The PvPers that I've seen in the Gray Host campaign during this WSM event have been staying in Cyrodiil for several hours at a time, although the number of PvPers from any given alliance seems to rise and fall throughout the day-- sometimes at 1 bar for hours, then going up to pop-locked for hours, then eventually back down to 1 bar.

I suspect that the PvE players who are doing town dailies for 2 tickets are leaving as soon as they get however many event coffers they're wanting to get, which might not be that many since some of the potential rewards are PvP-related (repair kits, siege equipment, etc.). That means there could be a larger turnout than is readily apparent if the population of PvE players is spread out through the day and night.

For me personally while I have enjoyed some time in PVP in ESO this event just is NOT it. I always felt like it brought out the worst type of "PVP" players who just want to gank poeple doing the PVE quests during it. Not to mention the performance always seemed to tank during the event.. so for the past few years when I see Midyear Mayhem I don't even bother to login at all.

MincMincMinc wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

The PvPers that I've seen in the Gray Host campaign during this WSM event have been staying in Cyrodiil for several hours at a time, although the number of PvPers from any given alliance seems to rise and fall throughout the day-- sometimes at 1 bar for hours, then going up to pop-locked for hours, then eventually back down to 1 bar.

I suspect that the PvE players who are doing town dailies for 2 tickets are leaving as soon as they get however many event coffers they're wanting to get, which might not be that many since some of the potential rewards are PvP-related (repair kits, siege equipment, etc.). That means there could be a larger turnout than is readily apparent if the population of PvE players is spread out through the day and night.

Maybe a PVP event should......you know.......give rewards for PVPing?

The tone of your comment makes it sound like you think you're.... you know.... expressing an opinion contradictory to mine. Except.... let me check.... nope, I never said that I think otherwise, or implied that I think otherwise. As a matter of fact, I'm enjoying the PvP-related rewards, and wish there were more of them-- forward camps, rams, repair kits, trebuchets, ballistae, catapults, oil pots, alliance potions, and field rations (food and drink). Personally, I'd gladly swap out the chance of getting Tel Var Stones and Transmute Crystals in the event coffers for a higher chance of getting useful PvP items.

But my point is that non-PvP players don't have as much of a reason to farm the event coffers as PvP players do, and I think it's possible that the amount of participation in the extra campaigns might not be accurately reflected by the number of bars.

To use an analogy, consider two restaurants. The parking lot of one restaurant is filled with so many cars that there's no room for any more people to park-- and even if they could, they couldn't get in, anyway, because all of the tables are full. In contrast, the parking lot of the other restaurant appears to be nearly deserted, with only one or two cars. Which restaurant do you think is doing more business?

My point is, you can't tell by looking at the number of cars in the parking lot at a given moment in time, because that doesn't correlate to the number of peoplebeing served over the course of the day. The first restaurant might have the same group of people sitting there all day long, whereas the second restaurant might have a steady flow of people all day long who come in to pick up their orders and then leave right away. The empty-looking second restaurant might be selling 100 times as many meals over the course of the day as the restaurant that's packed with the same group of people all day.

I don't know how many players are passing through each of the campaigns during the event, but we can't tell just by looking at how many bars each alliance has.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

If you want to do Cyrodiil town dailies without harassment, for your own sake do not queue into Gray Host. Pick one of the empty campaigns where no one is doing any PvP.

Seriously! There's dead campaigns, make use of them.

I've been away for almost a year. PvP hasn't changed and is simply kinda boring. Same ball groups that have unlimited shields and heals. Same cheddar sets that force meta builds. The Vengeance experiment showed what changes are needed to get the general ESO pop to engage with PvP. ZoS knows the right path forward, but if the past is anything to go by, they'll fall off the path, tumble into some thorny bushes, get robbed by bandits, head down a tunnel, lose half the team to a spider daedra that looks uncannily like Phil Spencer and end up miles away from where they were.

What I find funny every MyM, people complain when they get killed in PvP. But instead of going into one of the extra campaigns, they log into BR or GH. Yes these campaigns are full but people who are not just there for the event also play there. I had to switch to one of those campaigns last time because GH had a queue. The people who played there were almost exclusively those who normally played in GH or BR. Conversely, this means that the home campaigns were full of people complaining about the PvP in PvP

So if I just want the tickets, I would go to one of the other camps where nothing is going on. It would also be much easier, but then you have to actively turn castles or take res and can't just stand there.

on the MYM front. after vengeance , being pulled from once side of the map to another like a ping pong ball then collosus dumped by ball groups is no longer any fun for me.

RoA killed the fun, Ball groups havent been countered. thats what killed MYM . its that simple.

MJallday wrote: »

Gigglez wrote: »

Subclassing I can't level up no skill points.
12 or so toons, played 10yrs.
Have all sub class levelled but in order to actually use on most of my toons I don't have enough skill points to subclass.
The double point cost is stopping me from adjusting them.
If you don't adjust you can't compete.
I have 2 that I can use and have been a bit but really pisses me off I can't use the other ten until I replay them for many hours to get skill points. That is really bad desicion.

i have 14 toons on EU. 6 on NA

when they annouced it was going to be double for subclassing, which was basically 6 months ago... i made sure i had enough skill points. it took a couple of weeks, but basically, i replayed zones, killed group bosses , went skyshard hunting.

there was more than enough time to prepare for this. you appear not to have. thats on you.

Not everyone has the same amount of time to play.

I'm still not done with all chars and subclassing. I love the system, great tool for those like me who build thematically and still squeeze out performance. And since PvE is my focus, setting up a PvP Build simply hasn't been the priority. It certainly won't be with the next patch in a few weeks likely altering key skill lines, either.

And I didn't even have to fetch more skill points for most of them. I do agree the double skill points requirement is rather arbitrary.

ApoAlaia wrote: »

MJallday wrote: »

on the MYM front. after vengeance , being pulled from once side of the map to another like a ping pong ball then collosus dumped by ball groups is no longer any fun for me.

RoA killed the fun, Ball groups havent been countered. thats what killed MYM . its that simple.

I can see how RoA is really unpleasant if you want to PvP but for PvD the playstyle is quite tolerable.

Players seem to have finally wised up, ignore these groups when they turn up and spread out.

There were a couple of these RoA+Colossus parties following us everywhere yesterday and they were just a minor inconvenience.

Res the few scattered people they caught and move on to the next objective.

Bombers had a field day tho, but that is part of the charm of Mayhem

Without bombers to break the monotony it would just be a tedious stream of doors and flags.

im lucky enough to run in a pvp guild - we dont run as a BG, but we run as a group of friends... so yes, we do as you say and avoid the BG's - or hack at them (somewhat ineffectually) from a distance. it is good fun when you get a stun on their healer though - tends to stop them in their tracks... when you have the same few players , you get to know who they are - so you can target them.. we tend to just go somewhere else tbh and return when they get bored. the BG's get annoyed when theres noone to kill.

Evil_Rurouni wrote: »

One word:

Multiclassing.

Many dedicated PvP players won't have finished leveling up their new Multiclass PvP builds yet so aren't taking part as much or at all.
A great many more people who usually don't play PvP outside of events won't have even thought about designing a Multiclass PvP build and were caught completly unprepared.
Others will have decided that its just not worth the effort of leveling a Multiclass PvP build just for events.
Other players are playing ESO itself less or not at all for a few patch cycles while waiting for the Multiclass Meta's to stabilise, so there's less players around to start with.

There'll also be plenty of people who expect PvP to be an absolute train wreck of busted OP Multiclass PvP build like how PvE's DPS is and just gone "lolNOPE!".

Honestly, I have a different take on this post.

Because I know for a fact the hardcore dedicated PVP players ground their tails off leveling up subclasses to be ahead of the curve in PVP. 3 days after Subclass came out, we were seeing people on DK's or NB's running beatles from Warden, or templars using Sorc abilities, etc. So I know for a fact that most of the hardcore PVPers were on it leveling up their subclasses. But I do believe subclassing plays a part as to why the event turnout was low. The reasons for it?

1) Server performance. It has been particularly bad this event, and while it is probably not the ONLY culprit, I can't help but suspect that as Zos continues to make changes and "upgrades" to this game without upgrading their engine and server, performance continues to degrade.

And

2) Right now, with subclassing, damage is so disgustingly high that PVE players and casual PVP players don't stand a chance against the hardcore PVP players. I'm not going to toot my own horn, but I know that I have seen small groups of 4-6 who are nigh unkillable because of the subclassing changes allow them to literally have it all - tankiness, survivability, sustain, and burst - with zero downside. I'm a regular PVP player and sometimes it can get frustrating, and so I can only imagine how the less dedicated PVP players feel about the situation.

Pvp in general has become extremely stale. Nothing new in Cyrodiil for years, so is it any surprise? The Rushing Agony/collosus meta also doesn't help, 90% of players running the same few sets, whilst subclassing has been interesting, the sets problem remains the same.

Q was 120 this evening for PC/NA Grey Host around 7pm ET ... yea low turnout.

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

Evil_Rurouni wrote: »

One word:

Multiclassing.

Many dedicated PvP players won't have finished leveling up their new Multiclass PvP builds yet so aren't taking part as much or at all.
A great many more people who usually don't play PvP outside of events won't have even thought about designing a Multiclass PvP build and were caught completly unprepared.
Others will have decided that its just not worth the effort of leveling a Multiclass PvP build just for events.
Other players are playing ESO itself less or not at all for a few patch cycles while waiting for the Multiclass Meta's to stabilise, so there's less players around to start with.

There'll also be plenty of people who expect PvP to be an absolute train wreck of busted OP Multiclass PvP build like how PvE's DPS is and just gone "lolNOPE!".

Honestly, I have a different take on this post.

Because I know for a fact the hardcore dedicated PVP players ground their tails off leveling up subclasses to be ahead of the curve in PVP. 3 days after Subclass came out, we were seeing people on DK's or NB's running beatles from Warden, or templars using Sorc abilities, etc. So I know for a fact that most of the hardcore PVPers were on it leveling up their subclasses. But I do believe subclassing plays a part as to why the event turnout was low. The reasons for it?

1) Server performance. It has been particularly bad this event, and while it is probably not the ONLY culprit, I can't help but suspect that as Zos continues to make changes and "upgrades" to this game without upgrading their engine and server, performance continues to degrade.

And

2) Right now, with subclassing, damage is so disgustingly high that PVE players and casual PVP players don't stand a chance against the hardcore PVP players. I'm not going to toot my own horn, but I know that I have seen small groups of 4-6 who are nigh unkillable because of the subclassing changes allow them to literally have it all - tankiness, survivability, sustain, and burst - with zero downside. I'm a regular PVP player and sometimes it can get frustrating, and so I can only imagine how the less dedicated PVP players feel about the situation.

A few aspiring daily active PvP elitists excited for subclassing already theory crafted their builds on PTS and could finish them in 3 days if they played all day.
Players opposing subclassing were not that eager to level subclassing and return to subclassing pvp with many quitting.
Less active PvPer take longer to level subclassing.
Inactive PvPer returning for MidyearMayham notice short before that their pureclass build cant compete anymore and have to level subclassing.
Players getting their builds from contentcreator had to wait for build to get published like eso-pvp-builds website only publishing builds the day MYM starts and none for Dragonknight.

I find it extremly hard to believe that is is PvErs clogging cyro. The queue is 2+ hours long. There is zero chance people are coming in to this 2 hour queue to get their tickets and dip.

Something else is going on. I want ZoS to do a deep dive and figure out who has been in here the longest. I guarantee you they will find people being in Cyro for over 24 hours straight. And if you look at the "active" time (or more than the light attack every 30 seconds) I promise you it will be almost 0.

There is an insane amount of people I'm seeing run afk macros. This problem has been compounding for years and honestly - it's time Zos puts an end to it.

Between getting stuck in queue (seriously how has this issue not been fixed yet) and then the afk people... this event has been a joke to play in. Spend 2 hours in queue, get in.. and theres 1 fight in 3 hours. I'm leaving cyro at the end of 3 hours with maybe 50k ap. I used to leave with over 400k.

queues are 2 - 3 hrs unless i log in the afternoon which i can't do, the other campaigns are dead and/or full of questers which makes them boring.

At least in vengeance,, I didn't have to wait a long time to get in.

This event is lame.