cuts (guild trader sale times, mail expiry times causing to take nearly Exabytes (from what I read somewhere once) of space (1 EB = 1000 TB = 1 000 000 GB) they had to make to improve performance over the years?

5. Housing projects potentially getting erased if someone creates something in Grand Psijic Villa on one server, but completely different in the same house on another server.

Would also have to deal with economies. Being able to purchase cheap goods on one server then list them for higher prices on the other server would wreak havoc on the economies for a good long while if we were able to transfer items. The economy may eventually find equilibrium but it would but brutal for a while.

The economy would kinda fix itself wouldnt it? But also maybe there are ways to help like stable prices idk

DenverRalphy

amiiegee wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Maitsukas wrote: »

Just because ZOS said they were looking if it is possible (with no additional updates since then), doesn't mean it is confirmed to be coming any time soon. It is a huge mess to deal with as I have mentioned in previous threads:

1. What to merge, the regions or platforms? If both EU & NA are merged, then depending on where the servers physically are located (Texas for NA, Germany for EU), most players are forced to deal with an increased latency (as if the OCE/SEA players don't have enough already). And are Sony and Microsoft willing to cooperate to make a platform merger possible (since MS basically refused to do that during the PS3/XB360 era)?

2. Shared character names on different accounts and servers. Who gets to keep the name, someone who had it longer or someone who manages to log in first, forcing the other player(s) to use a name change on their character(s)?

3. Shared guild names on different servers. There is no way to change the guild names without disbanding them.

4. Character cap for multi-platform players. Is doubling or tripling the limit a solution considering the many cuts (guild trader sale times, mail expiry times causing to take nearly Exabytes (from what I read somewhere once) of space (1 EB = 1000 TB = 1 000 000 GB) they had to make to improve performance over the years?

5. Housing projects potentially getting erased if someone creates something in Grand Psijic Villa on one server, but completely different in the same house on another server.

Would also have to deal with economies. Being able to purchase cheap goods on one server then list them for higher prices on the other server would wreak havoc on the economies for a good long while if we were able to transfer items. The economy may eventually find equilibrium but it would but brutal for a while.

The economy would kinda fix itself wouldnt it? But also maybe there are ways to help like stable prices idk

It would balance out, and then continue to sway the direction the largest population had already done to their own economy. Servers with better economies will get degraded, while servers with the worst reap a beneifit. As someone who's experienced both PC and PS economies, and now a premanent PSNA player, I know I wouldn't like it very much.