Maxxermax wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

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I’m saying a bug could inadvertently allow the visitor to access the owner’s chests instead.

Would you say a bug could inadvertently allow the visitor to access the homeowner's bank instead if there is a banker in the house?

Bankers work one way and storage chests another. You want storage chests to be like bankers. Bankers are located throughout Tamriel, storage chests are specific to houses.

My house is my house. I don’t want others bringing in their stuff. I don’t even have bankers or merchants out in my houses.

There is absolutely no reason why you should be able to access something that is in your house while in mine.

I seriously doubt there's any technical limitation.

It's probably just a design decision. Bank space is limited because it adds the inventory management aspect to the game. Every MMO, heck every RPG, utilizes various forms of inventory management. This is nothing new.

So when storage chests were added, to prevent them from doing too much damage to the inventory management aspect they added an element that in effect makes them Long Term Storage. You're not supposed to be able to access your storage from anywhere willy nilly, as that would defeat the purpose. If they were to make them accessible from any players house, that would only serve to diminish that design structure (which of course is why players ask for it).

Storage chests are intended to be long term storage. Store the stuff you don't access frequently. Want quick access to your gear? Put your gear in the bank, not storage.

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Storage chests are intended to be long term storage. Store the stuff you don't access frequently. Want quick access to your gear? Put your gear in the bank, not storage.

I partly agree.

I use my large chests for long term storage of armor, jewelry, weapons and Companion gear. I only have these large chests placed in a handful of houses, mostly for decoration as I rarely have to access them.

However I use my small chests frequently throughout the day. I have all my characters dump the items they get from doing daily writs in them to all be deconstructed and sold by just one character. One chest holds surveys and maps for that character to gather. And one chest for master writs so my character that does those can gather and complete them all for the day.

Maxxermax wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Maxxermax wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

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I’m saying a bug could inadvertently allow the visitor to access the owner’s chests instead.

Would you say a bug could inadvertently allow the visitor to access the homeowner's bank instead if there is a banker in the house?

Bankers work one way and storage chests another. You want storage chests to be like bankers. Bankers are located throughout Tamriel, storage chests are specific to houses.

My house is my house. I don’t want others bringing in their stuff. I don’t even have bankers or merchants out in my houses.

There is absolutely no reason why you should be able to access something that is in your house while in mine.

... bringing in their stuff ... ???

SilverBride wrote: »

It's not just friends that can enter our houses, especially if we use EHT open houses or are listed on Home Tours. That is reason enough not to do it.

...I give up on you guys...these aren't real physical chests and they don't behave like them...why don't you understand?

Guild houses aren’t a special type of house as far as housing goes. They are just a player house that allows other people to do crafting and parse against training dummies. Players who have “guild houses” invite others to use their houses for various purposes as a guild. In both cases, the player who owns the house has invested a lot of gold and crowns into the furnishings there, especially if they have full crafting tables. The amount of actual interaction with the objects in the house (I think) is meant to be minimal.

In the past, we had a problem where somehow others got decorator permissions for houses that they shouldn’t have had, and some player’s houses got trashed. Perhaps you aren’t intimately familiar with the decorating process and don’t know it might take hundreds of hours just to place everything right where you want it. We don’t want something like that to happen again. For instance, losing golded out top level gear would be devastating to players if a storage chest pointed to the wrong player.

Let me summarize.

pros
- Functionality: The chests would also serve a purpose for visitors
- Practical: You could now also store your belongings in guild houses and when visiting friends
- Time savings: No more multiple porting to your own home and the guild house

cons
- Security concerns: A bug could grant access to the homeowner's chests.
- Privacy: No one should tamper with my chests!
- Immersion: Why should someone have access to the contents of my chests?

Are the pros justified?
- Functionality: meh, who needs a purpose!
- Practical: Why should you sort and store something on a visit?
- Time savings: This 20 sec max. you should have, right.

Are the cons justified?
- Security concerns: Is there a scenario in which a bug makes it possible to access the contents of other players' dedicated chests at all? > A programmer would have to answer that.
- Privacy: You can set privacy via the permissions in the house menu. (No access, Restricted, etc.)
- Immersion: Well... just don't use it and don't think about the possibility that others might?

Maxxermax wrote: »

Let me summarize.

pros
- Functionality: The chests would also serve a purpose for visitors
- Practical: You could now also store your belongings in guild houses and when visiting friends
- Time savings: No more multiple porting to your own home and the guild house

cons
- Security concerns: A bug could grant access to the homeowner's chests.
- Privacy: No one should tamper with my chests!
- Immersion: Why should someone have access to the contents of my chests?

Are the pros justified?
- Functionality: meh, who needs a purpose!
- Practical: Why should you sort and store something on a visit?
- Time savings: This 20 sec max. you should have, right.

Are the cons justified?
- Security concerns: Is there a scenario in which a bug makes it possible to access the contents of other players' dedicated chests at all? > A programmer would have to answer that.
- Privacy: You can set privacy via the permissions in the house menu. (No access, Restricted, etc.)
- Immersion: Well... just don't use it and don't think about the possibility that others might?

I just shared an example above where permissions were somehow changed without the owner’s permission so it is a valid concern. I suppose you are just going to ignore that precedent.

The risk is not worth it when the other player can just prepare before visiting. The time savings is not a valid reason.

I do like the idea of just removing all chests to prevent any potential problems, so that is what I would do. How helpful would that be for you? Then it would not be worth the devs time to implement.

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

What are players keeping in their housing chests that they need to access them from other players' houses? How much time do players even spend in other players' houses? I really can't see a reason to ever have to do this.

For me its gear that is need to improve or really good drops that save me on transmutes.

Stuff on storage boxes cant accidentally be deconstructed if I forget to lock the items.

But why do these things need to be accessed in another player's house?

SilverBride wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

What are players keeping in their housing chests that they need to access them from other players' houses? How much time do players even spend in other players' houses? I really can't see a reason to ever have to do this.

For me its gear that is need to improve or really good drops that save me on transmutes.

Stuff on storage boxes cant accidentally be deconstructed if I forget to lock the items.

But why do these things need to be accessed in another player's house?

Really? Still don't get it? Guild House. Houses that where chosen from guild members to be a house for the purpose of a guild.

Maxxermax wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I just shared an example above where permissions were somehow changed without the owner’s permission so it is a valid concern. I suppose you are just going to ignore that precedent.

Where you share that example?

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I do like the idea of just removing all chests to prevent any potential problems, so that is what I would do. How helpful would that be for you? Then it would not be worth the devs time to implement.

You can remove all the chests from your houses if that makes you feel better, no problem.
It's not about your house.
You're not the center of the universe.

There are other houses of players in the guild that have been chosen as guild houses and decorated for this purpose.

I am the center of the universe in my house. It is all about my house because it is my house. I don’t think you get it. Do you have any houses that you have decorated and fully stocked?

It’s not about you either. If you can’t be inconvenienced to bring everything you need with you, you can just port back and get what you need and return. You can use my crafting stations but you need to bring your own stuff with you.

I can guarantee you that those who have taken the time to stock a “guild house” with all attunables and Mundus stones and trial dummies don’t want to compromise their stuff either.